# 7 Jan 2021 and beyond - the aftermath of the storming of the Capitol **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [January 8, 2021, 10:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020 "2021-01-08T10:28:28Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 107
**Author:** ![Railer13](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/railer13/32/9742_2.png) [@Railer13](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Railer13)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2021, 6:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/2127 "2021-08-26T18:23:38Z")
> [@excavating\_for\_a\_mind](#): > > And, you really need to explain what “officially released” means. If you don’t know what that phrase means, then there’s no use trying to explain it to you. ---
**Author:** ![ShadowFacts](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shadowfacts/32/2934_2.png) [@ShadowFacts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ShadowFacts)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2021, 8:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/2128 "2021-08-26T20:15:24Z")
Seven capitol police sue Trump and allies for Jan. 6 insurrection. ([NY Times article](https://www.nytimes.com/2021/08/26/us/politics/capitol-police-jan-6-riot-lawsuit-trump.html) - probably paywalled). > A group of seven Capitol Police officers filed [a lawsuit](https://int.nyt.com/data/documenttools/capitol-police-trump-lawsuit/0c2a4cc5ee6557fe/full.pdf) on Thursday accusing former President Donald J. Trump and nearly 20 members of far-right extremist groups and political organizations of a plot to disrupt the peaceful transition of power during the Capitol riot on Jan. 6. > > The suit, which implicated members of the [Proud Boys](https://www.nytimes.com/2021/02/05/nyregion/proud-boys-capitol-riot-conspiracy.html), the [Oath Keepers](https://www.nytimes.com/2021/03/24/us/politics/oath-keepers-proud-boys-capitol-riot.html) militia and Trump associates like [Roger J. Stone Jr.](https://www.nytimes.com/2021/02/20/us/politics/justice-dept-roger-stone-capitol-riot.html), was arguably the most expansive civil effort to date seeking to hold Mr. Trump and his allies legally accountable for the storming of the Capitol. > > While three other similar lawsuits were filed in recent months, the suit on Thursday was the first to allege that Mr. Trump worked in concert with both far-right extremists and political organizers promoting his [baseless lies](https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/31/us/trump-election-lie.html) that the presidential election was marred by fraud. ---
**Author:** ![Hari\_Seldon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hari_seldon/32/5173_2.png) [@Hari\_Seldon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hari_Seldon)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2021, 3:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/2129 "2021-08-27T15:37:29Z")
> [@crowmanyclouds](#): > > > [@excavating\_for\_a\_mind](#): > > > > {…} Chauvin abused his authority in order to kill another citizen. Byrd did not. > > Hmm, if only I could think of a reason why one deserves protection that the other does not… It is quite possibly because one was responding to a threat to break into the floor of congress and possibly murder some congressmen, while the other was no threat to anyone. ---
**Author:** ![Hari\_Seldon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hari_seldon/32/5173_2.png) [@Hari\_Seldon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hari_Seldon)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2021, 3:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/2130 "2021-08-27T15:38:40Z")
> [@Railer13](#): > > If you don’t know what that phrase means, then there’s no use trying to explain it to you. Mod note: Tone it down. Not a warning. ---
**Author:** ![Railer13](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/railer13/32/9742_2.png) [@Railer13](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Railer13)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2021, 7:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/2131 "2021-08-29T19:43:03Z")
Well, well, well. Facts are a tricky thing. > **[Jim Jordan now admitting he spoke with Trump multiple times during Capitol...](https://www.rawstory.com/jim-jordan-capitol-riot/)** > > While still pleading ignorance over what transpired when he spoke with Donald Trump on Jan. 6th as the U.S. Capitol was under siege, Rep. Jim Jordan (R-OH) confessed to a Politico reporter that he probably had multiple talks with the president that... > According to Politico’s Olivia Beavers, the Ohio conservative is altering his story on the heels of the House select committee on the Jan 6th insurrection asking phone companies for records on phone calls during that day – including those involving lawmakers. ---
**Author:** ![Ann\_Hedonia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ann_hedonia/32/319_2.png) [@Ann\_Hedonia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ann_Hedonia)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2021, 7:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/2132 "2021-08-29T19:47:48Z")
Speaking of…… Here’s some material I found over at [justsecurity.org](http://justsecurity.org). for anyone that likes deep dives. They’ve developed some interesting timelines relating to aspects of the January 6th insurrection by aggregating publicly available information. > **[Mark Meadows Timeline: The Chief of Staff and Schemes to Overturn 2020 Election](https://www.justsecurity.org/77681/mark-meadows-timeline-the-chief-of-staff-and-schemes-to-overturn-2020-election/)** > > Meadows was directly involved at major intersections of President Donald Trump’s efforts to overturn the 2020 presidential election. A detailed timeline of all the publicly available information.  > **[Timeline: Rep. Jim Jordan, a Systematic Disinformation Campaign, and January 6](https://www.justsecurity.org/77852/timeline-rep-jim-jordan-a-systematic-disinformation-campaign-and-january-6/)** > > Starting in August 2020, Jim Jordan's coordinated effort to shape Trump supporters' belief in a stolen presidential election and January 6 as the "ultimate date of significance" to overturn the election. > **[The Official and Unofficial Timeline of Defense Department Actions on January 6](https://www.justsecurity.org/76117/the-official-and-unofficial-timeline-of-defense-department-actions-on-january-6/)** > > A look at the questionable omissions in the Pentagon’s official timeline of its actions on January 6. The Mark Meadows timeline is particularly interesting, and lends itself to this analysis. > **[DOJ Should Investigate Jeff Clark and Mark Meadows for Political Coercion Act...](https://www.justsecurity.org/77994/doj-should-investigate-jeff-clark-and-mark-meadows-for-political-coercion-act-and-hatch-act-violations/)** > > A detailed examination of how the reported facts match the criminal prohibitions of the Political Coercion Act and the Hatch Act. Which I happen to agree with. ---
