# 7 Jan 2021 and beyond - the aftermath of the storming of the Capitol **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [January 8, 2021, 10:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020 "2021-01-08T10:28:28Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 100
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2021, 10:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/1987 "2021-07-28T22:43:23Z")
> [@bobot](#): > > I think she’s going to expose her so called friends in a big way. I hope, anyway. But I do think so, too. I would like to see evidence presented of the tours that certain Republican congress members gave to the terrorists in the week before Jan 6, and any phone records, texts, email between congress members and any of the terrorists. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2021, 11:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/1988 "2021-07-28T23:34:30Z")
> [@Johnny\_L.A](#): > > The GOP are blaming Pelosi for the attack. Just a reminder to the GOP: when the insurrectionists attacked, it was Trump McCarthy called to ask him to call it off, it was Trump the mob claimed “sent” them, and it was Trump who described the rioters as “great patriots” and told them “we love you”. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2021, 2:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/1989 "2021-07-29T02:01:44Z")
No, it isn’t that you “became political” that drove people away; it is that it became apparent that you are a dangerous lunatic with a tenuous grasp on reality, Miss Bauer. > **[Capitol riot arrest of restaurant owner rattles hometown](https://apnews.com/article/entertainment-joe-biden-government-and-politics-arrests-coronavirus-pandemic-9d89bbfa350150ae0c07822412b013c3)** > > KANE, Pa. (AP) — A crank caller ordered an “insurrection pizza” from Pauline Bauer’s restaurant. A profane piece of hate mail addressed her as a domestic terrorist. She even became a punchline for Stephen Colbert’s late-night talk show on CBS. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2021, 2:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/1990 "2021-07-29T02:27:55Z")
“This is what happens to people who tell the truth in Trump’s America.” (3 minute video) [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/vTocV1PSp9o/maxresdefault.jpg "Capitol Officer Gets Threatening Voicemail After Testimony") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vTocV1PSp9o) ---
**Author:** ![Senegoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senegoid/32/6606_2.png) [@Senegoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Senegoid)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2021, 3:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/1991 "2021-07-29T03:07:57Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > No, it isn’t that you “became political” that drove people away; it is that it became apparent that you are a dangerous lunatic with a tenuous grasp on reality, Miss Bauer. The article you linked, a couple posts above, mentions this: > [@](#): > > She also told the judge that she wouldn’t allow a pretrial services officer to inspect her home, in person or virtually. The judge warned her that she could be jailed again if she refused to comply. What does that mean? She’s charged with bad behavior at the Capitol, so a “pretrial services officer” is going to go on some kind of fishing expedition in her home? Looking for what? Just, you know, to see what might be there? ---
**Author:** ![Senegoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senegoid/32/6606_2.png) [@Senegoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Senegoid)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2021, 3:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/1992 "2021-07-29T03:11:40Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > “This is what happens to people who tell the truth in Trump’s America.” > (3 minute video) “Capitol Officer Gets Threatening Voicemail After Testimony” What are the possibilities of the caller being voice-identified and caught? Are death threats even taken seriously any more, they seem so commonplace these days? Seems to me I’ve seen many reports in the news of death threats delivered via voice mail. That seems awfully cocky. Are these followed up and prosecuted? ---
**Author:** ![Folly](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/folly/32/3219_2.png) [@Folly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Folly)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2021, 3:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/1993 "2021-07-29T03:27:17Z")
> [@Senegoid](#): > > What does that mean? She’s charged with bad behavior at the Capitol, so a “pretrial services officer” is going to go on some kind of fishing expedition in her home? Looking for what? Just, you know, to see what might be there? There can be all sorts of conditions imposed upon you if you are let out on bond. They don’t have to let you out on bond. ---
**Author:** ![Senegoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senegoid/32/6606_2.png) [@Senegoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Senegoid)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2021, 3:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/1994 "2021-07-29T03:29:04Z")
> [@Folly](#): > > There can be all sorts of conditions imposed upon you if you are let out on bond. They don’t have to let you out on bond. So, my question stands. What would the judge be asking this “pretrial services officer” to be looking for? A stash of guns and ammo perhaps? ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2021, 3:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/1995 "2021-07-29T03:29:44Z")
I googled for “pretrial services” and the first listing was this Wikipedia article: > **[Pretrial services programs](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pretrial_services_programs)** > > Pretrial services programs are procedures in the United States to prepare cases for trial in court. In most jurisdictions pretrial services programs operate at the county level. Six US states (Kentucky, Rhode Island, Connecticut, Delaware, New Jersey, and Colorado) operate and fund pretrial services programs at the state level. The US federal courts system operates pretrial services in all 94 federal districts. > The process has three primary functions: to collect and analyze defendant information... > The process has three primary functions: to collect and analyze defendant information for use in determining risk, to make recommendations to the court concerning conditions of release, and to supervise defendants who are released from secure custody during the pretrial phase. People are not, generally, allowed out of jail before trial without conditions. Part of what pretrial services does is to help ensure the defendant is keeping their side of the bargain. ETA: Your use of scary quotation marks is noted: you don’t know what it is or what they do, but you’re against them. ---
