# 50000 dogs = 3 Humans, the new Chinese math. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 1, 2006, 5:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/50000-dogs-3-humans-the-new-chinese-math/366912 "2006-08-01T17:45:26Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![BluePitbull](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e9bcb4/32.png) [@BluePitbull](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BluePitbull)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2006, 12:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/50000-dogs-3-humans-the-new-chinese-math/366912/41 "2006-08-02T00:17:26Z")
[QUOTE=Left Hand of Dorkness] I think this is where I’m getting the disconnect. Leary seems to be focusing on cuteness; I’m focusing on intelligence. The two are completely unrelated (see also Sarah Michelle Gellar and Stephen Hawking). You seem to be equating the two in this passage. [/QUOTE] I hear pigs are more intelligent than horses, rabbits and dogs but we eat them anyway. So why the double standard? It is because rabbits, dogs and horses are cuter than pigs. ---
**Author:** ![MaddyStrut](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/dbc845/32.png) [@MaddyStrut](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MaddyStrut)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2006, 12:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/50000-dogs-3-humans-the-new-chinese-math/366912/42 "2006-08-02T00:31:45Z")
[QUOTE=Anne Neville] In addition to being cruel, beating the dogs to death means they can’t test them for rabies, AIUI. That would be useful information to have, if the goal were to get treatment for people for whom it might not be too late. 360 dog bites per year- if those animals have an unknown rabies vaccination status, you have those animals euthanized, and test them for rabies. It’s a manageable problem, and has to be easier and more cost-effective than clubbing 50,000 dogs to death. [/QUOTE] I thought that too. In addition, isn’t beating rather messy? Wouldn’t it leave blood and gore for scavengers (like rats) to gobble up and spread more disease? ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2006, 12:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/50000-dogs-3-humans-the-new-chinese-math/366912/43 "2006-08-02T00:33:52Z")
[QUOTE=buttonjockey308] Actually, yes, that’s exactly what I’m saying. It’s the same reason that I don’t feel for the people in, say Cuba, or Iraq, or Iran. If they truly want a revolution, if the majority TRULY wants change, they will get it, and at any cost. Humans have that ability. The brutal ad hoc ‘murder’ of truly innocent animals because THREE people got rabies, strips away all of the facade that China puts up, and shows the government for the brutal, sadistic, yet inexplicably lazy cauldron of violence it is. [/QUOTE] Wow! You’re revolting! ---
**Author:** ![Argent\_Towers](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e8c25b/32.png) [@Argent\_Towers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Argent_Towers)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2006, 12:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/50000-dogs-3-humans-the-new-chinese-math/366912/44 "2006-08-02T00:35:35Z")
[QUOTE=BluePitbull] I hear pigs are more intelligent than horses, rabbits and dogs but we eat them anyway. So why the double standard? It is because rabbits, dogs and horses are cuter than pigs. [/QUOTE] “We” meaning Americans. Rabbit is common in Europe as well as horsemeat. My girlfriend, from the Phillipines, has eaten dog. Not everyone has these hangups. I dearly wish to eat horse some day. Unfortunately, it seems I may have to leave the US to do so. ---
**Author:** ![WolfpackJeep](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpackjeep/32/2921_2.png) [@WolfpackJeep](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WolfpackJeep)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2006, 12:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/50000-dogs-3-humans-the-new-chinese-math/366912/45 "2006-08-02T00:38:20Z")
This seems more like some kind of “don’t let the people have pets” measure than “save the people from rabies.” And I would think it would take more effort and money to beat these dogs to death and dispose of their supposedly infected bodies than it would to just vaccinate them. **BluePitbull** : while wild-running pigs may be another matter, pigs found on the farms where I grew up don’t come across as particularly smart. (Just my experience.) ---
**Author:** ![BluePitbull](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e9bcb4/32.png) [@BluePitbull](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BluePitbull)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2006, 12:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/50000-dogs-3-humans-the-new-chinese-math/366912/46 "2006-08-02T00:49:31Z")
[QUOTE=Jeep’s Phoenix] This seems more like some kind of “don’t let the people have pets” measure than “save the people from rabies.” And I would think it would take more effort and money to beat these dogs to death and dispose of their supposedly infected bodies than it would to just vaccinate them. **BluePitbull** : while wild-running pigs may be another matter, pigs found on the farms where I grew up don’t come across as particularly smart. (Just my experience.) [/QUOTE] I think you might be right. I never did understand how or why a farm pig would be selected for intelligence. I retract my previous statement about pig intelligence. ---
