# 60 Minutes' Lara Logan - sexually assaulted while covering Egypt Revolution **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [February 15, 2011, 9:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/60-minutes-lara-logan-sexually-assaulted-while-covering-egypt-revolution/571500 "2011-02-15T21:24:06Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2011, 3:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/60-minutes-lara-logan-sexually-assaulted-while-covering-egypt-revolution/571500/61 "2011-02-16T15:22:13Z")
> [@WordMan](#): > > This is what I am concerned about. Twittish commentary. > > Do we need to care about this twit? Is she a lone gunman or part of a bigger media machine? Since I don’t know (or care) who Debbie Schlussel is, I’m OK with dismissing this on the theory that whatever happens in the world, there’s someone out there who will be an asshole about it while getting all the facts wrong. At least it’s not as disgusting as the fact that Mubarak’s people tried to use xenophobia and anti-Semitism to get people to attack journalists and protestors to help them black out the protests. ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2011, 3:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/60-minutes-lara-logan-sexually-assaulted-while-covering-egypt-revolution/571500/62 "2011-02-16T15:37:44Z")
Schussel is probably the worst of the “I hate Muslims” crowd to get a fairly wide distribution (possible exception for Jack Chick and similar preacher-types). She at least has a reason for it - I think her husband was one of the Marines who died in Lebanon. ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2011, 6:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/60-minutes-lara-logan-sexually-assaulted-while-covering-egypt-revolution/571500/63 "2011-02-16T18:58:06Z")
> [@Wallenstein](#): > > Hey, it’s not all bad news… turns out [Debbie Schlussel](http://www.debbieschlussel.com/33031/how-muslims-celebrate-victory-egypts-peaceful-moderate-democratic-protesters/) feels “it kinda warms my heart” to see a left-wing female journalist experience what “real Islam” is like. > > Classy stuff. And … on the other side … [Nir Rosen](http://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/wireStory?id=12932090) implied that it was her just desserts for being a “major war monger.” ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2011, 7:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/60-minutes-lara-logan-sexually-assaulted-while-covering-egypt-revolution/571500/64 "2011-02-16T19:05:55Z")
She’s already released from the hospital and home with her family. Whatever the assault was, it could have been a lot worse if she had been taken somewhere. It’s a good thing the women and the soldiers stepped in to stop the attack. The description of that crowd sounds pretty terrifying for anyone. > [@](#): > > If there’s any silver lining to be had, a person familiar with the matter told the Wall Street Journal that the ordeal, which lasted roughly 20- to 30-minute, "was not a rape. > **[Lara Logan Released From Hospital in "Remarkably Good Spirits"](https://www.eonline.com/news/226486/lara_logan_released_from_hospital_in)** > > 60 Minutes correspondent resting at home five days after being sexually assaulted by an unruly Egyptian mob ---
**Author:** ![An\_Arky](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/87869e/32.png) [@An\_Arky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/An_Arky)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2011, 7:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/60-minutes-lara-logan-sexually-assaulted-while-covering-egypt-revolution/571500/65 "2011-02-16T19:08:23Z")
Jesus, next thing you know, somebody’s going to come out blaming it on her getting pregnant by a married man while in Baghdad. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2011, 7:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/60-minutes-lara-logan-sexually-assaulted-while-covering-egypt-revolution/571500/66 "2011-02-16T19:15:39Z")
Rosen didn’t exactly imply that she deserved it, but he said some offensive things. He at least did apologize and resign and said he had “brought shame on myself and my family,” which shows some level of consciene. As far as I know Schussel (whose comments were far more offensive than Rosen’s) has apologized for nothing, and someone should point out to her that it was Muslims who rescued Logan from the assault. ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2011, 10:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/60-minutes-lara-logan-sexually-assaulted-while-covering-egypt-revolution/571500/67 "2011-02-16T22:14:15Z")
> [@](#): > > If there’s any silver lining to be had, a person familiar with the matter told the Wall Street Journal that the ordeal, which lasted roughly 20- to 30-minute, "was not a rape. What? Are we still operating with the assumption that rape is the _worst_ possible thing that can happen to a woman? A 20-30 minute beating of any sort isn’t somehow horrific enough? Rape is horrible. So is being beaten by a mob for 20-30 minutes. Which is worse? Seems to me both could leave lasting mental trauma. Anyhow - I wish her a speedy recovery. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2011, 10:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/60-minutes-lara-logan-sexually-assaulted-while-covering-egypt-revolution/571500/68 "2011-02-16T22:18:48Z")
It was someone close to Logan (maybe Logan herself) who used those words, so you’ll have to take it up with them. ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Captor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/f17d59/32.png) [@Evil\_Captor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Captor)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2011, 11:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/60-minutes-lara-logan-sexually-assaulted-while-covering-egypt-revolution/571500/69 "2011-02-16T23:04:43Z")
> [@Wallenstein](#): > > Hey, it’s not all bad news… turns out [Debbie Schlussel](http://www.debbieschlussel.com/33031/how-muslims-celebrate-victory-egypts-peaceful-moderate-democratic-protesters/) feels “it kinda warms my heart” to see a left-wing female journalist experience what “real Islam” is like. > > Classy stuff. What makes Schlussel’s gloating puzzling as well as contemptible is that left-wing feminist women were getting all up in Islamic sexism’s face long before the rest of the world was all that interested in the Middle East. Left wing women have never been cheerleaders for Islam that I know of. ---
