# 7 Jan 2021 and beyond - the aftermath of the storming of the Capitol **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [January 8, 2021, 10:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020 "2021-01-08T10:28:28Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 10
**Author:** ![Mike\_Mabes](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mike_mabes/32/1782_2.png) [@Mike\_Mabes](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mike_Mabes)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2021, 2:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/182 "2021-01-09T02:14:50Z")
> [@Ann\_Hedonia](#): > > Anyone involved with the effort to discredit the election is part of this conspiracy. I have a question about that. If someone was on Parlor, or started a site like Parlor, and said the election was stolen and they have “proof”, how could they be responsibe for what happened, unless they advocated violence or actively took part in the coup. And don’t get me wrong, I am not in any way defendind the idiots on Parlor, and I am sure many don’t really believe the election was stolen. They knew it wasn’t but wanted to overturn it anyway. But I am also sure that many really do believe it. They hear Rudy talking about 80,000 votes in GA, and they see how far Trump was ahead on election day in PA, they have no idea where those votes were from, or they say that no way could someone who could only get a few hundred people at a rally could ever win, and they never check those alternative facts elsewhere. Pure ignorance and/or stupidity (Trump has the rare combination of being both, or maybe it’s not so rare). But you can’t prosecute someone for being either one > [@Ann\_Hedonia](#): > > Republicans are going to need to escape the RNC, anyone with any decency or brains needs to go independent. I hope that happens. ---
**Author:** ![rocking\_chair](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rocking_chair/32/2918_2.png) [@rocking\_chair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rocking_chair)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2021, 2:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/183 "2021-01-09T02:25:40Z")
McConnell has put out a memo that any impeachment in the senate will not happen until Jan. 19th. Someone is hiding in his shell until he can hand it over to Schumer. ---
**Author:** ![Mike\_Mabes](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mike_mabes/32/1782_2.png) [@Mike\_Mabes](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mike_Mabes)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2021, 2:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/184 "2021-01-09T02:26:11Z")
To that last point. I had to register by giving an email, which I didn’t even have to confirm, but that may be because I have gone to this page a few too many times before without registering. Historical fact of the day, I did not know this. _Stand back from the nonsense about stolen elections, and the scale of Republicans’ failure under Mr Trump becomes clear. Having won the White House and retained majorities in Congress in 2016, defeat in Georgia means that the party has lost it all just four years later. The last time that happened to Republicans was in 1892, when news of Benjamin Harrison’s humiliation travelled by telegraph._ _The election myth that Mr Trump has spun may thus have broken the feedback loop needed for the party to change. Ditching a failed leader and broken strategy is one thing. Abandoning someone whom you and most of your friends think is the rightful president, and whose power was taken away in a gigantic fraud by your political enemies, is something else entirely._ _If something good is to come from this week’s insurrection, it will be that this way of thinking loses some of its purchase. The sight of a Trump supporter lounging in the Speaker’s chair should horrify Republican voters who like to think theirs is the party of order and of the constitution. To hear Mr Trump inciting riots on Capitol Hill may persuade parts of middle America to turn their back on him for good._ > **[Trump’s legacy—the shame and the opportunity](https://www.economist.com/leaders/2021/01/09/trumps-legacy-the-shame-and-the-opportunity)** > > The invasion of the Capitol and the Democrats’ victory in Georgia will change the course of the Biden presidency ---
**Author:** ![SCAdian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/scadian/32/3292_2.png) [@SCAdian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SCAdian)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2021, 2:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/185 "2021-01-09T02:26:41Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > Wow. I had no idea they would still have jurisdiction over delivered and received mail. If she franked it and it was still on her desk, I would assume it hadn’t been sent yet. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2021, 2:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/186 "2021-01-09T02:28:08Z")
> [@SCAdian](#): > > > [@running\_coach](#): > > > > Wow. I had no idea they would still have jurisdiction over delivered and received mail. > > If she franked it and it was still on her desk, I would assume it hadn’t been sent yet. - I hadn’t thought of that. Just assumed (don’t say it!) that it was mail she had received. ---
**Author:** ![rocking\_chair](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rocking_chair/32/2918_2.png) [@rocking\_chair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rocking_chair)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2021, 2:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/187 "2021-01-09T02:33:37Z")
It was out going mail. It was addressed to the honorable billy long. ---