**Author:** ![Folly](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/folly/32/3219_2.png) [@Folly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Folly)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2021, 3:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/1996 "2021-07-29T03:30:42Z")
> [@Senegoid](#): > > So, my question stands. What would the judge be asking this “pretrial services officer” to be looking for? A stash of guns and ammo perhaps? That you are complying with any conditions imposed upon you. Could be lots of stuff. No drugs and alcohol for instance. ---
**Author:** ![Senegoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senegoid/32/6606_2.png) [@Senegoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Senegoid)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2021, 3:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/1997 "2021-07-29T03:32:06Z")
Okay. I’ve seen this happening to people out on parole, their parole officers come snooping around from time to time. I didn’t know the same sort of thing happens pre-trial when people are out on bail. ---
**Author:** ![Senegoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senegoid/32/6606_2.png) [@Senegoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Senegoid)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2021, 3:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/1998 "2021-07-29T03:35:13Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > ETA: Your use of scary quotation marks is noted: you don’t know what it is or what they do, but you’re against them. Not necessarily. I quoted the phrase because it wasn’t a phrase I’m familiar with, so I was just quoting the words from the source article. People use quote marks for that too. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2021, 3:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/1999 "2021-07-29T03:36:06Z")
Okay. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2021, 4:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/2000 "2021-07-29T04:14:02Z")
> [@Senegoid](#): > > I didn’t know the same sort of thing happens pre-trial when people are out on bail. Now you know. And even sovereign citizens who claim the courts have no jurisdiction over them need to comply with bail conditions, and can be inspected to see that they are complying. I’m shocked to note that she was anti-mask, and a critic of other public health measures. No wait. Not shocked at all. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2021, 4:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/2001 "2021-07-29T04:29:00Z")
> **[Pizzeria Owner Mounts Truly Bizarre Defense for Jan. 6 Riots](https://www.thedailybeast.com/pizzeria-owner-pauline-bauer-mounts-truly-bizarre-defense-for-jan-6-riots)** > > Not only is she representing herself, she’s using far-out “sovereign citizen” talking points to claim she is immune from prosecution. Better source? ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2021, 4:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/2002 "2021-07-29T04:32:30Z")
Reps. Jim Jordan of Ohio and Jim Banks of Indiana are _suspects._ You don’t put _suspects_ on the jury. McCarthy should be ashamed of himself. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2021, 4:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/2003 "2021-07-29T04:50:28Z")
I would dearly love to know if Jordan or Banks gave tours to the terrorists before Jan 6 so they could case the site, or if there were any communications between Jordan or Banks and the terrorists before the attacks. ---
**Author:** ![Akaj](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/akaj/32/145_2.png) [@Akaj](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Akaj)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2021, 1:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/2004 "2021-07-29T13:29:50Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > McCarthy should be ashamed of himself. 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 Shame? A Republican? 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 ---
**Author:** ![madmonk28](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madmonk28/32/20811_2.png) [@madmonk28](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madmonk28)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2021, 1:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/2005 "2021-07-29T13:39:01Z")
A pretty reasonable fear, given what she is accused of doing. One of the alleged terrorists has been ordered held in jail after it was discovered he was hoarding firearms and making threats online. > **[Judge orders ex-Virginia cop charged in Capitol riot to stay in jail for...](https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/legal-issues/rocky-mount-officer-detained-capitol-riot/2021/07/28/d1306772-e4e3-11eb-b722-89ea0dde7771_story.html)** > > Thomas Robertson, formerly with the Rocky Mount police, is expected to face new felony charges, according to prosecutors. ---
**Author:** ![flurb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/51bf81/32.png) [@flurb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/flurb)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2021, 7:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/2006 "2021-07-29T19:01:22Z")
To bring a bit of levity to the thread: on Tuesday the 4G caucus of Goetz, Gohmert, Greene and Gosar tried to hold a presser at the Department of Justice to protest how the insurrectionists had been treated by DOJ. A counter protestor drowned them out with a whistle. Another had a sign that said “Traitors + Rapists Sit Down.” Eventually they had to abandon their own press conference. Particularly fitting that Marjorie Taylor-Greene – who has stalked and harassed fellow members of Congress and school shooting survivors – was chased out of her own event. > **[Watch: Marjorie Taylor Greene and Matt Gaetz Get Heckled off the Stage While...](https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/matt-gaetz-marjorie-taylor-greene-press-conference-protesters-1202980/)** > > Greene has been publicly harassing people she opposes for years. On Tuesday, the tables were turned [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020.md?page=99) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020.md?page=101)