# 6 January 2021; A Day worth a Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [January 6, 2021, 4:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/6-january-2021-a-day-worth-a-thread/929770 "2021-01-06T04:30:45Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 76
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2021, 9:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/6-january-2021-a-day-worth-a-thread/929770/1504 "2021-01-07T09:20:02Z")
> [@Max\_S](#): > > > [@BigT](#): > > > > […] they were insurgents […] > > They tried to install a dictator […] > > she […] was part of an insurrection. > > […] Trump and his attempt to overturn our democracy through force > > Strictly speaking, you are assuming facts not (yet) in evidence. None of these are needed to counter **mikecurtis**. > > ~Max I don’t know if they’re necessary, but they are definitely in evidence. These were people whose stated purpose was to stop the count because they wanted Trump to be the winner. And there would be no way to do that without force. That would be insurgency to install a dictator. I’m not a fan of creating artificial doubt, pretending we don’t know what we’re all quite sure is true. And I’m uninterested in narrowly tailoring my arguments on this day. If someone doesn’t accept those things I said, then I’ll just treat them as holding water for the bad guys at this point. There is no reason to doubt any of it. ---
**Author:** ![mikecurtis](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mikecurtis/32/3284_2.png) [@mikecurtis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mikecurtis)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2021, 9:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/6-january-2021-a-day-worth-a-thread/929770/1505 "2021-01-07T09:20:23Z")
And what did they do when they got in? They sat in the speaker’s chair and took selfies of themselves. I think the reasonable course of action is not to assume that they’re out to kill you. ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2021, 9:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/6-january-2021-a-day-worth-a-thread/929770/1506 "2021-01-07T09:22:37Z")
Not when they’ve stormed a building. Not when they had a stated intention of forcing things. You don’t storm government buildings. You don’t force your way past security. You don’t carry zip ties to try and kidnap people. You seem to want to deny the reality of the situation to get to your claim. It’s as silly as saying you would be okay if your house got broken into, as you’d ahve no way to get it back. ---
**Author:** ![mikecurtis](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mikecurtis/32/3284_2.png) [@mikecurtis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mikecurtis)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2021, 9:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/6-january-2021-a-day-worth-a-thread/929770/1507 "2021-01-07T09:23:30Z")
The only thing I’ve ever denied in this thread is that our Democracy was in any real danger. It was reacting to it like there was was why 4 people are dead. ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2021, 9:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/6-january-2021-a-day-worth-a-thread/929770/1508 "2021-01-07T09:24:19Z")
> [@mikecurtis](#): > > I think the reasonable course of action is not to assume that they’re out to kill you. I don’t think anyone felt they were out to kill anyone. I think everyone felt they were out to thwart the functioning of the US government. That is insurrection and, unsurprisingly, that is against the law. ---
**Author:** ![Max\_S](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/46a35a/32.png) [@Max\_S](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Max_S)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2021, 9:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/6-january-2021-a-day-worth-a-thread/929770/1509 "2021-01-07T09:24:20Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > These were people whose stated purpose was to stop the count because they wanted Trump to be the winner. And there would be no way to do that without force. It does _not_ follow that the people intended to install Trump by force. ~Max ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2021, 9:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/6-january-2021-a-day-worth-a-thread/929770/1510 "2021-01-07T09:26:21Z")
> [@Max\_S](#): > > It does _not_ follow that the people intended to install Trump by force. Was their goal that Trump remain in power? Were they using force to achieve this goal? Then they intended to install Trump by force. ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2021, 9:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/6-january-2021-a-day-worth-a-thread/929770/1511 "2021-01-07T09:26:38Z")
> [@Max\_S](#): > > > [@BigT](#): > > > > These were people whose stated purpose was to stop the count because they wanted Trump to be the winner. And there would be no way to do that without force. > > It does _not_ follow that the people intended to install Trump by force. > > ~Max Yes. It. Does. If you can’t have something happen due to the rules and regulations, the only other possible way is force. Please don’t make me angry by denying reality. ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2021, 9:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/6-january-2021-a-day-worth-a-thread/929770/1512 "2021-01-07T09:28:10Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > Please don’t make me angry by denying reality. Pigs fly. \<\< runs \>\> ---
**Author:** ![Max\_S](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/46a35a/32.png) [@Max\_S](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Max_S)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2021, 9:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/6-january-2021-a-day-worth-a-thread/929770/1513 "2021-01-07T09:28:10Z")
People’s intentions deny reality all the time, especially the people we’re talking about. When the kid gave his name for an interview before, he said he wanted to get a hold of someone and tell them they need an investigation into election fraud, I believe he was telling the truth. ~Max ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2021, 9:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/6-january-2021-a-day-worth-a-thread/929770/1514 "2021-01-07T09:32:46Z")
> [@Max\_S](#): > > People’s intentions deny reality all the time, especially the people we’re talking about. When the kid gave his name for an interview before, he said he wanted to get a hold of someone and tell them they need an investigation into election fraud, I believe he was telling the truth. So your defense is that they’re mentally retarded. Let me ask you this - do you think the morons would have taken “no” for an answer? ---
