# 5 women accuse Louis CK of sexual misconduct **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [November 9, 2017, 10:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/5-women-accuse-louis-ck-of-sexual-misconduct/801152 "2017-11-09T22:27:49Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 12
**Author:** ![Karol\_Lewis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/919ad9/32.png) [@Karol\_Lewis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Karol_Lewis)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2017, 11:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/5-women-accuse-louis-ck-of-sexual-misconduct/801152/221 "2017-11-11T23:10:31Z")
No, they never even said they knew each other. You are again assuming they are colleagues. This festival has people in different locations different days. For all we know he was in the audience watching and approached them afterwards and said wanna come to my hotel room? If we are assuming they knew each other in one way or another then we could make lots of other assumptions that I don’t feel comfortable making. > [@Kimstu](#): > > When they’re staying in the hotel for a comedy gig? For the same reason any other two co-workers staying in a hotel for a business trip might agree to go to the hotel room of another colleague: namely, to hang out and talk about their business. > > Do you seriously imagine that going to a colleague’s hotel room for a drink and a chat, while traveling on business and accompanied by a friend, is intrinsically a rather “flirty” or “daring” thing to do? In this day and age? > > Here I was thinking you must be a rather naive American teenager, and it appears that on the contrary you’re well into your nineties. ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2017, 11:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/5-women-accuse-louis-ck-of-sexual-misconduct/801152/222 "2017-11-11T23:10:37Z")
> [@Karol\_Lewis](#): > > You have a very weird interpretation on honesty. I enjoy talking to Kimstu because she has intelligent replies. …no need to get personal. If you want to get personal there is a whole forum for doing that, take it there. You claimed the public would not allow Louis CK to speak honestly. But you concede Louis CK spoke honestly. So were you wrong before? > [@](#): > > But this guy, common. Did you mean “But this guy, come on?” ---
**Author:** ![Karol\_Lewis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/919ad9/32.png) [@Karol\_Lewis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Karol_Lewis)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2017, 11:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/5-women-accuse-louis-ck-of-sexual-misconduct/801152/223 "2017-11-11T23:11:57Z")
I didn’t say anything bad about you. Just said “but this guy, common” > [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > …no need to get personal. If you want to get personal there is a whole forum for doing that, take it there. You claimed the public would not allow Louis CK to speak honestly. But you concede Louis CK spoke honestly. So were you wrong before? > > Did you mean “But this guy, come on?” ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2017, 11:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/5-women-accuse-louis-ck-of-sexual-misconduct/801152/224 "2017-11-11T23:14:10Z")
> [@Karol\_Lewis](#): > > I didn’t say anything bad about you. Just said “but this guy, common” …you implied my posts were not intelligent. Thats pretty personal to me. And are you going to actually answer my questions? ---
**Author:** ![Karol\_Lewis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/919ad9/32.png) [@Karol\_Lewis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Karol_Lewis)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2017, 11:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/5-women-accuse-louis-ck-of-sexual-misconduct/801152/225 "2017-11-11T23:15:23Z")
I wasn’t trying to imply anything. and I have answered that same questions for you, several times. Last time. No, he was honest. But obviously both sides omitted things. > [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > …you implied my posts were not intelligent. Thats pretty personal to me. > > And are you going to actually answer my questions? ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2017, 11:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/5-women-accuse-louis-ck-of-sexual-misconduct/801152/226 "2017-11-11T23:16:03Z")
> [@Karol Lewis](#): > > Also are you saying you have NEVER removed your clothing in front of someone unless they explicitly said " you can take off your shirt" “you can take off your pant” and soo on? I have never removed my clothing in front of someone who I wasn’t absolutely sure wanted me to do so. And nobody’s ever removed their clothing in front of me without being absolutely sure I wanted them to do so. And when such removals **did** occur, a fine time was had by all. If the wishes of any of the parties were in any doubt, the clothes stayed on. It’s really not that difficult, if you start out with the premise that sex partners are individual human beings whose feelings are important, rather than frustrating puzzles that have to be solved to unlock a sex achievement. ---