**Author:** ![Bear\_Nenno](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bear_nenno/32/3358_2.png) [@Bear\_Nenno](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bear_Nenno)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2006, 1:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/50000-dogs-3-humans-the-new-chinese-math/366912/47 "2006-08-02T01:49:01Z")
[QUOTE=BluePitbull] I hear pigs are more intelligent than horses, rabbits and dogs but we eat them anyway. So why the double standard? It is because rabbits, dogs and horses are cuter than pigs. [/QUOTE] No. It’s because so many people dont believe or accept how smart pigs are. It’s not always about looks. . . Rabbits are probably the cutest thing on your list, and people hunt and eat them all the time in America. (well at least when they’re in season) Are whales cute? Most people dont think they have any sort of “cuteness” quality at all. But it’s pretty well accepted in America that they are supersmart mystical mammals, so we tend to agree that killing them is wrong. Dolphins just happen to be smart AND cute. Blue whales are not cute, yet we give them the same regards as dolphins. Baby cows are kinda cute–most baby mammals are–but people dont care that they’re slaughtered for veal. That’s because people tend to believe they’re just dumb food animals. So intelligence and self-awareness have much more to do with popular opinion than cuteness. Smart= Dont Kill. Cute is irrelevant if the animal is viewed as dumb and it tastes good! ---
**Author:** ![woodstockbirdybird](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/woodstockbirdybird/32/7905_2.png) [@woodstockbirdybird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/woodstockbirdybird)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2006, 1:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/50000-dogs-3-humans-the-new-chinese-math/366912/48 "2006-08-02T01:57:26Z")
[QUOTE=Argent Towers] Not everyone has these hangups. I dearly wish to eat horse some day. Unfortunately, it seems I may have to leave the US to do so. [/QUOTE] YOu “dearly wish to eat horse some day”? WTF kind of retarded wish is that? ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2006, 1:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/50000-dogs-3-humans-the-new-chinese-math/366912/49 "2006-08-02T01:58:44Z")
[QUOTE=woodstockbirdybird] Yes, joking. Sorry. I thought it would be obvious. [/QUOTE] Fair enough-sorry 'bout that. Considering SOME of the outrageous statements in this thread, you never can tell. 😉 **Bear\_Nenno** -blue whales stopped being hunted because they were endangered, IIRC. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Flying\_Dutchman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/9fc348/32.png) [@The\_Flying\_Dutchman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Flying_Dutchman)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2006, 2:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/50000-dogs-3-humans-the-new-chinese-math/366912/50 "2006-08-02T02:14:02Z")
I hate to give the OP some more stress, but the fact is eating dogs, particularly St Bernards is getting to be quite popular in China. > [@D\_Odds](#): > > However, dolphins (which are much, much smarter than fish, and possibly most mammals) are caught. Dophins are cute! So to save the inedible, unsalable dolphin, ARA can mount a public campaign to change fishing methods. The Japanese eat dolphins ---
**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2006, 3:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/50000-dogs-3-humans-the-new-chinese-math/366912/51 "2006-08-02T03:40:33Z")
[QUOTE=buttonjockey308] The cruelty is an OPINION. We don’t eat dogs here, they’re cute, they’re smart, and they help us. The next time your chicken scares off a prowler, we can talk about what is and isn’t cruelty. [/quote] Moron. Cruelty is not a question of what purposes we use the animal for, it’s a question of how the animal is treated. There’s a good argument to be made that bashing the dogs to death constitutes cruelty, but if the mode of killing is humane then it’s no more cruel to kill a dog than to kill a chicken. You might argue, as you have, that it’s more _acceptable_ to kill a chicken, but that’s not the same as the issue of cruelty. There are, after all, plenty of people who think that killing cows and pigs and chickens for human consumption is perfectly acceptable, but who still oppose the use of cruel methods in raising and killing those animals. The fact that you seem unable to grasp these concepts says much about your intelligence. [QUOTE=buttonjockey308] Yes, of course, because those are the ONLY things made in China. (and you call _me_ the idiot.) [/quote] Actually, i was making a comment on the types of products that a jerkoff like _you_ would be most likely to have a use for. [QUOTE=buttonjockey308] Fuck you. Yes, see above. [/QUOTE] You can refer back to it all you like; it’s still a moronic argument. ---
**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2006, 3:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/50000-dogs-3-humans-the-new-chinese-math/366912/52 "2006-08-02T03:42:46Z")
[QUOTE=woodstockbirdybird] YOu “dearly wish to eat horse some day”? WTF kind of retarded wish is that? [/QUOTE] I don’t see that it’s especially different from the wish to try any other type of food. If i had never tried, say, bacon, and expressed a wish to eat some, would you say that it was a retarded wish? If not, why is horse any different? ---
**Author:** ![hawksgirl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/ed655f/32.png) [@hawksgirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hawksgirl)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2006, 3:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/50000-dogs-3-humans-the-new-chinese-math/366912/53 "2006-08-02T03:54:13Z")
[QUOTE=woodstockbirdybird] YOu “dearly wish to eat horse some day”? WTF kind of retarded wish is that? [/QUOTE] What’s wrong with it? I’d like to try rabbit someday, even though I used to raise them for show. Its about trying new things and experiences. As stated, horses used to be considered good eatin’, and bunnies too. ---
