# 4chan trolls - It's OK to be White **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [November 2, 2017, 2:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/4chan-trolls-its-ok-to-be-white/800496 "2017-11-02T14:14:47Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2017, 5:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/4chan-trolls-its-ok-to-be-white/800496/61 "2017-11-11T17:47:10Z")
> [@Hector\_St\_Clare](#): > > Black Americans are a somewhat artificial ethnic group, but that’s by necessity (they had their ethnicities taken away from them and had to create a new one). … There are plenty of black Americans for whom this is not true. ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2017, 6:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/4chan-trolls-its-ok-to-be-white/800496/62 "2017-11-11T18:46:53Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > There are plenty of black Americans for whom this is not true. “Plenty” as in [some millions of individuals but not a high proportion of all black Americans](http://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2015/04/09/a-rising-share-of-the-u-s-black-population-is-foreign-born/). Of course, that article assesses only the percentage of immigrants themselves among black Americans, as opposed to all descendants of black immigrants who are aware of their specific black ethnic groups of origin. But AFAICT, it’s still true that a large majority of black Americans are descended from African slaves whose specific ethnic heritage disappeared from knowledge. ---
**Author:** ![Trinopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/2bfe46/32.png) [@Trinopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trinopus)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2017, 7:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/4chan-trolls-its-ok-to-be-white/800496/63 "2017-11-11T19:05:52Z")
> [@Blue\_Blistering\_Barnacle](#): > > . . . . Sounds like saying, “All lives matter.” Which many IRL (as well as many posters on this board) have equated with racism. Just to be properly nuanced, I wouldn’t “equate” it with racism, rather than to say that it’s a fig-leaf/dog-whistle for racism. I have a friend who moved from southern California to Montana. She’s very happy. She tole me how much she likes it there, because there aren’t any Martians. The first time she said that, I just blinked in total confusion. No Martians? Of course there aren’t any… The second time she said it, I heard the dog-whistle. ---
**Author:** ![Apollyon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/apollyon/32/4238_2.png) [@Apollyon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Apollyon)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2017, 8:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/4chan-trolls-its-ok-to-be-white/800496/64 "2017-11-15T20:02:54Z")
> [@Trinopus](#): > > No Martians? Of course there aren’t any… The second time she said it, I heard the dog-whistle. Dog-whistle I understand, but my Google-fu is failing me on Martian. Something to do with Red, or warlike? From context it must be some US minority group… Lil help with ignorance fighting please? ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2017, 8:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/4chan-trolls-its-ok-to-be-white/800496/65 "2017-11-15T20:18:59Z")
> [@Apollyon](#): > > Dog-whistle I understand, but my Google-fu is failing me on Martian. Something to do with Red, or warlike? From context it must be some US minority group… Lil help with ignorance fighting please? I’m guessing from the speaker’s contrasting of southern California with Montana that in this context “Martian” = “Mexican”. ---
**Author:** ![eulalia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eulalia/32/457_2.png) [@eulalia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eulalia)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2017, 8:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/4chan-trolls-its-ok-to-be-white/800496/66 "2017-11-15T20:22:27Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > That’s cool. But black isn’t an ethnic group either. Is it? Or brown? Or People of Color? These are just groupings loosely based on skin color. People of Color are targeted for discrimination by people who frankly don’t care what their ethnicity is, white racists consider all who are not white to be inferiors. ---
**Author:** ![rat\_avatar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rat_avatar/32/255_2.png) [@rat\_avatar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rat_avatar)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2017, 8:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/4chan-trolls-its-ok-to-be-white/800496/67 "2017-11-15T20:50:50Z")
> [@eulalia](#): > > People of Color are targeted for discrimination by people who frankly don’t care what their ethnicity is, white racists consider all who are not white to be inferiors. Exactly this,‘white’ is a label of exclusion and not an ethnic group. The definition changes to fit political goals. This is why Finnish or non-christian people were excluded in recent years. The definition changes to be inclusive of ‘Judeo Christians’ in the 50s due to the red scare. The clan was murdering Catholics just prior to that. ---
**Author:** ![Trinopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/2bfe46/32.png) [@Trinopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trinopus)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2017, 8:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/4chan-trolls-its-ok-to-be-white/800496/68 "2017-11-15T20:52:29Z")
> [@Kimstu](#): > > I’m guessing from the speaker’s contrasting of southern California with Montana that in this context “Martian” = “Mexican”. I don’t know absolutely for sure, but I think it was general-purpose rejection of diversity as we know it: bigotry against Mexicans, blacks, Vietnamese, middle-Easterners, etc. (Vaguely ironic, as the nice lady in question is of Irish descent, and it just wasn’t all that long ago that her people were the “Martians.”) ---
**Author:** ![Ludovic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@Ludovic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ludovic)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2017, 9:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/4chan-trolls-its-ok-to-be-white/800496/69 "2017-11-15T21:26:54Z")
Or, Martians would be outer-space aliens, and thus perhaps a euphemism for “illegal aliens”. (Which edges out “undocumented immigrant” as the silliest-sounding term for unauthorized residents.) ---
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2017, 10:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/4chan-trolls-its-ok-to-be-white/800496/70 "2017-11-15T22:13:01Z")
> [@Blue\_Blistering\_Barnacle](#): > > …my bolding… > > I saw what you did there- very naughty. ::Wags Finger:: > > Sounds like saying, “All lives matter.” Which many IRL (as well as many posters on this board) have equated with racism. And as with all lives matter it makes a statement that is factually true but totally misses the point in an insulting way. Its like saying to someone whose protesting the cutting off of their food stamps, “well hedge fund managers need to be able to feed their families too”. ---
