# 7 Jan 2021 and beyond - the aftermath of the storming of the Capitol **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [January 8, 2021, 10:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020 "2021-01-08T10:28:28Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 11
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2021, 3:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/202 "2021-01-09T03:38:10Z")
> [@rocking\_chair](#): > > It means friend. The literal translation is “shadowfriend Wait. Schadenfreude? Is that what you are talking about? I thought Freude meant “Joy”. Freund is friend. Maybe I’m not understanding what you are saying. ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2021, 3:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/203 "2021-01-09T03:39:35Z")
So, what was Trump really thinking, when he sent his zombie army down PA Ave to attack the Capitol? Did he seriously think that a disorganized mob of a couple thousand beer-swilling yahoos, out of more than 300 million, would somehow secure him a second term by force? I’ve got to think that even Trump knows that he never had any real chance of succeeding, and that this whole sorry episode was little more than flipping the table when it was clear he’d lost his last poker hand. Well, a bit more than that: I’m absolutely certain that Trump was hoping to see at least some of his ever-growing list of tormenters strung up at the hands of his regiments of undead. That no one but a few losers and a cop perished in the melee must seriously disappoint him. Regarding from now to Jan. 20: I do hope that there is some slow-growing awareness in his pea brain that this time he maybe, just maybe, might have gone too far. I hope, without conviction, that this awareness may constrain his actions until his term ends. And the day after it does end, I hope they throw the whole fucking law library at him. ---
**Author:** ![Riemann](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/riemann/32/3133_2.png) [@Riemann](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Riemann)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2021, 3:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/204 "2021-01-09T03:41:29Z")
> [@Mahaloth](#): > > I thought Freude meant “Joy”. Correct. Schadenfreude is “harm-joy”, so it’s not figurative at all, it’s literally pleasure at others coming to harm. ---
**Author:** ![Red\_Wiggler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/red_wiggler/32/13190_2.png) [@Red\_Wiggler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Red_Wiggler)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2021, 3:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/205 "2021-01-09T03:47:14Z")
Quick note about the new Alaska primary process. It’s an all-comer, all-party deal. Top four vote getters advance to the general election whereupon they use ranked choice voting to determine the winner. That probably makes it a little tougher for a hard core MAGAturd to take her out. ---
**Author:** ![rocking\_chair](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rocking_chair/32/2918_2.png) [@rocking\_chair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rocking_chair)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2021, 3:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/206 "2021-01-09T03:49:19Z")
And this is what happens when I don’t disturb the cat to get the dictionary. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2021, 3:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/207 "2021-01-09T03:57:44Z")
> [@nelliebly](#): > > Second, it doesn’t matter how their own beliefs and prejudices sent them down the rabbit hole: they went, and they’re culpable for their rusultant actions. John Wilkes Booth believed propaganda that Lincoln would “make himself King.” That did not exculpate him. > > These insurrectionists knew the law. They were not brainwashed. They are culpable for the crimes they committed. Yes and no. It is no crime to believe crazy things, many people do- I have a couple beliefs which arent entirely based on logic myself. It is when you act on them, then that’s the crime. And those people who just showed up to hear trump speak, then went home? No crime. Those that went to the Capitol, crossed the barricades and just waved flags and shouted slogans? Probably no crime, or at least nothing serious (see below). But anyone who broke into Congress is guilty of a good number of crimes, no matter how sincere their motives. eta- yeah, I know “unlawful assembly”, but that is weak and doubtful. ---
**Author:** ![Riemann](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/riemann/32/3133_2.png) [@Riemann](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Riemann)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2021, 3:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/208 "2021-01-09T03:59:08Z")
The most famous instance of Freude = Joy [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/q0EjVVjJraA/maxresdefault.jpg "Beethoven 9 - Ode to Joy #beethovenforall") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q0EjVVjJraA) ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2021, 4:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/209 "2021-01-09T04:03:31Z")
