# 47% video source interviewed Wednesday **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [March 13, 2013, 1:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/47-video-source-interviewed-wednesday/652780 "2013-03-13T01:47:33Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Bravo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_bravo/32/493_2.png) [@Johnny\_Bravo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Bravo)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2013, 2:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/47-video-source-interviewed-wednesday/652780/21 "2013-03-14T14:07:38Z")
The laws vary by state - does anyone know where the fundraiser took place? ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2013, 2:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/47-video-source-interviewed-wednesday/652780/22 "2013-03-14T14:19:29Z")
> [@Johnny\_Bravo](#): > > The laws vary by state - does anyone know where the fundraiser took place? Florida, as I recall. And I’m confused. What role did Jimmy Carter’s grandson play? I thought he was involved. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2013, 2:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/47-video-source-interviewed-wednesday/652780/23 "2013-03-14T14:26:13Z")
> [@davidm](#): > > Thinking about it, I’m not so sure there will be much of a smear campaign at all, given that the election is over and Romney is dead politically. It wouldn’t be about defending Romney. It would be about attacking the supposed double standards of the liberal media. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Bravo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_bravo/32/493_2.png) [@Johnny\_Bravo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Bravo)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2013, 2:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/47-video-source-interviewed-wednesday/652780/24 "2013-03-14T14:28:08Z")
From what I recall, Carter found a clip of the event on YouTube and hunted down the poster, convincing him to give the entire video to Mother Jones. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2013, 2:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/47-video-source-interviewed-wednesday/652780/25 "2013-03-14T14:42:59Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > More than anyone else, this guy kept us safe from Romney. > [@Oedipus](#): > > Say what you want, that video CHANGED the election more than any Obama speech ever could. [Not really.](http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/09/28/sept-27-the-impact-of-the-47-percent/) Romney was losing when the tape came out, although it did hurt him. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2013, 2:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/47-video-source-interviewed-wednesday/652780/26 "2013-03-14T14:52:39Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > [Not really.](http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/09/28/sept-27-the-impact-of-the-47-percent/) Romney was losing when the tape came out, although it did hurt him. Agreed. Romney saved us from Romney. He just never connected with the voters, and probably wasn’t capable of doing so. He ran a mediocre campaign, got really desperate at the end, and picked a running mate who generated more controversy than interest. Plus, the GOP is really far behind on using technology in the campaign process. The NYT Sunday Magazine had a great cover article on this a few weeks ago. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Bravo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_bravo/32/493_2.png) [@Johnny\_Bravo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Bravo)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2013, 2:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/47-video-source-interviewed-wednesday/652780/27 "2013-03-14T14:54:48Z")
IANAL, but I believe that in Florida (my state) you can’t make a recording at a private event without everyone’s consent. Even a public figure has a right to privacy in a private setting. ---
**Author:** ![sachertorte](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sachertorte/32/3727_2.png) [@sachertorte](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sachertorte)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2013, 3:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/47-video-source-interviewed-wednesday/652780/28 "2013-03-14T15:10:02Z")
> [@Johnny\_Bravo](#): > > IANAL, but I believe that in Florida (my state) you can’t make a recording at a private event without everyone’s consent. Even a public figure has a right to privacy in a private setting. I would hope that he and those who support him would have consulted a lawyer before going public. ---
**Author:** ![davidm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidm/32/225_2.png) [@davidm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/davidm)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2013, 4:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/47-video-source-interviewed-wednesday/652780/29 "2013-03-14T16:30:36Z")
Leroy Fletcher Prouty served as Chief of Special Operations for the Joint Chiefs of Staff under President John F. Kennedy. > **[L. Fletcher Prouty](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L._Fletcher_Prouty)** > > Leroy Fletcher Prouty (January 24, 1917 – June 5, 2001) served as Chief of Special Operations for the Joint Chiefs of Staff under President John F. Kennedy. A colonel in the United States Air Force, he retired from military service to become a bank executive. He subsequently became a critic of U.S. foreign policy, particularly the covert activities of the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA), which he believed was working on behalf of a secret world elite. > Prouty's commentary on the Kennedy assass... Now check out these two pictures. Scott Prouty [![](http://i0.wp.com/www.eurweb.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/scott-prouty-screen-grab.jpg) ](http://i0.wp.com/www.eurweb.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/scott-prouty-screen-grab.jpg) L. Fletcher Prouty [![](http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/Cowen/warhero/images/prouty.jpg) ](http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/Cowen/warhero/images/prouty.jpg) Anyone else think there’s a resemblance? ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2013, 4:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/47-video-source-interviewed-wednesday/652780/30 "2013-03-14T16:40:09Z")
> [@Johnny\_Bravo](#): > > IANAL, but I believe that in Florida (my state) you can’t make a recording at a private event without everyone’s consent. That’s what I’ve read. That said, and I think I said this several times last year, it’s ridiculous how many political events are “private” these days, and to that end I’d be happy if a lot more people did what Prouty did. It’s sickening to read day after day about presidential and congressional strategy ad campaign events where the press is barred or thrown out because the candidates don’t want to talk about their plans or opinions in front of the press. They want to say one thing to their backers and donors and another to the rest of the public. > [@John\_Mace](#): > > Agreed. Romney saved us from Romney. He just never connected with the voters, and probably wasn’t capable of doing so. He ran a mediocre campaign, got really desperate at the end, and picked a running mate who generated more controversy than interest. And all of that took place in a campaign where he was in a disadvantaged position from the start. He needed some luck and an excellent campaign to win; at best he did OK and lost by about as much as might’ve been expected. ---