**Author:** ![PigArcher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/bcef8e/32.png) [@PigArcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PigArcher)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2017, 10:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/4chan-trolls-its-ok-to-be-white/800496/71 "2017-11-15T22:20:34Z")
> [@Buck\_Godot](#): > > And as with all lives matter it makes a statement that is factually true but totally misses the point in an insulting way. Its like saying to someone whose protesting the cutting off of their food stamps, “well hedge fund managers need to be able to feed their families too”. [All houses matter.](http://chainsawsuit.com/comic/archive/2014/12/08/all-things-considered/) ---
**Author:** ![Merneith](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/57b2e6/32.png) [@Merneith](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merneith)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2017, 6:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/4chan-trolls-its-ok-to-be-white/800496/72 "2017-11-16T06:07:14Z")
[All Houses Matter: The Extended Cut](http://chainsawsuit.com/comic/archive/2016/07/07/all-houses-matter-the-extended-cut/) Straub’s commentary on the response to the first comic should be required reading for this thread topic. ---
**Author:** ![Shamozzle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shamozzle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shamozzle)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2017, 3:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/4chan-trolls-its-ok-to-be-white/800496/73 "2017-11-18T03:57:38Z")
This just strikes me as the social science version of the classic “Dihydrogen Monoxide” punk, and those who think faster with their hearts than their heads are falling for it. ---
**Author:** ![DUCKofDEATH](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/6f9a4e/32.png) [@DUCKofDEATH](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DUCKofDEATH)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2017, 7:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/4chan-trolls-its-ok-to-be-white/800496/74 "2017-11-20T07:04:04Z")
> [@steronz](#): > > [Sample story here.](https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/signs-saying-its-okay-to-be-white-found-at-maryland-high-school/2017/11/01/92013a26-bf3b-11e7-959c-fe2b598d8c00_story.html?utm_term=.de14494b940e)[Background here](https://squawker.org/culture-wars/4chaniotbw/) (alt-right link, you’ve been warned). > > What’s the best way to deal with these douchebags? I agree. They should find the thugs who pulled down those posters and give them a severe talking-to so they’ll understand why diversity is something to be treasured. ---
**Author:** ![POSTTOWN1978](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/7ab992/32.png) [@POSTTOWN1978](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/POSTTOWN1978)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2017, 3:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/4chan-trolls-its-ok-to-be-white/800496/75 "2017-11-23T03:14:06Z")
> [@steronz](#): > > [Sample story here.](https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/signs-saying-its-okay-to-be-white-found-at-maryland-high-school/2017/11/01/92013a26-bf3b-11e7-959c-fe2b598d8c00_story.html?utm_term=.de14494b940e)[Background here](https://squawker.org/culture-wars/4chaniotbw/) (alt-right link, you’ve been warned). > > What’s the best way to deal with these douchebags? Let them have freedom of speech. and let them say whatever they want. ---
**Author:** ![POSTTOWN1978](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/7ab992/32.png) [@POSTTOWN1978](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/POSTTOWN1978)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2017, 3:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/4chan-trolls-its-ok-to-be-white/800496/76 "2017-11-23T03:16:12Z")
> [@DUCKofDEATH](#): > > I agree. They should find the thugs who pulled down those posters and give them a severe talking-to so they’ll understand why diversity is something to be treasured. Diversity divides and far from a treasure. ---
**Author:** ![POSTTOWN1978](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/7ab992/32.png) [@POSTTOWN1978](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/POSTTOWN1978)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2017, 4:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/4chan-trolls-its-ok-to-be-white/800496/77 "2017-11-23T04:21:12Z")
> [@steronz](#): > > Nobody needs to react, and in a perfect world nobody would give the trolls the attention they so desperately crave. But we don’t live in that world. We all know people are going to react, and they’re going to react in a way that gives the trolls exactly what they want – a sense of victimization. > > Given that we all know a reaction is inevitable, I’m asking what the best way to deal with it is. I think the truth is that your scared most people are going to agree with them after studying their point of view. ---
**Author:** ![POSTTOWN1978](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/7ab992/32.png) [@POSTTOWN1978](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/POSTTOWN1978)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2017, 4:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/4chan-trolls-its-ok-to-be-white/800496/78 "2017-11-23T04:22:15Z")
> [@Slash1972](#): > > So, it’s NOT ok to be white? Or it is? or something else? Of course its not ok to be white whites are most hated race in the world other race groups are very jealous of whites for the success they have and the fact they get most dating choices whites get most messages by far on any online dating site if u study this ---
**Author:** ![POSTTOWN1978](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/7ab992/32.png) [@POSTTOWN1978](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/POSTTOWN1978)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2017, 5:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/4chan-trolls-its-ok-to-be-white/800496/79 "2017-11-23T05:49:37Z")
> [@steronz](#): > > [Sample story here.](https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/signs-saying-its-okay-to-be-white-found-at-maryland-high-school/2017/11/01/92013a26-bf3b-11e7-959c-fe2b598d8c00_story.html?utm_term=.de14494b940e)[Background here](https://squawker.org/culture-wars/4chaniotbw/) (alt-right link, you’ve been warned). > > What’s the best way to deal with these douchebags? Oh yeh alt right link lol so people should just instantly act like the alt right has no good points their points are so strong people ban them. are you serious? THEY BAN THE ALT RIGHT BECAUSE THEY ARE SCARED TO DEBATE THEM. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2017, 7:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/4chan-trolls-its-ok-to-be-white/800496/80 "2017-11-30T19:53:01Z")
By the way, not only is it OK to be white, it makes life in Europe, Canada, the U.S. and Australia much easier. Is there a single term we could use for this group? “Anglosphere” and “liberal democracies” don’t quite fit in describing places where being white makes life easier. The beige-o-sphere? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/4chan-trolls-its-ok-to-be-white/800496.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/4chan-trolls-its-ok-to-be-white/800496.md?page=5)