**Author:** ![Karol\_Lewis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/919ad9/32.png) [@Karol\_Lewis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Karol_Lewis)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2017, 11:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/5-women-accuse-louis-ck-of-sexual-misconduct/801152/227 "2017-11-11T23:17:51Z")
How were you absolutely sure, if there was no verbal acknowledgment? (this questions is very important because the answer will be a subjective answer 100% of the time) > [@Kimstu](#): > > I have never removed my clothing in front of someone who I wasn’t absolutely sure wanted me to do so. And nobody’s ever removed their clothing in front of me without being absolutely sure I wanted them to do so. > > And when such removals **did** occur, a fine time was had by all. If the wishes of any of the parties were in any doubt, the clothes stayed on. > It’s really not that difficult, if you start out with the premise that sex partners are individual human beings whose feelings are important, rather than frustrating puzzles that have to be solved to unlock a sex achievement. ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2017, 11:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/5-women-accuse-louis-ck-of-sexual-misconduct/801152/228 "2017-11-11T23:21:29Z")
> [@Karol\_Lewis](#): > > I wasn’t trying to imply anything. …my apologies. You outright intended to infer my posts weren’t intelligent. Thanks for clearing that up. > [@](#): > > and I have answered that same questions for you, several times. Last time. This requires a yes or a no answer. "When you said “the public would not allow him to explain it honestly” did you actually mean “the public did allow him to explain it honestly”? > [@](#): > > No, he was honest. But obviously both sides omitted things. What was omitted and how was what was omitted relevant? How has the public not allowed Louis CK to explain things honestly? ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2017, 11:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/5-women-accuse-louis-ck-of-sexual-misconduct/801152/229 "2017-11-11T23:21:41Z")
> [@Karol\_Lewis](#): > > You are again assuming they are colleagues. I **know** that they are colleagues because they are all comedians who were all there for a comedy festival. And they all knew that they were all comedians, and the two women wanted to hang out with Louis CK because he was a comedian they admired. “Colleagues” doesn’t have to mean people who know each other and work together; it can just mean people in the same profession. ---
**Author:** ![Karol\_Lewis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/919ad9/32.png) [@Karol\_Lewis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Karol_Lewis)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2017, 11:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/5-women-accuse-louis-ck-of-sexual-misconduct/801152/230 "2017-11-11T23:23:09Z")
No, I did not mean that. I mean what I say. Now Bear, I am saying No to that question. I have answered it and I will not keep going in circles with you, and no means no. :dubious: > [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > This requires a yes or a no answer. "When you said “the public would not allow him to explain it honestly” did you actually mean “the public did allow him to explain it honestly”? ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2017, 11:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/5-women-accuse-louis-ck-of-sexual-misconduct/801152/231 "2017-11-11T23:25:10Z")
> [@Karol\_Lewis](#): > > How were you absolutely sure, if there was no verbal acknowledgment? I can’t really explain it to you; it’s a grown-up thing. One clue, though, is that the issue of clothes removal never just suddenly manifested itself in the midst of far more casual activities like sitting down to have a drink with one’s coat and hat still on. (Technically, of course, that could be an appropriate situation for a discussion of outerwear removal with no sexual implications whatever. But let’s not go there, it looks like you’ve got a big enough job just trying to comprehend the basics.) ---
**Author:** ![Karol\_Lewis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/919ad9/32.png) [@Karol\_Lewis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Karol_Lewis)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2017, 11:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/5-women-accuse-louis-ck-of-sexual-misconduct/801152/232 "2017-11-11T23:25:34Z")
Webster definition. an associate or coworker typically in a profession or in a civil or ecclesiastical office and often of similar rank or state So, if they had never met, it goes back to the question. why would two girls go back to the hotel room of someone they had never met? Not blaming, just asking > [@Kimstu](#): > > I **know** that they are colleagues because they are all comedians who were all there for a comedy festival. And they all knew that they were all comedians, and the two women wanted to hang out with Louis CK because he was a comedian they admired. “Colleagues” doesn’t have to mean people who know each other and work together; it can just mean people in the same profession. ---
**Author:** ![Karol\_Lewis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/919ad9/32.png) [@Karol\_Lewis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Karol_Lewis)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2017, 11:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/5-women-accuse-louis-ck-of-sexual-misconduct/801152/233 "2017-11-11T23:27:29Z")
Oh hunny, worst answer you could give. I can’t explain it to you means you don’t even know how you knew. Which means you could have easily been wrong. > [@Kimstu](#): > > I can’t really explain it to you; it’s a grown-up thing. > > One clue, though, is that the issue of clothes removal never just suddenly manifested itself in the midst of far more casual activities like sitting down to have a drink with one’s coat and hat still on. ---
