# 7 Jan 2021 and beyond - the aftermath of the storming of the Capitol **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [January 8, 2021, 10:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020 "2021-01-08T10:28:28Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 102
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2021, 1:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/2027 "2021-08-07T13:43:31Z")
> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#): > > …Treason and insurrection must be punished to the fullest extent of the law if those who would overthrow American constitutional democracy simply because they didn’t like the outcome of an election are to be deterred for next time. I get your point, but I would hope what would deter treason would be a love, or at least respect for our country, constitution, and traditions. If someone is really trying to overthrow the government, they’re presumably ready to risk their lives, fortunes, and sacred honor. These guys treated it less like the Boston Tea Party and more like a Big Ten tailgate party. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2021, 3:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/2028 "2021-08-07T15:05:39Z")
Of course I would hope that everyone would love our country. But those whose love is so twisted as to attack Congress while it counts Electoral College votes because their guy seems likely to lose, after he’s plainly encouraged them to do so, should pay the price in the courts established by the very Constitution they claim to revere - as should he. ---
**Author:** ![Si\_Amigo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/si_amigo/32/2877_2.png) [@Si\_Amigo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Si_Amigo)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2021, 4:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/2029 "2021-08-07T16:07:58Z")
> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#): > > But those whose love is so twisted as to attack Congress while it counts Electoral College votes because their guy seems likely to lose Seems likely to lose? Lets not feed their fantasies, the outcome was 100% determined. The vote was merely a formality. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2021, 4:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/2030 "2021-08-07T16:33:17Z")
I am merely trying to reflect their fantasies and motivations. Their Hero insisted he had actually been reelected, despite all indications to the contrary, and could still have a second term, if only they would go down the Mall and forcefully tell Congress that. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2021, 4:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/2031 "2021-08-07T16:49:40Z")
> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#): > > Their Hero insisted he had actually been reelected > **[No one has ever gone up to Trump and just told him he lost the election,...](https://www.businessinsider.com/600-word-interview-michael-wolff-trump-election-loss-javanka-2021-8)** > > Michael Wolff's latest book on Donald Trump, "Landslide," details the former president's inability to even hear the fact he lost the election. > **Does he know that he lost the election fair and square?** > > He does not know. Now, whether he has managed to successfully convince himself or whether from the get-go he was so focused on hearing what he wanted to hear, he is absolutely certain. Absolutely certain that he won the election and that if he did not win it, it could only be that it was stolen from him… > > You cannot say anything to Trump that he doesn’t want to hear. Everybody knows that. So to do that would mark you as incompetent or a fool or a silly person. It just doesn’t happen. ---
**Author:** ![Ann\_Hedonia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ann_hedonia/32/319_2.png) [@Ann\_Hedonia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ann_Hedonia)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2021, 5:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/2032 "2021-08-07T17:18:18Z")
Oh I remember him……Denver Riggleman of the Bigfoot porn scandal. Which is actually somewhat relevant. Riggleman wrote a book, a hysterically funny takedown of conspiratorial thinking, centering around a vacation he took with a bunch of Bigfoot enthusiasts. Because he made a lot of jokes about these people analyzing Bigfoot mating habits and doing stuff like imitating Bigfoot mating calls, somehow everyone started calling his book “Bigfoot Porn”………and the cover had a cartoon sketch of a Bigfoot with a box that said _CENSORED_ over the crotch area. > **[‘Bigfoot Erotica’ Becomes an Issue in Virginia Congressional Campaign...](https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/30/us/politics/bigfoot-porn.html)** > > Monster-themed pornography does exist. But Denver Riggleman, a Republican, said his writing on Bigfoot has not been pornographic. I remember, when I first heard of the “Bigfoot porn” scandal, I found the book online. It was good, hysterically funny. And not porn. Totally not porn. You can read at least part of it here. > **[Bigfoot Exterminators Inc. - Don Barone Outdoors Pages 1-34 - Flip PDF...](https://fliphtml5.com/znhu/uuci/basic)** > > Check Pages 1-34 of Bigfoot Exterminators Inc. - Don Barone Outdoors in the flip PDF version. Bigfoot Exterminators Inc. - Don Barone Outdoors was published by on 2015-05-13. Find more similar flip PDFs like Bigfoot Exterminators Inc. - Don Barone... But the point is, he’s a hardcore conspiracy theory skeptic, which has lead him to join the very small club of Republicans against January 6th. > **[What hunting Bigfoot taught a Republican congressman about politics](https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/virginia-politics/denver-riggleman-bigfoot-qanon/2020/11/26/d8de7274-2dbf-11eb-bae0-50bb17126614_story.html)** > > Denver Riggleman (R-Va.) doesn’t believe in Bigfoot. But he learned a lot by immersing himself in the world of those who do. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2021, 5:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/2033 "2021-08-07T17:23:59Z")
> [@Ann\_Hedonia](#): > > …jokes about these people analyzing Bigfoot mating habits and doing stuff like imitating Bigfoot mating calls, somehow everyone started calling his book “Bigfoot Porn”………and the cover had a cartoon sketch of a Bigfoot with a box that said _CENSORED_ over the crotch area. You know, just when I think I’ve heard it all, here comes Ann Hedonia! 😄 🤣 ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2021, 5:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/2034 "2021-08-07T17:32:52Z")