**Author:** ![nelliebly](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/nelliebly/32/5422_2.png) [@nelliebly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nelliebly)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2021, 2:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/188 "2021-01-09T02:41:19Z")
> [@Mike\_Mabes](#): > > I have a question about that. If someone was on Parlor, or started a site like Parlor, and said the election was stolen and they have “proof”, how could they be responsibe for what happened, unless they advocated violence or actively took part in the coup. And don’t get me wrong, I am not in any way defendind the idiots on Parlor, and I am sure many don’t really believe the election was stolen. They knew it wasn’t but wanted to overturn it anyway. But I am also sure that many really do believe it. They hear Rudy talking about 80,000 votes in GA, and they see how far Trump was ahead on election day in PA, they have no idea where those votes were from, or they say that no way could someone who could only get a few hundred people at a rally could ever win, and they never check those alternative facts elsewhere. > > Pure ignorance and/or stupidity (Trump has the rare combination of being both, or maybe it’s not so rare). But you can’t prosecute someone for being either one First, small matter: it’s Parler, as in the French word parler, to speak, not parlor as in sitting room. Second, it doesn’t matter how their own beliefs and prejudices sent them down the rabbit hole: they went, and they’re culpable for their rusultant actions. John Wilkes Booth believed propaganda that Lincoln would “make himself King.” That did not exculpate him. These insurrectionists knew the law. They were not brainwashed. They are culpable for the crimes they committed. ---
**Author:** ![Mike\_Mabes](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mike_mabes/32/1782_2.png) [@Mike\_Mabes](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mike_Mabes)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2021, 2:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/189 "2021-01-09T02:41:19Z")
Correction to the Economist article, if anyone is able to read the whole thing. _American voters remain wary of big government and have not handed one party more than two consecutive terms in the White House since 1992._ Not quite right. Bush followed Reagan, getting elected in 1988. Before that, all the way back to Truman this country has shifted from Democratic President to Republican President. ---
**Author:** ![Ann\_Hedonia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ann_hedonia/32/319_2.png) [@Ann\_Hedonia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ann_Hedonia)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2021, 2:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/190 "2021-01-09T02:45:57Z")
Perhaps I should’ve been less overly broad, but I’m not talking about the idiots on Parler re-parlaying conspiracy theories. This was a conspiracy to overthrow the government, which culminated in them mustering an army to attack the Congressional session that was scheduled to ratify the electoral results. The attack was not a rally gone bad, it was the culmination of the scheme. I’m not suggesting it was some highly planned conspiracy. It wasn’t, it was a troll campaign, an angry vengeful attempt to prove that they would never give up. But if you fundraise to muster an army then attack the Capitol with overwhelming force, it’s still a conspiracy- even if all most of the fighters did was steal Pelosi’s spare shoes and take selfies. The threatening phone calls and extortions were part of that conspiracy. The flooding of our court system with bogus lawsuits was part of that conspiracy. We need the full phone records of that time to find out who else Trump tried to pressure, my money’s on ACB. This did not happen overnight. They spent 2 months ginning up the crowd, abusing the court system and collecting money. Organizations like Donald J Trump for President and the RNC promoted the Jan 6th event to STOP THE STEAL. You are right in that the government can’t prosecute people for filing bogus lawsuits, but it looks like the courts are ready to impose heavy sanctions. But the DOJ should investigate all the sworn affidavits that were used as evidence of election fraud and enact those “penalties of perjury” ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2021, 2:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/191 "2021-01-09T02:54:35Z")
No shock that. Bets on whether or not Murkowski jumps out of the GOP? ---
**Author:** ![Mike\_Mabes](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mike_mabes/32/1782_2.png) [@Mike\_Mabes](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mike_Mabes)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2021, 2:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/192 "2021-01-09T02:55:29Z")
I am not talking about the people who invaded the Capitol, or encouraged others to do so, every one of them should face serious charges, as did anyone who financed it. I am asking about those who went online and said they believed the election was stolen. Stop the Steal. I’ve never gone to Parler, I am sure there are many there who said that armed insurrection would be required if the House and Senate did not do their “duty” to vote against Biden. They should be prosectuted. But for those who just encouraged their representatives to vote against, that can’t possibly be a crime. It is legal for those objections to be made, no matter how full of shit they may be. Jeez, I am starting to feel like Johnny Cochan defending OJ. I will wait for Ann Hedonia to weigh in on this - > [@Ann\_Hedonia](#): > > Anyone involved with the effort to discredit the election is part of this conspiracy. If that is the case, then the trio of fascists on FOX every night, as well as The Five Idiots, should go to jail Ninja edit, just after I postetd I see Ann’s response. I will agree with whoever it was earlier who complimented you on your posts. And hell yeah, sworn afidavits that were blatent lies, had not thought of that ---
