# 520 murders? Fine. 521 murders? Disgusting! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [November 14, 2003, 3:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/520-murders-fine-521-murders-disgusting/213253 "2003-11-14T15:43:23Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![wring](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/838e76/32.png) [@wring](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wring)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2003, 10:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/520-murders-fine-521-murders-disgusting/213253/41 "2003-11-14T22:19:29Z")
[/quote] _originally posted by Anamorphic_\*\*Did you miss the part about them being NAZIS!? During the HOLOCAUST!? \*\* [/QUOTE] I’m sure they thought it was going to be about those warm, fuzzy, cute Nazis, you know, like _Hogans Heros_ or something. ---
**Author:** ![armedmonkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/d6d6ee/32.png) [@armedmonkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/armedmonkey)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2003, 10:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/520-murders-fine-521-murders-disgusting/213253/42 "2003-11-14T22:19:37Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by quietman1920 \* > \*\ ***Binarydrone** , I was hoping you’d ask him if his philosophy contributed in any way to the ‘Lonesome’ part of his screen name. [/SIZE] \*\* It occurs to me that “polecat” is another name for a skunk, an animal known for spraying a foul smelling substance from it’s rear and then running off. Seems about right. ---
**Author:** ![wring](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/838e76/32.png) [@wring](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wring)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2003, 10:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/520-murders-fine-521-murders-disgusting/213253/43 "2003-11-14T22:20:30Z")
please insert (- /) where appropriate) thank you. ---
**Author:** ![Beltane](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/aca169/32.png) [@Beltane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beltane)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2003, 10:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/520-murders-fine-521-murders-disgusting/213253/44 "2003-11-14T22:48:06Z")
Personally, I had to laugh to myself several years ago when a couple asked for there money back because of how offensive a certain movie was. The odd thing is, they stayed through the entire movie, with their young child. The name of the movie was **SEX CRIMES** ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2003, 11:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/520-murders-fine-521-murders-disgusting/213253/45 "2003-11-14T23:28:06Z")
> [@](#): > > _Originally posted by LonesomePolecat_ > **Yes, anyone who likes this film is pretty much a shithead. Anyone who actually defends this film as “art” is a colossal shithead. And anyone who thinks that it’s “just a matter of taste” is contemptible beyond words.** > > _Originally posted by Binarydrone_ > **OK, I know that a lot of folks are making fun of you in this thread but I am not going to be one of them.** I am. Or I would, if I thought it was worth the trouble, beyond a couple of short paragraphs. See, it’s fairly evident that **LonesomePolecat** doesn’t just have his head in his ass, he has firmly cemented it in place, and is wearing around his neck a big red sign reading, “Warning: Do not attempt to remove my head from my ass,” while keeping a head-in-ass-defending Rottweiler handy on a short leash. I think people know from reading my posts that I’m a hard-core movie fan, and that my opinion on various titles and associated subjects is at least listened to, whether or not it’s agreed with. And I can state, firmly and with absolute conviction, that _Kill Bill_ is a well-made, thematically consistent work of cinematic art with a solid thesis at its core. It’s easy to dismiss as just another bit of mindless “chop socky,” but the more you know about the genres being dissected and intermingled, and about film in general, the more obvious the movie’s angle of attack becomes. This requires some actual knowledge on the subject, though, a burden with which **LonesomePolecat** is clearly unafflicted. Or, to borrow someone else’s words: > [@](#): > > Because movies (and by extension, television) are so damned accessible — they are the “common denominator” art forms of the masses, as pulp magazines and radio dramas were before them — they lie naked to the attentions of both the wise and the foolish. Where criticism of work in the print mediums requires _having to read_ and (one hopes) a heightened degree of insight, if not good old simple common sense, as well as (again, one can only hope) some background in the form being discussed, anyone who plonks down the price of a ticket feels equipped to pontificate on a film. > > _—Harlan Ellison’s Watching_ In short, **LonesomePolecat** ’s opinion plonks into this thread in much the same way my turds plonk into the toilet bowl. I’m not suggesting that he run away and darken our towels no more, but I am saying that if he continues to behave as an ass then he should expect those of us who are smarter than he is to point and snicker. Further, the deponent sayeth not. ---
