# 49% vs. 41% in favour of Muslim ban **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [January 31, 2017, 10:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/49-vs-41-in-favour-of-muslim-ban/778708 "2017-01-31T22:54:22Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![davidm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidm/32/225_2.png) [@davidm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/davidm)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2017, 10:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/49-vs-41-in-favour-of-muslim-ban/778708/61 "2017-02-01T10:19:58Z")
A clear majority, by definition would have to be greater than 50%. ---
**Author:** ![Jonathan\_Chance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jonathan_chance/32/701_2.png) [@Jonathan\_Chance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jonathan_Chance)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2017, 10:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/49-vs-41-in-favour-of-muslim-ban/778708/62 "2017-02-01T10:52:04Z")
Off to Great Debates. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2017, 11:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/49-vs-41-in-favour-of-muslim-ban/778708/63 "2017-02-01T11:21:48Z")
It depends on the wording, but the fact that some wordings get a positive result means that Trump’s team can message this properly and win politically. The fact that the ban is temporary is probably the clincher. It’s what, 4 months? If Trump hadn’t been so stupid and applied it to existing visa holders and permanent residents he’d probably have 60% support right now for this policy. ---
**Author:** ![RitterSport](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rittersport/32/6326_2.png) [@RitterSport](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RitterSport)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2017, 11:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/49-vs-41-in-favour-of-muslim-ban/778708/64 "2017-02-01T11:37:41Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > …Freely allowing terrorists to enter the country and kill American citizens is awful. But, that wasn’t the policy. The policy was worse! Obama got Soros to pay terrorists to come here to kill American citizens in order to distract us from Hillary’s child trafficking! And, it wasn’t an e-mail server, it was a female server!! It was a warehouse that held women to serve up to the terrorists that Soros paid! #alternativefacts ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2017, 11:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/49-vs-41-in-favour-of-muslim-ban/778708/65 "2017-02-01T11:55:37Z")
It could be a 100% in favor and it would still be wrong. ---
**Author:** ![davidm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidm/32/225_2.png) [@davidm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/davidm)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2017, 12:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/49-vs-41-in-favour-of-muslim-ban/778708/66 "2017-02-01T12:01:15Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > The fact that the ban is temporary is probably the clincher. It’s what, 4 months? If Trump hadn’t been so stupid and applied it to existing visa holders and permanent residents he’d probably have 60% support right now for this policy. And there it is. It was stupid. The man is stupid. His staff is stupid. At least in the context of governance and international affairs. They have done permanent damage to international relations. People who had valid visas, who had been given permission to enter our country, who had gotten on planes and flown here, were told “you’re not welcome, go home”. Some were treated like criminals. Some were handcuffed. Children were kept from parents. Why should anyone trust us from now on? They’ve given a gift to radical Islamists, who can now point and say “see how America treats Muslims”. They’ve probably done more damage to our national security than letting in some valid visa holders or refugees would ever do. ---
**Author:** ![AK84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/85e7bf/32.png) [@AK84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AK84)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2017, 12:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/49-vs-41-in-favour-of-muslim-ban/778708/67 "2017-02-01T12:12:22Z")
Radical Islamists do not need to point to the Trump ban as evidence of how the US views muslims. That was apparent years ago. Those who are inclined to join ISIS will still do so, EXecutive order or not. Everyone else does not need an absence of this order to know ISIS is insane nor this order to know American governments propensity. If anything Trumps honesty is refreshing. ---
**Author:** ![Ramira](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ramira/32/344_2.png) [@Ramira](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ramira)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2017, 12:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/49-vs-41-in-favour-of-muslim-ban/778708/68 "2017-02-01T12:39:17Z")
> [@AK84](#): > > Radical Islamists do not need to point to the Trump ban as evidence of how the US views muslims. That was apparent years ago. Those who are inclined to join ISIS will still do so, EXecutive order or not. Everyone else does not need an absence of this order to know ISIS is insane nor this order to know American governments propensity. > > If anything Trumps honesty is refreshing. I do not in any way agree with this. For my region this is very shocking. Perhaps for the Indopak region it is different, but for the Maghreb and the African side it has the real effect. It makes if difficult to speak in any defense of the americans, and it helps the DAESH. ---
**Author:** ![Nava](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/da6949/32.png) [@Nava](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nava)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2017, 12:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/49-vs-41-in-favour-of-muslim-ban/778708/69 "2017-02-01T12:40:49Z")
> [@Kimstu](#): > > 😕 Not seeing your point. Are you saying that it’s more surprising that most Dopers disagree with a large minority of Americans about Trump’s policy than that most Dopers disagree with a large minority of Americans about human evolution? What keeps surprising me is how many Americans disagree with science. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2017, 12:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/49-vs-41-in-favour-of-muslim-ban/778708/70 "2017-02-01T12:43:16Z")
> [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](#): > > On the other hand, for all I know _‘somewhat disagree’_ is shorthand for _‘oh, we find it unacceptable that Saudi Arabia isn’t on the list; utterly unacceptable!’_ You didn’t actually read the wording of the poll question, did you? ---
