# 7 Jan 2021 and beyond - the aftermath of the storming of the Capitol **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [January 8, 2021, 10:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020 "2021-01-08T10:28:28Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Heffalump\_and\_Roo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/heffalump_and_roo/32/7691_2.png) [@Heffalump\_and\_Roo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Heffalump_and_Roo)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2021, 10:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/1 "2021-01-08T10:28:28Z")
Since the [6 Jan 2021 thread](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/6-january-2021-a-day-worth-a-thread/929770/1614) was closed at the request of the OP, I’ve been looking for a place to post about all the things that have been happening in the aftermath but only finding pieces scattered here and there, so I’m starting a thread to hopefully consolidate the events. The White House and cabinet resignations, the Hawley book deal that got canceled, the talks about the 25th amendment, the talks about impeachment, the fate of the rioters, the discussion of Trump’s suspensions from Facebook and Twitter, what will happen for the next 12 days, etc. All fair game for this thread. ---
**Author:** ![Heffalump\_and\_Roo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/heffalump_and_roo/32/7691_2.png) [@Heffalump\_and\_Roo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Heffalump_and_Roo)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2021, 10:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/2 "2021-01-08T10:46:00Z")
[https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-protests-fallout/some-u-s-capitol-rioters-fired-after-internet-detectives-identify-them-idUSKBN29C36M?feedType=mktg&feedName=topNews&WT.mc\_id=Partner-Google&utm\_source=reddit.com](https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-protests-fallout/some-u-s-capitol-rioters-fired-after-internet-detectives-identify-them-idUSKBN29C36M?feedType=mktg&feedName=topNews&WT.mc_id=Partner-Google&utm_source=reddit.com) Several people have been fired from their jobs for participating in the riots. Here’s a few. > [@](#): > > One of the people shown in the D.C. police photos wore his work identification badge inside the capitol and was identified and fired by his employer, Navistar Direct Marketing of Fredrick, Maryland. He was seen in the Capitol. His employer allowed for the right of peaceful protest but stated that “any employee demonstrating dangerous conduct that endangers the health and safety of others will no longer have an employment opportunity with Navistar Direct Marketing” A woman was fired from a real estate agency although she claimed she was only on the steps of the Capitaol, took a selfie and left. > [@](#): > > Andrews said she had climbed the steps of the Capitol without encountering security, posted selfies from the scene on Instagram, sang the national anthem and then moved on. Online critics were quick to post negative reviews of her real estate work on a ratings site. A professor resigned from a college in PA after his Facebook posts were seen. A lawyer working for an insurance company was fired after he used social media to post about being teargassed. > [@](#): > > Paul Davis, a lawyer at Westlake, Texas-based Goosehead Insurance, used a social media account to broadcast his participation at the capitol, saying that he had been teargassed. Are these firings justified, or in some cases, a stifling of free speech? ---
**Author:** ![Chad\_Sudan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chad_sudan/32/4509_2.png) [@Chad\_Sudan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chad_Sudan)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2021, 11:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/3 "2021-01-08T11:02:39Z")
I’m with you about starting this thread, but you might want to tweak the title. The storming of the White House is still a ways off. ---
**Author:** ![penultima\_thule](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/penultima_thule/32/3833_2.png) [@penultima\_thule](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/penultima_thule)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2021, 11:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/4 "2021-01-08T11:16:32Z")
Methinks these self-styled revolutionaries should look up documents like the Articles of War et al as to what happens when an armed insurrection to overthrow the government fails and therefore is known as a mutiny. Getting maced, teargassed or having a gap in their employment resume might be the least of your worries. As said Stephen Colbert [S6 E407](https://www.facebook.com/watch/?ref=search&v=399108431347361&external_log_id=8ac4a91a-040c-43e5-81f8-8e9bac66c81f&q=the%20late%20show%20with%20stephen%20colbert) (from 7:00) “It’s a revolution and you are complaining that they maced you? In a real revolution, when you lose they chop your fucking head off”. And having so ineptly failed … why would you go bragging about it on social media? ---
**Author:** ![Heffalump\_and\_Roo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/heffalump_and_roo/32/7691_2.png) [@Heffalump\_and\_Roo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Heffalump_and_Roo)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2021, 11:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/5 "2021-01-08T11:29:38Z")
I actually struggled with the title. Depending on one’s point of view, it could be a protest, a riot, a mobbing, a coup attempt, an insurrection and all points in between or all of the above. It was difficult to come up with something that just described what happened succinctly. ---