**Author:** ![Odesio](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/odesio/32/20003_2.png) [@Odesio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Odesio)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2011, 11:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/60-minutes-lara-logan-sexually-assaulted-while-covering-egypt-revolution/571500/70 "2011-02-16T23:20:48Z")
> [@Kolga](#): > > This. Jesus Christ, we need to know the exact type of sexual assault in order to calibrate a level of outrage? This legalistic nitpicking of the definition of sexual assault is just not necessary. [tangent]I was doing some research in a case where a little girl was murdered back in the 1920s for a graduate paper. She was missing for some weeks and when her body was found an article in the paper described evidence that she had been bludgeoned by a brick found nearby but that the decomposition was so severe that it could not be determined if she had been assaulted. I suspected that “assaulted” in this case was a code word for rape and, as it turns out, this was the case.[/tangent] I certainly don’t need to know the sordid detail but it’s plain that a lot of people don’t really know what sexual assault means. It’s important for news reports to be clear and concise. I know, I picked up the use of the words “brutal” and “sustained” and came to my own conclusion but it’s not a given that everyone will. Odesio ---
**Author:** ![Lakai](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/9de0a6/32.png) [@Lakai](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lakai)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2011, 11:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/60-minutes-lara-logan-sexually-assaulted-while-covering-egypt-revolution/571500/71 "2011-02-16T23:24:33Z")
> [@Broomstick](#): > > Are we still operating with the assumption that rape is the _worst_ possible thing that can happen to a woman? A 20-30 minute beating of any sort isn’t somehow horrific enough? No one made that assumption. The WSJ guy was clearing up what happened in addition to the 20 minute assault. Not whether there was only an assault or a rape. ---
**Author:** ![Cat\_Fight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/90ced4/32.png) [@Cat\_Fight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cat_Fight)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2011, 12:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/60-minutes-lara-logan-sexually-assaulted-while-covering-egypt-revolution/571500/72 "2011-02-17T00:31:41Z")
> [@DigitalC](#): > > It has absolutely nothing to do with sympathy or lack of thereof, i greatly admire and respect Lara Logan and have been a fan of hers ever since her appearance on the Daily Show and maybe just maybe some of us are hoping that it was in fact a beating and a groping rather than a brutal gang rape. If she were merely groped, I strongly believe she would not have even mentioned it to CBS or anyone else, or that it would have been the first time that that had happened to her or close female colleagues. The story would be that she had been beaten, and nothing else. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2011, 12:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/60-minutes-lara-logan-sexually-assaulted-while-covering-egypt-revolution/571500/73 "2011-02-17T00:37:07Z")
This cnn reporter describes problems she’s had in Egypt. > **[Egypt's harassed women need their own revolution](https://www.cnn.com/2011/OPINION/02/16/rogers.egypt.sexual.harrassment/index.html?hpt=T2)** > > Several months before the revolution, I wrote a piece for CNN.com on the sexual harassment of women in Cairo. I recall Anderson Cooper mentioning women in his crew had clothing ripped & torn by the crowds when he was attacked a week ago. > [@](#): > > I speak from experience. While most of my days covering Tahrir Square during the last few weeks were free from harassment, there was one day when I was groped. Another colleague almost had her pants ripped off by a gang of thugs. ---
**Author:** ![Oliveritaly](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/oliveritaly/32/15233_2.png) [@Oliveritaly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oliveritaly)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2011, 3:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/60-minutes-lara-logan-sexually-assaulted-while-covering-egypt-revolution/571500/74 "2011-02-17T15:20:08Z")
I worked with Ms. Logan several months ago but only face to face for a day and maybe a dozen or so emails before that. Her producer though, who was also there during the attack, and I got to know each other very well and consider him a friend. We is a good guy and we’re still in touch. I’m appalled this happened but am glad that no one was killed and that everyone is back on friendly soil. But that’s about the ONLY good thing I can come up with. It’s shocking and a shame. ---
**Author:** ![Odesio](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/odesio/32/20003_2.png) [@Odesio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Odesio)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2011, 3:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/60-minutes-lara-logan-sexually-assaulted-while-covering-egypt-revolution/571500/75 "2011-02-17T15:32:54Z")
Does this have anything to do with the way Egyptians view foreign women who are in their country ostensibly either unmarried or without a proper male escort? I only ask because I know two women who traveled to Egypt in recent years and neither one of them was pleased with the way they were treated by many Egyptians. One was single and the other was married but she spent several weeks there before her husband joined her. Odesio PS: Yes, I am fully aware that two individuals does not make for a good sample size and I also realize that this kind of thing can happen anywhere, even in the United States. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2011, 4:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/60-minutes-lara-logan-sexually-assaulted-while-covering-egypt-revolution/571500/76 "2011-02-17T16:47:33Z")
