# 6 January 2021; A Day worth a Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [January 6, 2021, 4:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/6-january-2021-a-day-worth-a-thread/929770 "2021-01-06T04:30:45Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 56
**Author:** ![psychobunny](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/54ee81/32.png) [@psychobunny](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/psychobunny)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2021, 3:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/6-january-2021-a-day-worth-a-thread/929770/1103 "2021-01-07T03:26:26Z")
2020: Worst year ever 2021: Hold my beer ---
**Author:** ![Princhester](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3e96dc/32.png) [@Princhester](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Princhester)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2021, 3:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/6-january-2021-a-day-worth-a-thread/929770/1104 "2021-01-07T03:26:49Z")
No, read **ThelmaLou’s** cite carefully. _Initially_ Trump “rebuffed and resisted” requests to mobilize the NG. Then there were more conversations and ultimately Trump delegated - he said to the acting secretary that he should take any necessary steps to support civilian law enforcement requests in securing the Capitol and federal buildings. No doubt civilian law enforcement requested support, and that support was then provided, in accordance with Trump’s delegation. In other words, more bluntly, Trump the populist ditherer didn’t want to be seen to be giving the order to call out the NG on His People, so he washed his hands of it by saying “you are authorised to do what you gotta do, I’m not going to be seen to do it”. ---
**Author:** ![JRDelirious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jrdelirious/32/9531_2.png) [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2021, 3:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/6-january-2021-a-day-worth-a-thread/929770/1105 "2021-01-07T03:28:55Z")
Seems the Senate is well on the way to crushing the objections. The House will be a greater annoyance due to the larger number of people who’d need convincing to behave themselves. > [@wolfman](#): > > My understanding is that they were deployed under the authorization of the Sec of Def, and Pence simply managed the details of that deployment. Right, same here. SecDef was told “your call” and Pence being the one actually under siege would be the one to speak with. As **Princhester** said, it’s DJT doing his usual “_ **I** _ never said THAT” schtick. That way if all goes to hell he can say “well that’s because _you_ were _weak_, I would have solved it easy if they’d let me”. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2021, 3:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/6-january-2021-a-day-worth-a-thread/929770/1106 "2021-01-07T03:29:29Z")
> [@Princhester](#): > > didn’t want to be seen to be giving the order to call out the NG on His People, so he washed his hands of it by saying “you are authorised to do what you gotta do, I’m not going to be seen to do it”. Pontius Pilate? ---
**Author:** ![Jungian\_Camisole1](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jungian_camisole1/32/3646_2.png) [@Jungian\_Camisole1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jungian_Camisole1)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2021, 3:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/6-january-2021-a-day-worth-a-thread/929770/1107 "2021-01-07T03:30:07Z")
> [@psychobunny](#): > > 2020: Worst year ever > 2021: Hold my beer Six days in, and it has has already been a surreal year. ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2021, 3:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/6-january-2021-a-day-worth-a-thread/929770/1108 "2021-01-07T03:31:33Z")
Rubio is saying objecting is stupid after what happened today. And he’s saying that what happened today was like what was going on in Cuba and why Cubans left, and talking about how our enemies are laughing at us. Not what I expected. ---
**Author:** ![asterion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/4da419/32.png) [@asterion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asterion)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2021, 3:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/6-january-2021-a-day-worth-a-thread/929770/1109 "2021-01-07T03:31:42Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > Pontius Pilate? Eh, at least Pilate was all “There’s no violation of Roman law here; if you’ve got a problem with this guy deal with it yourselves.” ---
**Author:** ![rocking\_chair](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rocking_chair/32/2918_2.png) [@rocking\_chair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rocking_chair)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2021, 3:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/6-january-2021-a-day-worth-a-thread/929770/1110 "2021-01-07T03:31:54Z")
House is voting. This takes quite a while as they vote in clumps. ---
**Author:** ![Princhester](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3e96dc/32.png) [@Princhester](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Princhester)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2021, 3:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/6-january-2021-a-day-worth-a-thread/929770/1111 "2021-01-07T03:32:02Z")
Inverted, but yes ---
**Author:** ![asterion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/4da419/32.png) [@asterion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asterion)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2021, 3:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/6-january-2021-a-day-worth-a-thread/929770/1112 "2021-01-07T03:32:41Z")
Honestly, why do these things still have to be done by voice roll call? Can’t we rig up some sort of buzzer system? ---
**Author:** ![galen\_ubal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/galen_ubal/32/4440_2.png) [@galen\_ubal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/galen_ubal)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2021, 3:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/6-january-2021-a-day-worth-a-thread/929770/1113 "2021-01-07T03:32:45Z")
[Here’s the live C-SPAN link to the House.](https://www.c-span.org/video/?507663-1/house-resumes-certification-electoral-college-vote&live) @asterion, the House is using electronic devices - 'course, there’s a lot more of them. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2021, 3:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/6-january-2021-a-day-worth-a-thread/929770/1114 "2021-01-07T03:35:16Z")