**Author:** ![AK84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/85e7bf/32.png) [@AK84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AK84)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2017, 12:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/49-vs-41-in-favour-of-muslim-ban/778708/71 "2017-02-01T12:43:45Z")
> [@Ramira](#): > > I do not in any way agree with this. > > For my region this is very shocking. Perhaps for the Indopak region it is different, but for the Maghreb and the African side it has the real effect. > > It makes if difficult to speak in any defense of the americans, and it helps the DAESH. Are you talking about the US peoples has a whole or the United States Government? Because, I am referring to the latter. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2017, 12:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/49-vs-41-in-favour-of-muslim-ban/778708/72 "2017-02-01T12:53:37Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > You didn’t actually read the wording of the poll question, did you? I did, in fact, read the wording of the poll question. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2017, 1:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/49-vs-41-in-favour-of-muslim-ban/778708/73 "2017-02-01T13:04:34Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > It is absolute lunacy to take the position that we should just throw open our doors willy-nilly to any and every Muslim who seeks to enter the country … A very telling quote. Cheeto and his supporters like to act like it isn’t about religion, but it is. “OMG! They don’t share my faith! Keep them out!” Bigotry is an easy way to rally the great unwashed masses, but it will backfire in the long run. Democrats have not been as energized in my lifetime. I think Speaker Pelosi in 2019 is a real possibility. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2017, 1:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/49-vs-41-in-favour-of-muslim-ban/778708/74 "2017-02-01T13:08:18Z")
> [@Ramira](#): > > I do not in any way agree with this. > > For my region this is very shocking. Perhaps for the Indopak region it is different, but for the Maghreb and the African side it has the real effect. > > It makes if difficult to speak in any defense of the americans, and it helps the DAESH. Because Muslim countries have such wonderful, welcoming, immigration policies. Next think you’ll tell me is that failure to support gay marriage is hurting our image in the Muslim world too and helping ISIS to recruit. ---
**Author:** ![Hamlet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hamlet/32/2818_2.png) [@Hamlet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamlet)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2017, 1:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/49-vs-41-in-favour-of-muslim-ban/778708/75 "2017-02-01T13:15:23Z")
> [@AK84](#): > > Radical Islamists do not need to point to the Trump ban as evidence of how the US views muslims. That was apparent years ago. Those who are inclined to join ISIS will still do so, EXecutive order or not. Everyone else does not need an absence of this order to know ISIS is insane nor this order to know American governments propensity. Would you support a full ban on Muslims? If, instead of a temporary ban that effects only Muslims by an overwhelming percentage (or whatever semantic game you need play), Trump had simply enacted a no entry for people from Muslim majority countries. Would you support that? ---
**Author:** ![Ramira](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ramira/32/344_2.png) [@Ramira](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ramira)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2017, 1:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/49-vs-41-in-favour-of-muslim-ban/778708/76 "2017-02-01T13:22:50Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > Because Muslim countries have such wonderful, welcoming, immigration policies. I am quite certain that you know literally nothing factual about the “Muslim” countries immigration policies. The Turkey hosts millions of the Syrian refugees right now, and has given the rights to work and the long term refugree status, and is financing with the EIB and the EBRD a small business investment program for these refugrees - as a direct illustration of the toxix gross and prejudiced ignorance of your response. Morocco although a poor country with the severe tries to give the work permits to the transit migrants. Rather than spouting prejudice, learn first. > [@](#): > > Next think you’ll tell me is that failure to support gay marriage is hurting our image in the Muslim world too and helping ISIS to recruit. What this strawman pretension of care intends to do other than to make excuses for the bigotted and hateful actions of your government. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2017, 1:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/49-vs-41-in-favour-of-muslim-ban/778708/77 "2017-02-01T13:23:31Z")
Here’s my problem with Trump’s moratorium or ban or whatever: 1. If you want to put a moratorium on people from a country or countries entering your country, you stop issuing new visas. You don’t refuse to honor valid visas issued before the executive order. 2. The countries chosen were rather arbitrary. Supposedly the issue was stability, but that doesn’t really apply to all the countries on the list. The list should have been based on where the terrorists come from. ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2017, 1:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/49-vs-41-in-favour-of-muslim-ban/778708/78 "2017-02-01T13:26:29Z")
> [@Reuters](#): > > It has a credibility interval Still waiting for Trump’s. ---
**Author:** ![Ramira](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ramira/32/344_2.png) [@Ramira](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ramira)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2017, 1:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/49-vs-41-in-favour-of-muslim-ban/778708/79 "2017-02-01T13:26:33Z")
> [@AK84](#): > > Are you talking about the US peoples has a whole or the United States Government? Because, I am referring to the latter. I am talking about both of them. Your situation is different, you have the drones. Not all of the world experiences that. Today I get in my social media exchange the Arabic note celebrating as an example of standing up to the religious hatred and the bigotry, the picture and bio in arabic of the judge Anne Donnely who issued that first blocking order, celebrating this as the sign that there are still the decent people in the American government to stand up against those who are trying to promote religious warfare and bigotry. It is not something that lacks the importance. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2017, 1:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/49-vs-41-in-favour-of-muslim-ban/778708/80 "2017-02-01T13:28:08Z")
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