# 520 murders? Fine. 521 murders? Disgusting! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [November 14, 2003, 3:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/520-murders-fine-521-murders-disgusting/213253 "2003-11-14T15:43:23Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Doomtrain](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/0ea827/32.png) [@Doomtrain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Doomtrain)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2003, 5:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/520-murders-fine-521-murders-disgusting/213253/21 "2003-11-14T17:36:01Z")
I’ll quote my Film professor, “I thought I loved blood before. But man, now I _REALLY_ love blood.” Sign me up for the Shithead list, but I thought it was a great, great movie. I wonder if you were sitting by my grandparents, they do this all the time, and not just with movies. Some examples: Grandmother: Well, I _tried_ to read that Anne Rice book, but it had SO MUCH blood and they were drinking blood… Me: You mean “Interview With The Vampire?” The book that’s about a vampire? With the word “vampire” in the title? Vampires drink blood? Same thing happened with _Fight Club_ (“It was too violent!”). ---
**Author:** ![Anamorphic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/anamorphic/32/3057_2.png) [@Anamorphic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Anamorphic)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2003, 5:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/520-murders-fine-521-murders-disgusting/213253/22 "2003-11-14T17:41:30Z")
**LonesomePolecat** , would you mind starting a website, or perhaps a newsletter? See, I’m afraid of being considered a ‘shithead’, but clearly, myself and many others just aren’t aware of what movies we should not enjoy to avoid becoming so. Someone such as yourself, who is clearly on top of these things, would be a huge help to us. Please also include sections on what art, literature, and music we shouldn’t enjoy or run the risk of becoming ‘contemptible beyond words’. I am so looking forward to having someone dictate my tastes for me! It’ll make things so much easier, and before long, as long as we follow your guidelines, I’m sure all art will be bland and sterile, without any risk of offending anyone. Just like it should be. Yay! ---
**Author:** ![Anamorphic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/anamorphic/32/3057_2.png) [@Anamorphic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Anamorphic)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2003, 5:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/520-murders-fine-521-murders-disgusting/213253/23 "2003-11-14T17:51:15Z")
Oh, and as for the OP… not quite a walkout story, but something rather similar. When I saw the _Pianist_, the elderly couple behind me continuously commented on the conduct of the Nazis. “Oh, that’s not nice!” “I can’t believe they just shot him like that!” “Oh, that’s terrible!”… etc. Did you miss the part about them being NAZIS!? During the HOLOCAUST!? ---
**Author:** ![Binarydrone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/3da27b/32.png) [@Binarydrone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Binarydrone)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2003, 6:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/520-murders-fine-521-murders-disgusting/213253/24 "2003-11-14T18:34:21Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by LonesomePolecat \* > \*\*Yes, anyone who likes this film is pretty much a shithead. Anyone who actually \* defends \* this film as “art” is a colossal shithead. And anyone who thinks that it’s “just a matter of taste” is contemptible beyond words. \*\* OK, I know that a lot of folks are making fun of you in this thread but I am not going to be one of them. I would, however, appreciate it if you expand on the stance that you are taking here, as it touches on some important things. So, from the snippets that you have posted in this thread, I take it that you find the movie itself to be sadistic and without artistic merit. Further, you seem to be passing judgment on folks that do find art in this film. Talk about that a bit. What other art would you place in this bin? How is this philosophy working out for you, and how did you come by it? Are there objective standards involved? Seriously, I would love to hear more about this, as this way of thinking is a little foreign to me. ---
**Author:** ![typhoon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ed8c4c/32.png) [@typhoon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/typhoon)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2003, 6:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/520-murders-fine-521-murders-disgusting/213253/25 "2003-11-14T18:57:43Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by LonesomePolecat \* > \*\*The bizarre thing is that a bunch of shitheads actually think this piece of sadistic, degenerate crap is “art,” and actually worth watching. \*\* I haven’t seen the movie and thus have no opinions regarding it, so I’m just throwing in my unbiased observation that you’re an idiot. ---
**Author:** ![Rhum\_Runner](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/2bfe46/32.png) [@Rhum\_Runner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rhum_Runner)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2003, 7:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/520-murders-fine-521-murders-disgusting/213253/26 "2003-11-14T19:00:37Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by LonesomePolecat \* > \*\*Yes, anyone who likes this film is pretty much a shithead. Anyone who actually \* defends \* this film as “art” is a colossal shithead. And anyone who thinks that it’s “just a matter of taste” is contemptible beyond words. \*\* I took my six year old niece to it, and she loved it. We may go back again this Saturday. ---
**Author:** ![LibrarySpy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/f9ae1b/32.png) [@LibrarySpy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LibrarySpy)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2003, 7:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/520-murders-fine-521-murders-disgusting/213253/27 "2003-11-14T19:16:04Z")
I saw it and I **didn’t** like it–Not enough substance, violence was too much for me in some parts, and Uma Thurman cannot act. I still think **LonesomePolecat** is an idiot. ---
**Author:** ![El\_Cid\_Viscoso](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/41988e/32.png) [@El\_Cid\_Viscoso](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Cid_Viscoso)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2003, 7:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/520-murders-fine-521-murders-disgusting/213253/28 "2003-11-14T19:19:06Z")
Consider me a probable shithead. ---
**Author:** ![World\_Eater](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f04885/32.png) [@World\_Eater](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/World_Eater)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2003, 7:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/520-murders-fine-521-murders-disgusting/213253/29 "2003-11-14T19:44:02Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Rhum Runner \* > \*\*I took my six year old niece to it, \*\* :eek: ---
**Author:** ![Hamlet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hamlet/32/2818_2.png) [@Hamlet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamlet)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2003, 7:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/520-murders-fine-521-murders-disgusting/213253/30 "2003-11-14T19:58:21Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Rhum Runner \* > \*\*I took my six year old niece to it, and she loved it. We may go back again this Saturday. \*\* :mad: ---
**Author:** ![Rhum\_Runner](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/2bfe46/32.png) [@Rhum\_Runner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rhum_Runner)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2003, 8:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/520-murders-fine-521-murders-disgusting/213253/31 "2003-11-14T20:01:12Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Hamlet \* > :mad: > [@](#): > > :eek: :dubious: ---
**Author:** ![World\_Eater](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f04885/32.png) [@World\_Eater](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/World_Eater)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2003, 8:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/520-murders-fine-521-murders-disgusting/213253/32 "2003-11-14T20:11:08Z")
Can I ask why? ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2003, 8:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/520-murders-fine-521-murders-disgusting/213253/33 "2003-11-14T20:44:35Z")
Well, I hope you took your neice to an early show, because it’s not good for kids to be kept up late. ---
**Author:** ![Count\_Blucher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/c5a1d2/32.png) [@Count\_Blucher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Count_Blucher)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2003, 8:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/520-murders-fine-521-murders-disgusting/213253/34 "2003-11-14T20:45:38Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Binarydrone \* > \*\*Talk about that a bit. What other art would you place in this bin? How is this philosophy working out for you, and how did you come by it? Are there objective standards involved? Seriously, I would love to hear more about this, as this way of thinking is a little foreign to me. \*\* **Binarydrone** , I was hoping you’d ask him if his philosophy contributed in any way to the ‘Lonesome’ part of his screen name. That and maybe he ought to wear blinders around any John Woo movie also. If you don’t like Quentin Tarantino, John Woo would make your Head Explode\*. \*Usually by Chow Yun-Fat, while he’s in mid-air leap, from the barrels of twin Browning .45s. ---
**Author:** ![Bren\_Cameron\_1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7bcc69/32.png) [@Bren\_Cameron\_1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bren_Cameron_1)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2003, 9:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/520-murders-fine-521-murders-disgusting/213253/35 "2003-11-14T21:03:26Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Bryan Ekers \* > \*\*Well, I hope you took your neice to an early show, because it’s not good for kids to be kept up late. \*\* I completely agree. That’s why when my six year old saw Pulp Fiction, it was on tape, at