**Author:** ![Tars\_Tarkas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Tars\_Tarkas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tars_Tarkas)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2003, 11:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/520-murders-fine-521-murders-disgusting/213253/46 "2003-11-14T23:36:46Z")
i wonder why he’s so lonesome… ---
**Author:** ![CrazyCatLady](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/dfb087/32.png) [@CrazyCatLady](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CrazyCatLady)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2003, 11:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/520-murders-fine-521-murders-disgusting/213253/47 "2003-11-14T23:57:34Z")
I’m guessing it’s the smell, personally. ---
**Author:** ![Rhum\_Runner](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/2bfe46/32.png) [@Rhum\_Runner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rhum_Runner)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2003, 12:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/520-murders-fine-521-murders-disgusting/213253/48 "2003-11-15T00:00:10Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Bryan Ekers \* > \*\*Well, I hope you took your neice to an early show, because it’s not good for kids to be kept up late. \*\* Oh we did. 4 o’clock show. Guys - I’m kidding, I didn’t take my niece to this movie, in fact I don’t have a niece at all. I just thought it would dovetail in nicely with what’s her name who thinks the movie is the worst thing ever and everyone who likes it is a dip shit. I think **Bryan** caught that. ---
**Author:** ![DocCathode](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/doccathode/32/18773_2.png) [@DocCathode](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DocCathode)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2003, 12:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/520-murders-fine-521-murders-disgusting/213253/49 "2003-11-15T00:09:28Z")
Why is he Lonesome? Could it be because Lonesome Polecat is the name of a character from the classic strip Lil Abner??? Specifically the Indian who hung out with Hairless Joe distilling and drinking copious amounts of the 1000 proof Kickapoo Joy Juice? And don’t we also have a Daisy Mae? I know we had a Jubilation T Cornpone. Not that I agree with Lonesome. But, I’m shocked that none of you are familiar with the brilliance that is Lil Abner. ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2003, 2:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/520-murders-fine-521-murders-disgusting/213253/50 "2003-11-15T02:27:46Z")
Hell, **Doc** , I grew up on L’il Abner. Remember Slobbovia? Remember Students Wildly Indignant about Nearly Everything (S.W.I.N.E.)? But that was a long, long time ago, in a galaxy far, far away. I’d practically forgotten minor characters like Hairless Joe and Lonesome Polecat. ---
**Author:** ![Zebra](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/c0e974/32.png) [@Zebra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zebra)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2003, 6:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/520-murders-fine-521-murders-disgusting/213253/51 "2003-11-15T06:32:53Z")
About the title. It only reads Kill Bill. The title is not Kill 89 or so Japanese Gansters and assorted others and excuse me but Isn’t Bill one of the few people that ISN’T Killed? So really the title is very misleading. However… Perhaps the older couple were disappointed that the film wasn’t violent enough? Perhaps they wanted more guttings and few decaptations? Perhaps the film made them really randy and the wanted to get home rather than have sex in the theatre? (Is this post disgusting yet? Should I go on?) ---
**Author:** ![Mikahw](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e9bcb4/32.png) [@Mikahw](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mikahw)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2003, 10:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/520-murders-fine-521-murders-disgusting/213253/52 "2003-11-15T10:58:47Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Zebra \* > > Isn’t Bill one of the few people that ISN’T Killed? Well, not in the first volume. There is, of course, volume 2, coming out near the end of February. I could see how someone could be misled, as not everyone researches every movie they go to. The trailers (which, of course, had to be edited) showed no blood at all. Then again, there was the big fat **R** next to the movie’s title on the marquee. R is quite a wide category, though. ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2003, 12:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/520-murders-fine-521-murders-disgusting/213253/53 "2003-11-15T12:03:52Z")
I, too, am contemptable beyond words. I liked it. I didn’t _love_ it, but it was stylish and enjoyable. But I could have done without the gushing blood. I have nothing against bloodletting _per se_… But dammit, we just don’t gush blood like that when our limbs are severed. I couldn’t gush blood like that if you jammed an air hose up my ass and cut off my head! And these guys are spewing _gallons_… That’s my only complaint with it, really. ---