**Author:** ![Kepler1571](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/db5fbb/32.png) [@Kepler1571](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kepler1571)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2013, 5:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/47-video-source-interviewed-wednesday/652780/31 "2013-03-14T17:33:57Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > Agreed. Romney saved us from Romney. He just never connected with the voters, and probably wasn’t capable of doing so. He ran a mediocre campaign, got really desperate at the end, and picked a running mate who generated more controversy than interest. He would have won had the economy tanked. It didn’t. He didn’t. I don’t think Ryan was a poor choice. Given the socio-pathology of the GOP, was there a better option? At least he was not a walking joke like Saint Joan of Wasilla. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2013, 5:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/47-video-source-interviewed-wednesday/652780/32 "2013-03-14T17:35:53Z")
I miss poster **adaher**. He could have popped into this thread and told us why Romney actually won the election based on his calculations. Seems to have disappeared from these forums sometime last November for some reason… ---
**Author:** ![Simplicio](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c37758/32.png) [@Simplicio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Simplicio)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2013, 5:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/47-video-source-interviewed-wednesday/652780/33 "2013-03-14T17:46:53Z")
> [@Kepler1571](#): > > I don’t think Ryan was a poor choice. Given the socio-pathology of the GOP, was there a better option? At least he was not a walking joke like Saint Joan of Wasilla. Well, he was certainly better then Palin. But he was still a dumb choice. Ryan was strongly associated with the House and its leadership, which at the time (and still) is probably the least popular institution in the country. And choosing him strongly attached Romney to Ryan’s budget plan, with its tax-cuts for the rich, large Medicare and Medicaid cuts, etc. Also, it was obviously a choice meant to appeal to the GOP base. At that point in the campaign Romney really should’ve been trying to move to the center. When he finally did start moderating (in the first debate), his poll numbers shot up. But by then it was too little to late. Obviously Romney wasn’t going to chose a liberal running mate, but he didn’t need to choose someone so closely tied to the GOP’s agenda. Plus Ryan was kinda meh as a campaigner. Say what you will about Palin, she at least brought something to the campaign and went all in on the attack-dog role. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2013, 6:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/47-video-source-interviewed-wednesday/652780/34 "2013-03-14T18:00:27Z")
> [@Kepler1571](#): > > He would have won had the economy tanked. It didn’t. He didn’t. I still think the elections was his (or a generic GOP candidate’s) to lose. The economy was pretty damn bad. Romney just wasn’t a good candidate. And he wasn’t helped much by his fellow politicians on the right who demonstrated that they had their feet firmly planted in the Middle Ages. > [@](#): > > I don’t think Ryan was a poor choice. Given the socio-pathology of the GOP, was there a better option? At least he was not a walking joke like Saint Joan of Wasilla. He was a wonk and not much of a campaigner. Say what you will about Biden, he knows how to shake some hands! ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2013, 6:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/47-video-source-interviewed-wednesday/652780/35 "2013-03-14T18:39:33Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > I still think the elections was his (or a generic GOP candidate’s) to lose. The economy was pretty damn bad. Romney just wasn’t a good candidate. And he wasn’t helped much by his fellow politicians on the right who demonstrated that they had their feet firmly planted in the Middle Ages. The problem was that the Republicans failed to learn the most important lesson of the 2008 election: they lost it. John McCain presumably got all the votes of conservative white men in the 2008 election. Barack Obama got the votes of people who aren’t conservative white men. And when they counted the results, Obama got more votes than McCain. The GOP somehow failed to do the math after this. They should have figured out that they needed to expand the appeal of their party beyond conservative white men. But instead they ran Mitt Romney. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2013, 6:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/47-video-source-interviewed-wednesday/652780/36 "2013-03-14T18:56:05Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > The GOP somehow failed to do the math after this. They should have figured out that they needed to expand the appeal of their party beyond conservative white men. But instead they ran Mitt Romney. They were using math that made them feel better about themselves. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2013, 7:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/47-video-source-interviewed-wednesday/652780/37 "2013-03-14T19:01:40Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > I still think the elections was his (or a generic GOP candidate’s) to lose. The economy was pretty damn bad. But it was improving, and the Republicans were counting on the economy either getting worse or on the public being totally dissatisfied with it, and since it was definitely getting better, that didn’t happen. ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2013, 7:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/47-video-source-interviewed-wednesday/652780/38 "2013-03-14T19:06:47Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > But it was improving, and the Republicans were counting on the economy either getting worse or on the public being totally dissatisfied with it, and since it was definitely getting better, that didn’t happen. In their defense, the did what they could to hurt the economy. ---
**Author:** ![Ludovic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@Ludovic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ludovic)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2013, 7:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/47-video-source-interviewed-wednesday/652780/39 "2013-03-14T19:17:23Z")
And they’ll never stop trying to destroy the health care system ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2013, 7:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/47-video-source-interviewed-wednesday/652780/40 "2013-03-14T19:29:37Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > That’s what I’ve read. That said, and I think I said this several times last year, it’s ridiculous how many political events are “private” these days, and to that end I’d be happy if a lot more people did what Prouty did. Is there a legal definition of ‘private’ in FLA? Since it was a fundraiser, I assume it was open to anyone who ponied up the dough which would not be that much different than a concert or ball game. Would that be legally different than an event where you had to be specifically invited? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/47-video-source-interviewed-wednesday/652780.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/47-video-source-interviewed-wednesday/652780.md?page=3)