**Author:** ![Chad\_Sudan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chad_sudan/32/4509_2.png) [@Chad\_Sudan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chad_Sudan)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2021, 11:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/6 "2021-01-08T11:31:04Z")
I hear you! Just wanted to point out that the storming was of the Capitol. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2021, 11:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/7 "2021-01-08T11:40:26Z")
To some degree BY the White House. But not of it. ---
**Author:** ![Heffalump\_and\_Roo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/heffalump_and_roo/32/7691_2.png) [@Heffalump\_and\_Roo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Heffalump_and_Roo)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2021, 11:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/8 "2021-01-08T11:43:41Z")
D’oh! ~head slap~ I was so focused on the words that went before it, I didn’t even realize I posted the wrong place. Thanks for the correction. Maybe the mods will change it for me. ---
**Author:** ![kayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayaker/32/441_2.png) [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2021, 11:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/9 "2021-01-08T11:50:00Z")
> [@Heffalump\_and\_Roo](#): > > Are these firings justified, or in some cases, a stifling of free speech? Nobody stifled free speech, they’re just enjoying the consequences of their behavior. ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2021, 11:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/10 "2021-01-08T11:50:11Z")
> [@Heffalump\_and\_Roo](#): > > Are these firings justified, or in some cases, a stifling of free speech? There is no private sector employment protection for free speech, let alone for being part of an insurrection. Flip off the president’s motorcade and you risk being fired. And risk then winning elected office. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2021, 11:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/11 "2021-01-08T11:58:09Z")
> [@Heffalump\_and\_Roo](#): > > Are these firings justified, or in some cases, a stifling of free speech? - Criminal activity is not free speech. ---
**Author:** ![Heffalump\_and\_Roo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/heffalump_and_roo/32/7691_2.png) [@Heffalump\_and\_Roo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Heffalump_and_Roo)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2021, 12:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/12 "2021-01-08T12:07:58Z")
**Six Republican lawmakers among rioters as police release photos of wanted** > **[Photos of alleged Trump rioters released by DC police](https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-election-2020/republican-lawmakers-rioters-capitol-photos-b1784170.html)** > > Suspects include Holocaust deniers, White supremacists, and conspiracy theorists > [@](#): > > At least six Republican state legislators took part in events surrounding the storming of the US Capitol. West Virginia Delegate Derrick Evans posted a video of himself entering the building but later deleted it, [_The New York Times_ reported](https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/06/us/derrick-evans-west-virginia-capitol.html). > > Tennessee state lawmaker Terri Lynn Weaver told [the Tennessean](https://www.tennessean.com/story/news/politics/2021/01/07/tennessee-rep-terri-lynn-weaver-capitol-riot-lot-of-patriots/6578595002/) that she was “in the thick of it” during the rally before the storming of the Capitol. She said there was “Just a whole heck of a lot of patriots here". > . . . > Virginia state Senator Amanda Chase denied that any violence had taken place, despite the overwhelming evidence, and later accused the police of murder after the shooting of a California woman inside the Capitol. > . . . > Missouri State Representative Justin Hill skipped his swearing-in ceremony to be in DC. He marched to the Capitol but didn’t enter > . . . > Pennsylvania State Senator Doug Mastriano made sure that a busload of people could be in DC. He said in a video that he didn’t participate in the clashes with police, [_The Hill_ reported.](https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/533160-at-least-6-gop-legislators-took-part-in-trump-inspired-protests) > > Michigan State Representative Matt Maddock was also at the scene, according to _The Hill_ . ---
**Author:** ![elbows](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/b3f665/32.png) [@elbows](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elbows)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2021, 12:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/13 "2021-01-08T12:16:31Z")
Yeah, those lawmakers should DEF be charged with sedition I think. Might be forgivable to be charged with a lesser crime, if you’re just a citizen, but an elected official? There should be ZERO tolerance, they should be charged, convicted and removed from their posts. ---
**Author:** ![Banksiaman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banksiaman/32/3334_2.png) [@Banksiaman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banksiaman)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2021, 12:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/14 "2021-01-08T12:34:17Z")
> [@Heffalump\_and\_Roo](#): > > Suspects include Holocaust deniers, White supremacists, and conspiracy theorists Wow, Antifa has really dropped its entry requirements. ---