**Author:** ![gobear](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/8dc957/32.png) [@gobear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gobear)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2003, 1:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/520-murders-fine-521-murders-disgusting/213253/54 "2003-11-15T13:30:50Z")
> [@](#): > > But dammit, we just don’t gush blood like that when our limbs are severed. I couldn’t gush blood like that if you jammed an air hose up my ass and cut off my head! And these guys are spewing gallons But that’s part of the deliberate artifice of the movie; the whole conceit of **Kill Bill** is that it’s an Americanized martial arts movie of the kind that used to be shown in drive-ins in the 70s. At the very beginning the film, the screen shows a Shaw Brothers logo and then a 1970s-vintage drive-in theatre coming attractions title card. By this device, Tarantino is saying as clear as a Shaolin Temple bell, “Folks, this is movieland, pure cinema that is not meant to portray the real world in any way, so get ready for highly stylized, completely non-naturalistic, martial arts revenge drama.” ---
**Author:** ![Ben\_Hicks](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/bbce88/32.png) [@Ben\_Hicks](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ben_Hicks)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2003, 1:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/520-murders-fine-521-murders-disgusting/213253/55 "2003-11-15T13:37:20Z")
**Rysler** > [@](#): > > I saw it and I didn’t like it–Not enough substance, violence was too much for me in some parts, and Uma Thurman cannot act. - _cough_Pulp fiction_cough_ _coughcough_Gattaca_coughcough_ _cough_Tape_cough_ _cough_Batman and Ro…uh, nevermind\* 🙂 - It’s worth pointing out that Uma’s wooden performance in the lead follows the conventions of the genre. She’s a much beter actress than you’d ever think if you just watched Kill Bill. ---
**Author:** ![Sublight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/439d5e/32.png) [@Sublight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sublight)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2003, 3:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/520-murders-fine-521-murders-disgusting/213253/56 "2003-11-15T15:38:26Z")
I’m not going to call anyone here names, but this one doesn’t look like it’s worth the ticket price, so I’ll give it a miss until the video release. When I first saw the trailers, it looked interesting, but now that I’ve watched a total of 4 hours of Kill Bill clips (the gym has their center TV in front of the treadmills set to run the extended trailer on constant loop for some reason) the impression I get is of two video store clerks fantasizing about what the ultimate movie would be. I imagine the phrase “Dude, that’d be so fuckin’ cool!” being used a lot. “Ok, dude, get this: some assassin chick fighting against a ninja Japanese schoolgirl.” “Dude, that’d be so fuckin’ cool! But then have her going against a geisha assassin with an army of yakuza!” “Dude! That’d be sooo fuckin’ coool! But have all the yakuza dressed like Kato from The Green Hornet!” “_Duuuude_! That’d be sooo fuckin’ _cooool_!” ---
**Author:** ![Doomtrain](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/0ea827/32.png) [@Doomtrain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Doomtrain)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2003, 5:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/520-murders-fine-521-murders-disgusting/213253/57 "2003-11-15T17:14:00Z")
Oddly enough, though I’ve never worked in a video store, I used “Dude, that was so fucking cool” throughout the movie… ---
**Author:** ![Doomtrain](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/0ea827/32.png) [@Doomtrain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Doomtrain)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2003, 5:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/520-murders-fine-521-murders-disgusting/213253/58 "2003-11-15T17:16:16Z")
Oh yea, and “Holy shit!” featured, as well. ---
**Author:** ![Sublight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/439d5e/32.png) [@Sublight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sublight)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2003, 5:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/520-murders-fine-521-murders-disgusting/213253/59 "2003-11-15T17:17:31Z")
No doubt, it probably is cool. Fucking cool, even. It’s just that what I’ve seen so far hasn’t indicated any existence of a plot. Anyway, it looks like it’ll be fine for a Saturday night rental. ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2003, 5:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/520-murders-fine-521-murders-disgusting/213253/60 "2003-11-15T17:21:35Z")
Well, I’m not a shithead yet, I think, but I’m planning to see _Kill Bill_ this weekend, so I’ll be one by Monday. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/520-murders-fine-521-murders-disgusting/213253.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/520-murders-fine-521-murders-disgusting/213253.md?page=4)