# 5 women accuse Louis CK of sexual misconduct **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [November 9, 2017, 10:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/5-women-accuse-louis-ck-of-sexual-misconduct/801152 "2017-11-09T22:27:49Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 8\ **Page:** 19
**Author:** ![Spice\_Weasel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spice_weasel/32/5435_2.png) [@Spice\_Weasel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spice_Weasel)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2017, 1:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/5-women-accuse-louis-ck-of-sexual-misconduct/801152/361 "2017-11-15T13:45:05Z")
> [@Snarky\_Kong](#): > > Ok, I’m not trying to jump in the middle of anything, but that’s ridiculous. You don’t need to use the word “wrong” to say you’re wrong. > > If I say I loathe Donald Trump are you going to claim “ **Snarky Kong** , never said he disliked Donald Trump! Show me a transcript with ‘dislike’ in it.” **Lefty** was neatly summarizing **Karol** ’s argument. I have to say, it’s an impressive failure of critical thinking. One of the most egregious I think I’ve ever seen on this board. ---
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2017, 1:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/5-women-accuse-louis-ck-of-sexual-misconduct/801152/362 "2017-11-15T13:50:46Z")
Ah. Mea Culpa. ---
**Author:** ![Pantastic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3bc359/32.png) [@Pantastic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pantastic)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2017, 3:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/5-women-accuse-louis-ck-of-sexual-misconduct/801152/363 "2017-11-15T15:06:43Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > Nowhere in there does the word “wrong” appear. Winning, Karol Lewis. Winning! Yes, this is clearly either an English 101 issue or deliberate misunderstanding, and I can’t see engaging either case as being anything but a waste of time. “No one used the literal phrase cover-up, therefore the actions people took to cover this up don’t count as a cover-up!” and “No one used the word wrong, therefore none of them think it was wrong even though they used a lot of synonyms for wrong” don’t lead to any interesting insights. ---
**Author:** ![misterW](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f1d935/32.png) [@misterW](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/misterW)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2017, 4:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/5-women-accuse-louis-ck-of-sexual-misconduct/801152/364 "2017-11-15T16:15:45Z")
> [@thirdname](#): > > How did he violate consent? In the stories I’ve heard, they accompanied him into his hotel room, he specifically asked them if he could do it and they said yes. He got explicit “affirmative consent” which is what feminists say they want men to do. And they could have stood up and walked out at any point if they didn’t like it. They chose to watch. In one case he merely asked, the woman said no, and he didn’t do it. One of the stories had him on the phone. That might have started without explicit consent, but she could have hung up if she wanted. > > Is it wrong to engage in consensual sexual behavior others find disgusting or creepy? If so, then we’ll have to end the career of every gay man and every person with any fetish including any S&M. And nobody on the planet would consider it “sexual assault” if a woman asked a man to watch her masturbate, he said yes, and she proceeded to do so while he watched. > > Is an ugly woman a rapist if a man voluntarily, but reluctantly has sex with her, but regrets it and denounces her 15 years later? > > Are you people reading different news stories than me? Where did he violate anybody’s consent? It sounds to me like he’s getting shamed for having a fetish people find disgusting. If he had asked if they would engage in something more conventional, and they did, this would never have been a story. The fact that it was something a bit unusual allows people to gloss over the facts and portray him as some crazy guy in a trench coat. ---
**Author:** ![Moriarty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/moriarty/32/49_2.png) [@Moriarty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Moriarty)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2017, 6:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/5-women-accuse-louis-ck-of-sexual-misconduct/801152/365 "2017-11-15T18:21:28Z")
> [@Karol\_Lewis](#): > > Almost never inappropriate to ask. a few obvious exceptions > > 1. under the legal age in your state. > 2. A person who is not mentally capable of making a informed decision (including under the influence) > 3. The person has made it clear that they would not be interested. > 4. Immediate family members, or the like That’s all you can come up with? Really?? A 21 year old college student goes in to talk with her professor, a man 35 years her senior, boasting of several prestigious degrees from renowned universities. She is quite intimidated by his brilliance, and needs his help with the dense lectures he’s been giving. She knows she needs at least a B to maintain her scholarship, so she’s mustered the courage to come talk to him. Alone in his office, explaining her fruitless efforts to study, and the importance of this class to her future, the student is interrupted by the guffawing of the learned Doctor. “Why, you’re problem is that you’re too tense. A really invigorating orgasm would surely do the trick. I’d be happy to offer it, if you’re inclined. I am certain that it would do wonders for your grades. How about a go?” Nothing inappropriate?? … A woman in her 30s goes to see her doctor. She’s been blinded by really intense headaches that make it hard to even open her eyes. Sitting in the doctor’s small office, alone, she can’t even make eye contact, it hurts too bad. She’s really hoping that he’ll recommend a shot, or something, so she can head to the office and finally finish up that report she has due next week before getting home to have dinner with the husband and kids. Instead, the Doctor, who is rubbing her temples while he looks down her throat, announces, “You know, there is a lot of homeopathic treatment these days that focuses on releasing tension. One of the best ways is through intercourse. The hormones it generates are natural pain killers. I know that you’ve previously discussed your husband’s lack of libido, so I’d be happy to stand in for him. We can fornicate right here. I won’t even charge you for the consult.” Nothing wrong there, too, right? ---
**Author:** ![thirdname](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/d07c76/32.png) [@thirdname](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thirdname)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2017, 7:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/5-women-accuse-louis-ck-of-sexual-misconduct/801152/366 "2017-11-15T19:17:11Z")
> [@bobot](#): > > I’m on my way to work and only watched a little of that link. What I saw was consensual, and has nothing to do with anything. I’m saying that by the standards people here are using against Louis CK, it was nonconsensual for the **witnesses** in the room who saw the guy get jerked. They did not give explicit consent, and they were at their workplace which renders consent invalid anyway. (And the fact that they stayed in the room, watched and laughed is not consent according to the people condemning Louis here. It’s exactly what the women in his hotel-room incident did.) ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2017, 8:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/5-women-accuse-louis-ck-of-sexual-misconduct/801152/367 "2017-11-15T20:36:16Z")
> [@thirdname](#): > > I’m saying that by the standards people here are using against Louis CK, it was nonconsensual for the **witnesses** in the room who saw the guy get jerked. They did not give explicit consent, and they were at their workplace which renders consent invalid anyway. (And the fact that they stayed in the room, watched and laughed is not consent according to the people condemning Louis here. It’s exactly what the women in his hotel-room incident did.) Do you know anything whatsoever about Howard Stern’s show? Because I can’t tell whether you’re deliberately drawing a false equivalence, or just don’t have all the information you need. ---
**Author:** ![Moriarty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/moriarty/32/49_2.png) [@Moriarty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Moriarty)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2017, 8:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/5-women-accuse-louis-ck-of-sexual-misconduct/801152/368 "2017-11-15T20:36:53Z")
> [@thirdname](#): > > …and they were at their workplace which renders consent invalid anyway… Really? What odd standards people have. If I work on a porn movie, I can’t give consent, because I’m being paid? Yes, usually sexualizing a workplace creates a hostile environment. But if the workplace is a sexualized environment (or, “bawdy”, if you prefer, to describe Stern’s show), then nobody gets to complain when people - at work - are exposed to the usual conditions of the workplace. It’s when the behavior is not part of the job, or an unexpected condition of doing a job that has nothing to do with that behavior, that makes it harassing. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/5-women-accuse-louis-ck-of-sexual-misconduct/801152.md?page=18)