**Author:** ![Mike\_Mabes](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mike_mabes/32/1782_2.png) [@Mike\_Mabes](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mike_Mabes)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2021, 3:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/193 "2021-01-09T03:10:14Z")
BTW I have unfairly maligned Juan Williams. The show on FOX should be called The Four Idiots and the One Token Liberal, so FOX can claim to be fair and balanced. Just like, years ago, it was Hannity and (milquetoast liberal) Colmes. ---
**Author:** ![digs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/digs/32/14889_2.png) [@digs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/digs)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2021, 3:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/194 "2021-01-09T03:13:05Z")
> [@Mike\_Mabes](#): > > I’ve never gone to Parler… You can “go to Parler” without going to Parler… See, I know this guy…? His tagline is “I look at Parler so you don’t have to.” Check out **Parlertakes 🇺🇸** on Twitter. It’s so much fun… the schadenfreude is thick there (and delicious). SO many Qanons and MAGA-mites asking where the big plan went, some angry… and some suddenly realizing they’ve been had. ---
**Author:** ![Mike\_Mabes](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mike_mabes/32/1782_2.png) [@Mike\_Mabes](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mike_Mabes)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2021, 3:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/195 "2021-01-09T03:19:08Z")
Thank you, but don’t you mean Trumpenfreude? I coined that a few days ago. Although it may be like my brother in law once said, if you can think of it, someone else already has Anyway, funny stuff. My favorite so far - Sean Hannity has lost his lifetime pasta pass at Olive Gardent ---
**Author:** ![JKellyMap](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jkellymap/32/15880_2.png) [@JKellyMap](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JKellyMap)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2021, 3:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/196 "2021-01-09T03:24:35Z")
> [@squidfood](#): > > My favorite bit I read today is that some really strong penalties against defacing federal property were only recently signed into law by Trump in order to protect against Confederate monument toppling. Ha!!! ---
**Author:** ![JKellyMap](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jkellymap/32/15880_2.png) [@JKellyMap](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JKellyMap)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2021, 3:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/197 "2021-01-09T03:29:08Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > In Donnie’s case, Twitter was not “ **just** social media.” That’s like saying a Molotov cocktail is just a bottle full of gasoline and a pair of old underwear. It’s how you use it. Brilliant. ---
**Author:** ![Mike\_Mabes](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mike_mabes/32/1782_2.png) [@Mike\_Mabes](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mike_Mabes)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2021, 3:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/198 "2021-01-09T03:32:01Z")
Trumpenfreude. Does anyone speak German, I would think in schadenfreude “freude” is about misfortune, “schaden” about taking pleasure , so grammatically Trumpenfreude would make as much sense as “I am a jelly donut.” ---
**Author:** ![rocking\_chair](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rocking_chair/32/2918_2.png) [@rocking\_chair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rocking_chair)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2021, 3:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/199 "2021-01-09T03:34:31Z")
An interesting little tidbit is that should the house deliver the impeachment to the senate. They need 2/3rd of the senate that is present. When the vote in the senate is taken all 100 senators do not need to be present. They can hide in the loo if they don’t want to vote. Then it is 2/3rd of whoever is in the chamber. ---
**Author:** ![rocking\_chair](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rocking_chair/32/2918_2.png) [@rocking\_chair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rocking_chair)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2021, 3:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/200 "2021-01-09T03:35:45Z")
It means friend. The literal translation is “shadowfriend”. ---
**Author:** ![JKellyMap](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jkellymap/32/15880_2.png) [@JKellyMap](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JKellyMap)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2021, 3:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/201 "2021-01-09T03:36:10Z")
True. But this is a common linguistic process. We say “cheeseburger” as if “burger” meant something now — which it does, but originally it was just part of the word “hamburger,” that is, someone or something from Hamburg. Similarly with “copter” (look it up). Or “-holic,” as in “workaholic.” [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020.md?page=9) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020.md?page=11)