> [@WordMan](#): > > Second - I really don’t like thinking about how this could end up getting treated in the media… [Laila Lalami writes for _The Nation:_](http://www.thenation.com/blog/158616/attack-lara-logan-war-words) > [@](#): > > A woman has been sexually assaulted—what should the reaction to such a heinous crime be? Blaming its victim? Disparaging the country she’s in? Looking for a scapegoat? > > Stunningly enough, all of these reactions have been voiced since yesterday . . . > > \ > > Not two hours after the statement was made, Debbie Schlussel, the pundit for whom every conflict can be reduced to Islam’s inherent evil, turned in this gem: “Too bad, Lara.… This never happened to her or any other mainstream media reporter when Mubarak was allowed to treat his country of savages in the only way they can be controlled.” The formulation is disgustingly racist, but a more polite form of it is already circulating—the idea being that Egypt’s new revolution is doomed and that the country needs what Lee Smith once termed a “strong horse.” > > In Slate, for instance, Rachel Larimore wondered if the attack on Logan was a bad omen for Egypt. “I wish I could say I was surprised by the news,” she wrote. “But amid the cacophony of revolution, however, quieter voices expressed concern about what life would be like for women after the revolution, drawing comparisons to the Iranian revolution of 1979, when the ouster of the Shah led to reduced freedoms for women." What Larimore doesn’t mention is that sexual assaults occurred frequently enough during Mubarak’s secular thirty-year rule that some Egyptian women openly expressed fear for their safety. In fact, what made the Egyptian revolution successful was that the women who took part in it did so at grave risk to themselves. > > \ > > In the mounting rhetoric, what is getting lost is the fact that a reporter has been sexually assaulted. As Judith Matloff explained in a Columbia Journalism Review article, female foreign correspondents are often subjected to sexual abuse, and rarely report it for fear of losing assignments. Lara Logan has broken a powerful taboo by coming forward about her assault. And the only reaction to this horrific crime, wherever it took place and whoever the perpetrators may be, ought to be disgust and condemnation. ---
**Author:** ![Rusalka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ecd19e/32.png) [@Rusalka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rusalka)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2011, 8:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/60-minutes-lara-logan-sexually-assaulted-while-covering-egypt-revolution/571500/77 "2011-02-17T20:00:56Z")
> [@Drain\_Bead](#): > > I dunno. I think it’s natural to have some questions about what happened, especially given the vague nature of the report and the lurid subject matter. I know that when I first heard the story, my first thought was “Sexual assault? I wonder what actually happened to the poor woman?” > > It’s pretty terrible, not just what happened to her, but also the fact that it made national news. It’s one thing to be raped, quite another to know that everyone knows what happened, and having to choose between having all the details reported or knowing that quite a few people are going to be questioning and speculating about all the omitted parts. I agree, I was trying to picture exactly what happened, how it could happen, etc. It is true that victims of rape deserve privacy, but this crime was committed in the most public of places, so lots of people know what actually happened. I disagree that groping and beating and rape are equally bad. There’s a whole different level to rape and I’d like to know if a bunch of men would do such a thing in Egypt in the wide open air with everyone looking on. ---
**Author:** ![Rusalka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ecd19e/32.png) [@Rusalka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rusalka)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2011, 8:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/60-minutes-lara-logan-sexually-assaulted-while-covering-egypt-revolution/571500/78 "2011-02-17T20:23:43Z")
> [@Broomstick](#): > > What? > > Are we still operating with the assumption that rape is the _worst_ possible thing that can happen to a woman? A 20-30 minute beating of any sort isn’t somehow horrific enough? > > Rape is horrible. So is being beaten by a mob for 20-30 minutes. Which is worse? Seems to me both could leave lasting mental trauma. > > Anyhow - I wish her a speedy recovery. Please don’t take this as an ad hominem attack, but are you male or female? I am female, and I can tell you that I would much rather be beaten to within an inch of my life than be raped. Maybe this is hard for men to understand, but picture this: as a man, wouldn’t you rather be brutally beaten and groped than raped? Imagine the difference between how you would feel in each situation. ---
**Author:** ![Carl\_Corey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Carl\_Corey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Carl_Corey)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2011, 8:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/60-minutes-lara-logan-sexually-assaulted-while-covering-egypt-revolution/571500/79 "2011-02-17T20:30:52Z")
Broomstick is a woman. ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2011, 8:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/60-minutes-lara-logan-sexually-assaulted-while-covering-egypt-revolution/571500/80 "2011-02-17T20:36:14Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > Rosen didn’t exactly imply that she deserved it, but he said some offensive things. Most offensive being he didn’t realize she’d been _sexually_ assaulted even though his tweet linked to an article that clearly stated it and even though his “funny it didn’t happen to Anderson Cooper” comment only makes sense in that context. (I hate “how stupid exactly do you think I am” unpologies.) Anyone see his [apology on and to](http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/02/17/nir-rosen-anderson-cooper-lara-logan_n_824411.html)Anderson Cooper? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/60-minutes-lara-logan-sexually-assaulted-while-covering-egypt-revolution/571500.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/60-minutes-lara-logan-sexually-assaulted-while-covering-egypt-revolution/571500.md?page=5)