**Author:** ![AK84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/85e7bf/32.png) [@AK84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AK84)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2021, 9:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/6-january-2021-a-day-worth-a-thread/929770/1515 "2021-01-07T09:35:16Z")
These aren’t the occupied territories buddy. You can’t just shoot people and be done with it. ---
**Author:** ![Max\_S](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/46a35a/32.png) [@Max\_S](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Max_S)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2021, 9:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/6-january-2021-a-day-worth-a-thread/929770/1516 "2021-01-07T09:35:19Z")
> [@Alessan](#): > > Let me ask you this - do you think the morons would have taken “no” for an answer? It’s hard to say. I would guess that some of them would refuse to take no as an answer. Some of them were probably perfectly fine installing Trump as a dictator, and when it comes to threat assessment on the ground, that is a reasonable worst-case assumption. ~Max ---
**Author:** ![Brayne\_Ded](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e9bcb4/32.png) [@Brayne\_Ded](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Brayne_Ded)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2021, 9:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/6-january-2021-a-day-worth-a-thread/929770/1517 "2021-01-07T09:55:08Z")
[running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)Arms of Steel, Leg of Jello [17h](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/6-january-2021-a-day-worth-a-thread/929770/34) > [@The\_Stainless\_Steel\_Rat](#): > > Just turned Trump’s speech on long enough to hear him say he’s going to march with the crowd down to the Capitol to ‘cheer on’ the Senators and Reps. Oh joy. - > No way he can walk that far. Where’s his golf cart? \< If he does march, it will be fun seeing him teetering on the lifts in his shoes, like a teenager wearing her first high heels. Shall we take bets on how far he could march? ---
**Author:** ![Baal\_Houtham](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/baal_houtham/32/13604_2.png) [@Baal\_Houtham](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baal_Houtham)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2021, 10:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/6-january-2021-a-day-worth-a-thread/929770/1518 "2021-01-07T10:03:17Z")
> [@mikecurtis](#): > > An unarmed person is never a threat to an armed one. Never. This is just utter nonsense. That you would type it and post it is disturbing. ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2021, 10:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/6-january-2021-a-day-worth-a-thread/929770/1519 "2021-01-07T10:10:03Z")
> [@Max\_S](#): > > People’s intentions deny reality all the time, especially the people we’re talking about. When the kid gave his name for an interview before, he said he wanted to get a hold of someone and tell them they need an investigation into election fraud, I believe he was telling the truth. Sigh. I guess I’ll do the thing where I overexplain. There is no reason to assume those who forced themselves past the barricades would not use further force. They are already willing to force what they want. There is no reason to believe the guy on camera isn’t going to downplay his intent. In fact, it would be very weird for him not to. Big picture: you are making the insurgents not look as bad. These guys are bad. They stormed our Capitol. They stopped the vote. They made the Senators and Congresspeople fear for their lives (which is why one got shot). They required police and military to come in and stop them. They wouldn’t take “no” or “go away” as an answer. That isn’t the case with people who just want to ask people some questions or let them know something. They don’t force or refuse to take no for an answer. ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2021, 10:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/6-january-2021-a-day-worth-a-thread/929770/1520 "2021-01-07T10:24:30Z")
Sorry if this has already been posted, but it seems that the right-wing lie machine is trying to float the notion that it was really Antifa behind yesterday’s failed putsch. Of course. [Fox News Stars: America Had It Coming. Also Antifa Did It. (thedailybeast.com)](https://www.thedailybeast.com/fox-news-stars-tucker-carlson-laura-ingraham-sean-hannity-say-america-had-it-coming-and-also-antifa-did-it) ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2021, 10:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/6-january-2021-a-day-worth-a-thread/929770/1521 "2021-01-07T10:37:46Z")
> [@Alessan](#): > > > [@galen\_ubal](#): > > > > Looks like she was the first through the broken window; further down that thread is this comment: > > > > > “Police shot her after warning the group NOT to try and come through the windows. The police were in a hallway with several Senators who were sheltering.” > > I’ve served in the military, and if an armed mob broke into my base, I’d warn them to stop, and if they’d continue advancing I’d shoot them. The rules of engagement are perfectly clear in this regard. The only difference is, I’ve never protected anything nearly as important as the U.S. Capitol. This. The police were trying to hold the doorway against the mob on the other side of it, they’d been breaking the windows, and that one woman decided she was going to get up and jump through the window and be the first one through. If she’d gotten through safely, the others would have followed. She got shot, and the line held. > [@Max\_S](#): > > It’s not clear to the extent that this mob was armed. I think most of them were unarmed. IT DOESN’T FUCKING MATTER. A mob can kill people quite easily without weapons. ---
**Author:** ![Fiendish\_Astronaut](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fiendish_astronaut/32/3295_2.png) [@Fiendish\_Astronaut](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiendish_Astronaut)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2021, 10:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/6-january-2021-a-day-worth-a-thread/929770/1522 "2021-01-07T10:40:38Z")
One of the invaders of the Capitol wore a hoodie with “Camp Auschwitz” written above the image of a skull. On the back it said “staff”. Another wore a t-shirt with “6MWE” (6 million wasn’t enough). But these are the “special” people that Trump “loves” ---
**Author:** ![AK84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/85e7bf/32.png) [@AK84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AK84)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2021, 11:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/6-january-2021-a-day-worth-a-thread/929770/1523 "2021-01-07T11:10:59Z")
> [@Fiendish\_Astronaut](#): > > “6MWE” (6 million wasn’t enough). It was actually closer to 70 million. Wonder if that was enough? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/6-january-2021-a-day-worth-a-thread/929770.md?page=75) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/6-january-2021-a-day-worth-a-thread/929770.md?page=77)