Ddamn; Marco Rubio is still an idiot. ---
**Author:** ![Mike\_Mabes](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mike_mabes/32/1782_2.png) [@Mike\_Mabes](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mike_Mabes)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2021, 3:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/6-january-2021-a-day-worth-a-thread/929770/1115 "2021-01-07T03:36:03Z")
> [@Princhester](#): > > The US body politic has enough rips and tears in it at the moment that it may well not survive. Adding another, in the form of invocation of the 25th Amendment, in my view probably just makes the position worse. I keep debating this. Trump could do a lot of damage as President. He could order bombs dropped on Iran. But maybe that can be handled, like drunk Nixon in his final days. Whatever Trump says, Pence says Sure Mr. President. And then does nothing. OTOH, if he is removed, his Twitter goes away. Even FOX is not going to take his calls. ---
**Author:** ![JRDelirious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jrdelirious/32/9531_2.png) [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2021, 3:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/6-january-2021-a-day-worth-a-thread/929770/1116 "2021-01-07T03:36:11Z")
In the House there is a remote device, but it’s a limited number of terminals and the members have to insert or tap a card to verify its them voting, and NP has been very insistent in that they will observe separation any time that they possibly can. In the Senate it is by roll and by the clerk actually seeing/hearing the individual Senator vote to verify it’s them. ---
**Author:** ![Riemann](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/riemann/32/3133_2.png) [@Riemann](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Riemann)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2021, 3:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/6-january-2021-a-day-worth-a-thread/929770/1117 "2021-01-07T03:36:12Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > President Trump initially rebuffed and resisted requests to mobilize the National Guard to quell violent protests at the Capitol, according to a person with knowledge of the events. > > In the end, it was Vice President Mike Pence, defense and administration officials said, who approved the order to deploy. It was unclear why Mr. Trump, who is still technically the commander in chief, did not give the order. The mobilization was initiated with the help of Pat A. Cipollone, the White House counsel, among other officials, according to the person with knowledge of the events. > > Kash Patel, the chief of staff to Chris Miller, the acting defense secretary, responded: “The acting secretary and the president have spoken multiple times this week about the request for National Guard personnel in D.C. During these conversations, the president conveyed to the acting secretary that he should take any necessary steps to support civilian law enforcement requests in securing the Capitol and federal buildings.” So it sounds to me like Trump had not explicity given an order to _not_ mobilize the National Guard today, but was perhaps non-responsive, just not interested in talking about it; so after consulting with counsel they decided that his prior standing instructions were adequate cover that Trump had effectively given authorization. It may be bullshit, but it sounds like they have legal cover for mobilizing the National Guard without an explicit order from Trump today. ---
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2021, 3:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/6-january-2021-a-day-worth-a-thread/929770/1118 "2021-01-07T03:36:22Z")
> [@Jungian\_Camisole1](#): > > As I said earlier, perhaps The Amendment Which Will Not Speak Its name has been invoked without announcement. No. Of course not. That’s not how it works. It takes a few days. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2021, 3:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/6-january-2021-a-day-worth-a-thread/929770/1119 "2021-01-07T03:37:45Z")
I guess Lindsey Graham realized that hanging onto individual 1’s coattails wasn’t going to get him anywhere so now he’s on the look for a new bff. ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2021, 3:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/6-january-2021-a-day-worth-a-thread/929770/1120 "2021-01-07T03:38:23Z")
> [@Max\_S](#): > > Yup. Legal authority was through acting secretary of Defense, regardless of whoever was _really_ calling the shots. Does the “acting” SecDef have the authority? “Acting” implies he was never confirmed by the senate. Which circles back to a debate we had here a few months ago…who needs senate confirmation if you can just go with “acting” heads? Which gets weird because “acting” heads still need…some previous confirmation? I forget, it is all very confusing. What this all shows (along with the whole Trump admin) is government-by-norms is no longer workable. It is a fundamentally broken system (and I squarely blame conservatives for breaking it). I do not like our chances to patch those gaping cracks in the system either. ---
**Author:** ![Mike\_Mabes](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mike_mabes/32/1782_2.png) [@Mike\_Mabes](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mike_Mabes)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2021, 3:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/6-january-2021-a-day-worth-a-thread/929770/1121 "2021-01-07T03:38:26Z")
that is the second time today I have heard this. Doesn’t the amendment say “immediately removed from office”? ---
**Author:** ![Riemann](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/riemann/32/3133_2.png) [@Riemann](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Riemann)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2021, 3:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/6-january-2021-a-day-worth-a-thread/929770/1122 "2021-01-07T03:39:36Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > I guess Lindsey Graham realized that hanging onto individual 1’s coattails wasn’t going to get him anywhere so now he’s on the look for a new bff… He was sucking up to Pence pretty good. Maybe he’s angling for being VP for two weeks. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/6-january-2021-a-day-worth-a-thread/929770.md?page=55) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/6-january-2021-a-day-worth-a-thread/929770.md?page=57)