home, so she could get to bed at a decent hour and wouldn’t bother the other theater-goers if she got antsy. I plan to wait for the DVD release of Kill Bill before she gets to see it, even though she’s been begging me. You don’t know how glad I am that they only make movies fit for six-year-olds these days. I never have to worry that anyone might see or think something, you know, disturbing. Because if it’s disturbing, it must be wrong. ---
**Author:** ![5que](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/5/3bc359/32.png) [@5que](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/5que)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2003, 9:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/520-murders-fine-521-murders-disgusting/213253/36 "2003-11-14T21:08:27Z")
I took my 15 year old daughter, and she loved it. Of course, she has a black belt in Tae Kwon Do, is currently studying Jeet Kune Do, and swings a pretty mean sword herself. Dad swung a pretty good bokken in his Aikido days, too. ---
**Author:** ![Elza\_B](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Elza\_B](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elza_B)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2003, 9:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/520-murders-fine-521-murders-disgusting/213253/37 "2003-11-14T21:13:09Z")
My roomie and I went to see South Park: Bigger, Longer and Uncut in the theatres right after it came out. About one minute into “Uncle Fucker”, he and I were practically rolling on the floor in tears from laughing so hard, and three couples had gotten up and walked out. We looked at each other and said “Did they not THINK South Park would be vulgar?”. I mean, holy shit. Do some fucking research, people. Even better was the woman bitching to the poor kid behind the ticket window about how he had sold her and her small child tickets to a PORNOGRAPHIC CARTOON! I don’t think she got her money back. Ava ---
**Author:** ![thirdwarning](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ecccb3/32.png) [@thirdwarning](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thirdwarning)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2003, 9:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/520-murders-fine-521-murders-disgusting/213253/38 "2003-11-14T21:34:17Z")
I won’t be seeing this movie, nor have I seen Reservoir Dogs, even though it’s one of my son’s favorites. I have heard part of RD, since he has it on VHS, and the player and the computer are in the same room. Personally, I don’t understand the point of movies with so much graphic violence, but I’m willing to concede that there’s something I’m just not getting. Still won’t be watching it, because it just isn’t something I can do. However, what the heck difference does it make to you whether these people decide to stay or go? Unless they had to crawl over you, or made a big stink about it, I think they are entitled to make that decision without you trying to make if for them. Yes, it didn’t take much reading for me to see that this was way too violent a movie for my taste, but some people don’t read every word that comes in front of them. And as for walking out late in the movie, maybe it was kind of a cumulative thing. Maybe they hit their “violence quotient” at that point. Or maybe the stuff at the beginning seemed to have a different significance to them. Anyway, as I said, why does it matter to you? Unless you’re insisting that everybody has to share your taste in entertainment. And I know this thread sounds pretty cranky, but it’s really not being “said” in that tone of voice. Try to imagine it down a couple of decibel levels. ---
**Author:** ![Amp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Amp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Amp)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2003, 9:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/520-murders-fine-521-murders-disgusting/213253/39 "2003-11-14T21:56:50Z")
I think the point is if that you are not an informed consumer then you have no right to complain when the product or service you purchase, in this case the viewing of a motion picutre, is not what you thought it would be. ---
**Author:** ![Syzygy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bc79bd/32.png) [@Syzygy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Syzygy)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2003, 10:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/520-murders-fine-521-murders-disgusting/213253/40 "2003-11-14T22:12:14Z")
What is it with this flick? Second time I saw it (yep, yet another shithead - a double shithead?) a couple got up just as the blue room fight started. I heard the guy say “This is SOOO stupid!” as he passed me, as if to inform me that my choice to stay was equally so. I said, “I’m glad you enjoyed it. Bye!” Now I realize it’s not the same as being disgusted, but why wait that long to leave? I mean, it’s not as though the movie suddenly got worse or something. It was Tarantino through and through, right from Uma’s closeup. And keep your opinions to yourself, for the love of Bob. Oh, and what **Amp** said. Sheesh. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/520-murders-fine-521-murders-disgusting/213253.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/520-murders-fine-521-murders-disgusting/213253.md?page=3)