**Author:** ![Heffalump\_and\_Roo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/heffalump_and_roo/32/7691_2.png) [@Heffalump\_and\_Roo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Heffalump_and_Roo)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2021, 12:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/15 "2021-01-08T12:47:55Z")
More headlines. Joaquin Castro wants to make sure no federal buildings will be named after Trump. Would they be anyway? [https://thehill.com/homenews/news/533283-rep-joaquin-castro-wants-to-prevent-federal-government-from-ever-naming](https://thehill.com/homenews/news/533283-rep-joaquin-castro-wants-to-prevent-federal-government-from-ever-naming) Tweet from Trump throwing the rioters under the bus. He condemned the riot and said there would be a peaceful transition of power on Jan. 20. Is this the same guy that incited the riot a couple days ago? > Business Insider says that Pence is not open to 25th Amendment call > **[SCOOP: Pence opposes 25th Amendment efforts to remove Trump following Capitol...](https://www.businessinsider.com/pence-opposes-25th-amendment-effort-to-remove-trump-2021-1?utm_source=reddit.com)** > > The vice president opposes removing Trump via the 25th Amendment after Wednesday's attack on the Capitol, advisors told Insider. Some Democrats are accusing Elaine Chao and Betsy DeVos of resigning to sidestep the 25th amendment question. But maybe it wouldn’t matter if Pence wouldn’t back it anyway. > **[Betsy DeVos, Elaine Chao Accused of Resigning to Dodge 25th Amendment Calls](https://www.newsweek.com/betsy-devos-elaine-chao-resigning-dodge-25th-amendment-1559911)** > > The pair both left their posts following the recent violence at the Capitol, citing the chaos in messages announcing their departures. The Capitol police chief and seargent at arms all leaving at the request of the Democrats. [https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/533279-mcconnell-ousts-senate-sergeant-at-arms-after-capitol-riots](https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/533279-mcconnell-ousts-senate-sergeant-at-arms-after-capitol-riots) > [@](#): > > In addition to Stenger, Capitol Police chief Steven Sund [is resigning later this month](https://thehill.com/homenews/house/533262-capitol-police-chief-announces-resignation-after-pro-trump-riots), and House Speaker [Nancy Pelosi](https://thehill.com/people/nancy-pelosi) (D-Calif.) announced earlier Thursday that the House sergeant-at-arms, Paul Irving, had also tendered his resignation. Some Trump supporters are saying that another riot will happen for Biden’s inauguratoin. > **['It needed to happen': Trump supporters defiant after Capitol attack, plan to...](https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2021/01/07/inauguration-day-violence-could-next-after-us-capitol-attack/6584582002/)** > > Unrepentant participants and backers of Wednesday's violent occupation of the U.S. Capitol said they believe they did nothing wrong. ---
**Author:** ![FlikTheBlue](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fliktheblue/32/10972_2.png) [@FlikTheBlue](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FlikTheBlue)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2021, 12:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/16 "2021-01-08T12:59:15Z")
I thought Trump was in Twitter jail. Did they let him out already? ---
**Author:** ![Heffalump\_and\_Roo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/heffalump_and_roo/32/7691_2.png) [@Heffalump\_and\_Roo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Heffalump_and_Roo)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2021, 1:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/17 "2021-01-08T13:01:24Z")
Yup, he just got out when he tweeted that. ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2021, 1:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/18 "2021-01-08T13:03:04Z")
His handlers deleted the tweets, which meant that he would be unsuspended after 12 hours. Also, I’m pretty sure they wrote that speech and Trump added the comments at the end. ---
**Author:** ![Heffalump\_and\_Roo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/heffalump_and_roo/32/7691_2.png) [@Heffalump\_and\_Roo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Heffalump_and_Roo)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2021, 1:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/19 "2021-01-08T13:11:12Z")
This was just a call-in, so they admit it could be fake. But could Trump’s supporters be questioning him after he incited their riot and is now calling on the people who broke into the Capitol to be arrested? > **[Watch a tearful Trump supporter ask C-SPAN if her president lied to her](https://www.vox.com/2021/1/6/22218031/trump-supporter-cspan-president-lied)** > > Listen to a self-described Trump supporter rethink her support in real time. ---
**Author:** ![Ann\_Hedonia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ann_hedonia/32/319_2.png) [@Ann\_Hedonia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ann_Hedonia)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2021, 1:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/20 "2021-01-08T13:27:47Z")
I picked up an interesting tidbit from the network news last night? You know the idiot that stormed Pelosi’s office and took a letter from her desk…that particular stunt has drawn the attention of my favorite kick-ass law enforcement agency, the USPIS ( postal police ), the guys that arrested Steve Bannon. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020.md?page=2)