**Author:** ![Karol\_Lewis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/919ad9/32.png) [@Karol\_Lewis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Karol_Lewis)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2017, 11:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/5-women-accuse-louis-ck-of-sexual-misconduct/801152/234 "2017-11-11T23:29:34Z")
My husband and I do this a lot. It is called CFNM, and it is a perfectly fine way to express yourself > [@Kimstu](#): > > I can’t really explain it to you; it’s a grown-up thing. > > One clue, though, is that the issue of clothes removal never just suddenly manifested itself in the midst of far more casual activities like sitting down to have a drink with one’s coat and hat still on. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2017, 11:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/5-women-accuse-louis-ck-of-sexual-misconduct/801152/235 "2017-11-11T23:32:41Z")
> [@Karol\_Lewis](#): > > So, if they had never met, it goes back to the question. why would two girls go back to the hotel room of someone they had never met? > > Not blaming, just asking One simple answer is networking/auditioning. Louis CK is one of the biggest names in comedy today. If you go back to his room and shoot the shit with him and make him snort milk out his nose, next time he’s casting for a small part in _Louie_ he might think of you, give you a call, see if you’re interested. Maybe someone with more knowledge of the world of comedy can step in here; my vague understanding is that this is how it often works. ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2017, 11:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/5-women-accuse-louis-ck-of-sexual-misconduct/801152/236 "2017-11-11T23:33:28Z")
> [@Karol\_Lewis](#): > > So, if they had never met, it goes back to the question. why would two girls go back to the hotel room of someone they had never met? If they are all in the same profession and all at the same out of town location for a gig? Why on earth **wouldn’t** they? When I go to academic conferences I go for drinks in the hotel rooms of people I’ve never met all. the. time. No masturbation or propositions ever form part of these get-togethers, nor did they even when I was younger. Again, your remarks are shuttering back and forth between naive-teenager (_“how do you know when it’s okay to take your clothes off?”_) and Edwardian-prude (_“why would ladies even enter a stranger’s hotel room except for immoral purposes?”_) modes so fast it’s giving me whiplash. ---
**Author:** ![Karol\_Lewis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/919ad9/32.png) [@Karol\_Lewis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Karol_Lewis)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2017, 11:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/5-women-accuse-louis-ck-of-sexual-misconduct/801152/237 "2017-11-11T23:36:30Z")
Typically happens in restaurants/bars But ok, lets say that is the case. Then as I mentioned both sides omitted things. A very important part was omitted. Why would they have omitted that? That would be a very convincing piece to say. instead they said “He was a comedian they admired. The women would be together. His intentions seemed collegial” > [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > One simple answer is networking/auditioning. Louis CK is one of the biggest names in comedy today. If you go back to his room and shoot the shit with him and make him snort milk out his nose, next time he’s looking for a small part in _Louie_ he might think of you, give you a call, see if you’re interested. Maybe someone with more knowledge of the world of comedy can step in here; my vague understanding is that this is how it often works. ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2017, 11:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/5-women-accuse-louis-ck-of-sexual-misconduct/801152/238 "2017-11-11T23:37:29Z")
> [@Karol\_Lewis](#): > > Which means you could have easily been wrong. I could potentially have been wrong, but as it happens in all those years I never have been. In fact, there’s a remarkably high correlation overall between consistently espousing strong principles of respect and consent in sexual behavior on the one hand, and never getting accused of sexual assault or misconduct on the other. Must just be one of those weird coincidences. ---
**Author:** ![Karol\_Lewis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/919ad9/32.png) [@Karol\_Lewis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Karol_Lewis)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2017, 11:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/5-women-accuse-louis-ck-of-sexual-misconduct/801152/239 "2017-11-11T23:38:32Z")
Both of those are great questions. No one, Male, female or other. Should go to a private place with someone they don’t know. Safety rule #1 If someone doesn’t say “it’s ok to take off your clothes” then you are ALWAYS making an assumption and that assumption ALWAYS has the chance of being wrong. > [@Kimstu](#): > > If they are all in the same profession and all at the same out of town location for a gig? Why on earth **wouldn’t** they? > > When I go to academic conferences I go for drinks in the hotel rooms of people I’ve never met all. the. time. No masturbation or propositions ever form part of these get-togethers, nor did they even when I was younger. > > Again, your remarks are shuttering back and forth between naive-teenager (_“how do you know when it’s okay to take your clothes off?”_) and Edwardian-prude (_“why would ladies even enter a stranger’s hotel room except for immoral purposes?”_) modes so fast it’s giving me whiplash. ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2017, 11:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/5-women-accuse-louis-ck-of-sexual-misconduct/801152/240 "2017-11-11T23:38:36Z")
> [@Karol\_Lewis](#): > > Typically happens in restaurants/bars You missed the part of the story where it says the bars were closed. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/5-women-accuse-louis-ck-of-sexual-misconduct/801152.md?page=11) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/5-women-accuse-louis-ck-of-sexual-misconduct/801152.md?page=13)