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2021, 9:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/2133 "2021-08-29T21:53:34Z")
> [@](#): > > While still pleading ignorance over what transpired when he spoke with Donald Trump on Jan. 6th… He admits that a phone call took place, but doesn’t know what was said; how does that even work? ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2021, 10:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/2134 "2021-08-29T22:09:20Z")
There was an amusing TV interview of Jim Jordan from a couple of months ago where he was asked if he talked to President Trump on January 6, and his stammering, defensive response is the funniest thing I’ve seen in a while. It pretty much screams guilty. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2021, 10:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/2135 "2021-08-29T22:21:11Z")
Someone should get phone records from his time as a wrestling coach. ---
**Author:** ![Railer13](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/railer13/32/9742_2.png) [@Railer13](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Railer13)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2021, 10:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/2136 "2021-08-29T22:30:39Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > Someone should get phone records from his time as a wrestling coach Somebody should interview him and ask him to open up his phone and look at the call records for January 6. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2021, 10:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/2137 "2021-08-29T22:32:30Z")
> [@Railer13](#): > > > [@asahi](#): > > > > Someone should get phone records from his time as a wrestling coach > > Somebody should interview him and ask him to open up his phone and **look at the call records for January 6.** - Lucky for us, someone with brains would have erased those long ago. ---
**Author:** ![Ann\_Hedonia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ann_hedonia/32/319_2.png) [@Ann\_Hedonia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ann_Hedonia)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2021, 10:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/2138 "2021-08-29T22:36:47Z")
Please note that the article I posted about a half dozen posts upthread on Jim Jordan is shown as a _ **63 minute** _ read - the folks at Just Security compiled a LOT of evidence of his disinformation campaign. ---
**Author:** ![Railer13](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/railer13/32/9742_2.png) [@Railer13](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Railer13)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2021, 10:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/2139 "2021-08-29T22:39:28Z")
> [@Dewey\_Finn](#): > > There was an amusing TV interview of Jim Jordan from a couple of months ago where he was asked if he talked to President Trump on January 6 I think that perhaps it’s [this](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eh9iRuxV-24) interview with GMA. I found it in the excellent timeline article that @Ann_Hedonia posted upthread. Thanks, Ann! ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2021, 10:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/2140 "2021-08-29T22:45:32Z")
I think he sounds even more guilty in [this interview](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oeSRO_vikIQ&t=34s) on CNN. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2021, 11:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/2141 "2021-08-29T23:37:30Z")
> [@Robot\_Arm](#): > > He admits that a phone call took place, but doesn’t know what was said; how does that even work? Beans in his ears? ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2021, 11:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/2142 "2021-08-29T23:39:45Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > > [@Robot\_Arm](#): > > > > He admits that a phone call took place, but doesn’t know what was said; how does that even work? > > Beans in his ears? - If only he had listened to his Mommy. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2021, 5:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/2143 "2021-08-30T05:50:21Z")
Those darn beans! ---
**Author:** ![Turek](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/turek/32/18782_2.png) [@Turek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Turek)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2021, 1:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/2144 "2021-08-30T13:59:39Z")
> **[January 6 committee to ask telecommunications companies to preserve phone...](https://www.cnn.com/2021/08/30/politics/january-6-phone-records-members-of-congress/index.html)** > > The House Select Committee investigating the deadly January 6 riot has requested that a group of telecommunications companies preserve the phone records of a group of GOP members of Congress and former President Donald Trump, as well as members of... ---
**Author:** ![not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/not_what_you_d_expect/32/3246_2.png) [@not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/not_what_you_d_expect)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2021, 12:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/2145 "2021-08-31T00:27:03Z")
I don’t know where to put this: > Just a small sample: The exchange about January 6 “political prisoners” begins at 1:14:13; Cawthorn says of his attempts to help people facing trial for attacking the U.S. Capitol, “we are actively working on this, we have a few plans in motion that we can’t make public right now.” I’m just speechless. What the hell is this guy doing? ---
**Author:** ![jsc1953](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/5daacb/32.png) [@jsc1953](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jsc1953)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2021, 2:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/2146 "2021-08-31T02:36:27Z")
> [@not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](#): > > What the hell is this guy doing? Bullshitting. He’s not actively doing jack. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020.md?page=106) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020.md?page=108)