**Author:** ![WolfpackJeep](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpackjeep/32/2921_2.png) [@WolfpackJeep](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WolfpackJeep)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2006, 4:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/50000-dogs-3-humans-the-new-chinese-math/366912/54 "2006-08-02T04:02:47Z")
😕 I thought horse meat had a reputation for being rather tough. (Or is that just old horses?) ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2006, 4:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/50000-dogs-3-humans-the-new-chinese-math/366912/55 "2006-08-02T04:44:44Z")
[QUOTE=Jeep’s Phoenix] 😕 I thought horse meat had a reputation for being rather tough. (Or is that just old horses?) [/QUOTE] Really. I was under the impression that horsemeat was a joke-that NO ONE in their right mind, would choose to eat it, because it’s unappetizing as hell. ---
**Author:** ![Sublight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/439d5e/32.png) [@Sublight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sublight)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2006, 4:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/50000-dogs-3-humans-the-new-chinese-math/366912/56 "2006-08-02T04:50:33Z")
Actually horsemeat can be quite good. I’ve tried it as sausage and steak (in France) as well as raw (in Japan). The raw meat has a very pleasant flavor. ---
**Author:** ![woodstockbirdybird](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/woodstockbirdybird/32/7905_2.png) [@woodstockbirdybird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/woodstockbirdybird)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2006, 5:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/50000-dogs-3-humans-the-new-chinese-math/366912/57 "2006-08-02T05:52:58Z")
[QUOTE=mhendo] I don’t see that it’s especially different from the wish to try any other type of food. If i had never tried, say, bacon, and expressed a wish to eat some, would you say that it was a retarded wish? If not, why is horse any different? [/QUOTE] I’d say it was retarded if he expressed it as “I dearly wish to eat bacon some day”. It’s the overly dramtic phrasing that amuses me. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2006, 9:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/50000-dogs-3-humans-the-new-chinese-math/366912/58 "2006-08-02T09:29:13Z")
[QUOTE=buttonjockey308] The real pity is, that, like Africa, they’ve had so many thousands of years to perfect an existance, yet still **choose to live** like it’s the 7th goddamn century. [/QUOTE] **BJ** , for that tangential reference, and especially that bolded bit, [you have been invited…](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=382274) you cunt. ---
**Author:** ![Scoundrel\_Swanswater](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/dfb087/32.png) [@Scoundrel\_Swanswater](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scoundrel_Swanswater)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2006, 11:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/50000-dogs-3-humans-the-new-chinese-math/366912/59 "2006-08-02T11:53:07Z")
Of course it is cheaper to bludgeon the dogs to death. Shooting them costs bullets, injecting them costs … death-stuff. Bludgeoning just costs man-power (which I don’t think they are short of in China) and a pole of some sort (a treebranch will work fine). It is all about economics. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2006, 12:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/50000-dogs-3-humans-the-new-chinese-math/366912/60 "2006-08-02T12:30:54Z")
[QUOTE=Honey] Oh my God…Oh my God. I really, really thought this thread was about 3 people eating 50,000 hot dogs. I never would have opened it if I had known what it was really about. It’s going to take a very long time to get the image of dogs being beaten to death in front of their owners out of my mind. [/QUOTE] NOTE: I am putting a link or two at the end of this posting. The reason I am not putting them here is because some people might click on them and then wish they had not. The links describe a current and illegal practice in South Korea. Now that that’s out of the way, may I suggest that you never ever come to South Korea. There is a thriving business, although it is illegal, in serving dog and cat. There is nothing at all nice in the way it’s done. If that’s the way the animals are treated routinely for food, then I would not be surprised at all how horribly an animal mandated by law to die would meet its fate. Good people run this organization: [Korean Animal Protection Society Home](http://www.koreananimals.org/) From the link above, you can click on **video clips** and see the following: Dog hanging; Sungnam dog market; Three dog markets; ITN News coverage. [In Defense of Animals’ page about dog abuse in Korea.](http://www.idausa.org/campaigns/korea/korean.html) [“It’s Their Destiny,”](http://itstheirdestiny.2kat.net/fiction&fact.html%5B/url) a website that points out the blatant lies about this abuse here. Someone’s Jack Russell appears in a cage. One of the lies is that it’s difficult to find places that serve dog meat. Well, if you’re looking for a place that advertises “Dog meat for sale!” then, yes, it’s difficult. On the other hand, if you’re looking for a place that advertises the euphimism for dog meat (“Bo-Shin Tang”/“Health Promotion Stew” IIRC), then all you have to do is walk into any neighborhood in any city and go to such a restaurant. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/50000-dogs-3-humans-the-new-chinese-math/366912.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/50000-dogs-3-humans-the-new-chinese-math/366912.md?page=4)