The Post article is an interesting read. The more I read about and contemplate conspiracy ‘theorism’, it looks and feels like cultural mythology, which serves the purpose of bonding the culture together. We’ve left the world of facts behind - we’re in a post-fact world. We’re entering a world in which cultural bonds matter more than facts. There are certain signals that are used in their language (e.g., snowflake, libs, democrat party, the Squad, woke…). But beyond that - and more frightening - there’s the display of cultural virtue: group loyalty over truth and justice. We are moving into an extremely dangerous world. ---
**Author:** ![Senegoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senegoid/32/6606_2.png) [@Senegoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Senegoid)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2021, 2:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/2035 "2021-08-08T02:10:11Z")
> [@Ann\_Hedonia](#): > > Because he made a lot of jokes about these people analyzing Bigfoot mating habits and doing stuff like imitating Bigfoot mating calls, somehow everyone started calling his book “Bigfoot Porn”………and the cover had a cartoon sketch of a Bigfoot with a box that said _CENSORED_ over the crotch area. I just had to google up that picture, because of course I did. Lest my efforts be wasted, here it is. His Democratic opponent in the election tried to tweet up a scandal around it. Background discussion, including the tweets and pic, here: > **[Denver Riggleman Bigfoot Erotica Controversy](https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/events/denver-riggleman-bigfoot-erotica-controversy)** > > Denver Riggleman Bigfoot Erotica Controversy refers to an accusation by Virginia Democratic congressional candidate Leslie Cockburn that her republican opponent, Denver Riggleman, is a "devotee of Bigfoot erotica" and has self-published a book of... [![](https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/001/397/172/7c7.jpg) ](https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/001/397/172/7c7.jpg) Follow-on cartoon commentary here: [![](https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/facebook/001/397/436/8af.jpeg) ](https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/facebook/001/397/436/8af.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2021, 2:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/2036 "2021-08-08T02:19:26Z")
That first one- that is one LONG censored area. I wonder if that has something to do with the rarity of Bigfoot sightings. Most of the time he’s probably lying on the ground having just tripped over something. ---
**Author:** ![susan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/susan/32/17537_2.png) [@susan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/susan)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2021, 3:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/2037 "2021-08-08T03:14:06Z")
Cockburn and Riggleman? This Bigfoot porn writes itself. ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2021, 4:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/2038 "2021-08-08T04:01:47Z")
> [@susan](#): > > Cockburn and Riggleman? This Bigfoot porn writes itself There is a thread > [@Cockburn gets "cock" burn on opponent.](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cockburn-gets-cock-burn-on-opponent/818791/): > > Interesting topic and coincidental name. Virginia congressional candidate Leslie Cockburn gets a [burn](https://english.stackexchange.com/questions/299065/usage-of-burn-as-a-form-of-mockery-how-did-it-start) in on an opponent [who has an interest in sasquatchii with more than just\* feet \*that are big](https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/world/2018/07/us-congress-candidate-denver-riggleman-exposed-as-bigfoot-erotica-devotee.html). ---
**Author:** ![flurb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/51bf81/32.png) [@flurb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/flurb)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2021, 1:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/2039 "2021-08-08T13:55:28Z")
“Bigfoot Porn” is good for a laugh, but the specific reason why Denver Riggleman was cast out by the GOP was because he dared to officiate a same-sex wedding. That’s what led the Virginia GOP to censure him, and subsequently he was replaced as the Republican nominee by a convention of party activists (Virginia allows the party to have either a primary or convention). ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2021, 4:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/2040 "2021-08-09T04:40:20Z")
“Well, Timmy, when a male Bigfoot and another male Bigfoot love each other very much…” ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2021, 8:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/2041 "2021-08-09T08:40:44Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > We’re entering a world in which cultural bonds matter more than facts. Entering? We’ve always been there. It’s humanity’s default state. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2021, 1:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/2042 "2021-08-10T13:56:08Z")
🤔…hey 🤨 wait a minute: > **[Judge asks why Capitol rioters are paying just $1.5 million for attack, while...](https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/legal-issues/capitol-riot-costs-defendants-pay/2021/08/09/ff05f4b0-f923-11eb-9c0e-97e29906a970_story.html)** > > The chief U.S. district judge in Washington again questions if the government’s Jan. 6 plea deals are too lenient. Yeah… why the fuck are _we_ picking up _their_ tab??? ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2021, 2:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/2043 "2021-08-10T14:38:43Z")
A fair question. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2021, 3:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/2044 "2021-08-10T15:20:02Z")
Paywalled. What’s it say? ---
**Author:** ![squeegee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/squeegee/32/14537_2.png) [@squeegee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/squeegee)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2021, 3:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/2045 "2021-08-10T15:27:22Z")
Unpaywalled: > **[A federal judge asked prosecutors why the Justice Department is seeking just...](https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/federal-judge-asked-prosecutors-why-000410406.html)** > > In June, prosecutors estimated the total damage done to the Capitol grounds during the insurrection to be $1,495,326.55 Protip: for Wapo articles, you can often google the exact headline and find a similar article. I’m not sure why that tends to work, if maybe the second story is written from the content of the first. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2021, 3:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/2046 "2021-08-10T15:32:40Z")
Thanks. ‘Jethro’ commented, ‘Just wondering how much BLM is paying for the damages they caused?’ Maybe because BLM wasn’t trying to destroy the country? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020.md?page=101) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020.md?page=103)