# 520 murders? Fine. 521 murders? Disgusting! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [November 14, 2003, 3:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/520-murders-fine-521-murders-disgusting/213253 "2003-11-14T15:43:23Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 5\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![stick\_monkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/258eb7/32.png) [@stick\_monkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/stick_monkey)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2003, 3:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/520-murders-fine-521-murders-disgusting/213253/101 "2003-11-20T15:10:51Z")
> [@](#): > > I don’t remember Purple Rain being like that at ALL. And I don’t remember losing the ability to spell, No, either. 😉 > [@](#): > > If you re-edited the film into a sequential narrative you would watch it and say to yourself, “What the hell did I think was so great about that?” The movies sucks. So you are left with nothing but a gimmick movie. It would have been more interesting if he had chosen 3D as his gimmick at least you could have watched pieces of people flying off the screen as they are mutilated. I already did this once as a project in film studies in college (by taking the DVD chapters and playing them in 'chronilogical order). I still thought the movie was good. It’s not his best work, and I wouldn’t fawn all over QT as a ‘genius’ if I met him, but I definately consider him a good writer/filmaker. Just because **you** don’t like something, doesn’t necessarily make it bad, **Degrance**. I don’t like 19th century English novels, I don’t like pop-art, I don’t like ballet, and I don’t like movies about ‘challenged’ people. That doesn’t mean I should come in here and call everyone who does like those things Bullshiters because they happen to disagree with me and have valid reasons why. ---
**Author:** ![DeadlyAccurate](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ac91a4/32.png) [@DeadlyAccurate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DeadlyAccurate)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2003, 3:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/520-murders-fine-521-murders-disgusting/213253/102 "2003-11-20T15:14:10Z")
Well, to be fair, **Degrance** wasn’t the one who called everyone shitheads. That was LonesomePolecat. ---
**Author:** ![Bren\_Cameron\_1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7bcc69/32.png) [@Bren\_Cameron\_1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bren_Cameron_1)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2003, 3:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/520-murders-fine-521-murders-disgusting/213253/103 "2003-11-20T15:19:58Z")
**Degrance** , you need to apply yourself a little harder to your studies. Or change your major. I’m not going to say that QT is a genius, or that Pulp Fiction is the best movie ever made. And I’m not a student of film. But coming at that story from a writing viewpoint, whether it was profound our not it was indeed a carefully, tightly and meticulously crafted plot. You might want to consider watching the movie while you’re not chemically altered, or when you’re not talking on the phone or learning to tap dance. If you were actually paying the utmost attention, then I fear for your grades. And before you insist your grades are good and your teachers love you, please re-check the sign outside your classroom–the one that reads “Kindergarden.” ---
**Author:** ![gobear](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/8dc957/32.png) [@gobear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gobear)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2003, 4:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/520-murders-fine-521-murders-disgusting/213253/104 "2003-11-20T16:47:00Z")
> [@](#): > > There is no story! There are several vignettes in the film that have little or no relevance to any other scene, whatever order you screen them in. You could remove whole scenes from the movie and not detract from the overall experience and there are only a few scenes whose removal would be noticed. Actually, you can’t. I first saw **Pulp Fiction** in a Korean cinema (the Chongno Cinema near Pagoda Park in Seoul), where all the scenes that depicted drug-taking and violence were excised. This made the movie almost impossible to understand. Why did Mia pass out and why is she bleeding from the nose? Why are Jules and Vincent washing a bloody car? The film is so tightly woven that to cut any part of it renders the whole meaningless. As for your criticisms of the film’s structure, I will allow [Roger Ebert](http://www.suntimes.com/ebert/greatmovies/pulp_fiction.html) to retort: > [@](#): > > The movie’s circular, self-referential structure is famous; the restaurant hold-up with Pumpkin and Honey Bunny (Tim Roth and Amanda Plummer) begins and ends the film, and other story lines weave in and out of strict chronology. But there is a chronology in the dialogue, in the sense that what is said before invariably sets up or enriches what comes after. The dialogue is proof that Tarantino had the time-juggling in mind from the very beginning, because there’s never a glitch; the scenes do not follow in chronological order, but the dialogue always knows exactly where it falls in the movie. I repeat, you do not have the faintest notion of film analysis, not because you dislike the film, but because your explanation shows that you don’t know what to look for in a film’s editing, direction, or writing. ---
**Author:** ![stick\_monkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/258eb7/32.png) [@stick\_monkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/stick_monkey)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2003, 2:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/520-murders-fine-521-murders-disgusting/213253/105 "2003-11-25T14:45:15Z")
> [@](#): > > Well, to be fair, Degrance wasn’t the one who called everyone shitheads. That was LonesomePolecat. Right, **Degrance** said… > [@](#): > > To which I call BS. referring to people defending the movie pulp fiction on its artistic merits, which is what I was referring to, when I said ‘call them BullShitters’ (or something similar). [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/520-murders-fine-521-murders-disgusting/213253.md?page=5)