> [@Mike\_Mabes](#): > > am asking about those who went online and said they believed the election was stolen. Stop the Steal. I…But for those who just encouraged their representatives to vote against, that can’t possibly be a crime. It is legal for those objections to be made, no matter how full of shit they may be. Yeah, not a crime. But Twitter, Facebook et al can dump or censor you. Now, in the case of trump, it could/should be a crime, since he led people into a violent uprising, he encouraged it. ---
**Author:** ![SCAdian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/scadian/32/3292_2.png) [@SCAdian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SCAdian)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2021, 4:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/210 "2021-01-09T04:04:32Z")
> [@TroutMan](#): > > I for one would be fine never seeing images of dogs being used against crowds again. Lions, then. ---
**Author:** ![dtilque](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/d6d6ee/32.png) [@dtilque](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dtilque)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2021, 4:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/211 "2021-01-09T04:07:10Z")
According to CNBC, Trump posted several times to the @POTUS Twitter account. They were removed, but this article has images: > **[Trump tweets from POTUS handle account, says looking 'at the possibilities of...](https://www.cnbc.com/2021/01/08/trump-tweets-from-potus-handle-account-says-looking-at-the-possibilities-of-building-out-our-own-platform.html)** > > President Donald Trump continued tweeting Friday evening using the government-owned @POTUS account, despite having his @realDonaldTrump account permanently suspended by Twitter earlier in the day. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2021, 4:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/212 "2021-01-09T04:07:22Z")
> [@El\_Kabong](#): > > So, what was Trump really thinking, when he sent his zombie army down PA Ave to attack the Capitol? Did he seriously think that a disorganized mob of a couple thousand beer-swilling yahoos, out of more than 300 million, would somehow secure him a second term by force? Somehow he and Rudy thought that if they delayed the reading of the votes by JUST ONE DAY it would invalidate the whole process. 🙄 🤢 ---
**Author:** ![gnarator](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gnarator/32/8266_2.png) [@gnarator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gnarator)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2021, 4:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/213 "2021-01-09T04:09:07Z")
> [@Riemann](#): > > Correct. Schadenfreude is “harm-joy”, so it’s not figurative at all, it’s literally pleasure at others coming to harm. I thought it was “shameful joy.” I’ll have to look for my German-English dictionary. > [@Mike\_Mabes](#): > > _American voters remain wary of big government and have not handed one party more than two consecutive terms in the White House since 1992._ > Not quite right. Bush followed Reagan, getting elected in 1988. Before that, all the way back to Truman this country has shifted from Democratic President to Republican President. Uh, how are they incorrect? Bush lost in 1992. They said since 1992. What’s interesting is that the last 3 presidents before Trump each served 2 consecutive terms. That hasn’t happened since the early days of the republic, with Jefferson-Madison-Monroe. Single-term Presidents and dying in office were more common. Come to think of it, of the 44 men who were Presidents, 8 died in office. That’s a pretty high percentage. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2021, 4:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/214 "2021-01-09T04:09:22Z")
Most of them do profess to being Christian… ---
**Author:** ![Riemann](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/riemann/32/3133_2.png) [@Riemann](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Riemann)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2021, 4:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/215 "2021-01-09T04:12:17Z")
> [@gnarator](#): > > I thought it was “shameful joy.” I’ll have to look for my German-English dictionary. shame = Schande harm = Shaden ---
**Author:** ![SCAdian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/scadian/32/3292_2.png) [@SCAdian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SCAdian)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2021, 4:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/216 "2021-01-09T04:18:35Z")
Schade – pity Das is Schade. – That’s a pity. That’s a shame. ---
**Author:** ![SCAdian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/scadian/32/3292_2.png) [@SCAdian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SCAdian)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2021, 4:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/217 "2021-01-09T04:19:33Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > Most of them do profess to being Christian… 😃 ---
**Author:** ![gnarator](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gnarator/32/8266_2.png) [@gnarator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gnarator)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2021, 4:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/218 "2021-01-09T04:37:42Z")
> [@SCAdian](#): > > Schade – pity > Das is Schade. – That’s a pity. That’s a shame. > [@Riemann](#): > > shame = Schande > harm = Shaden My bad. My dictionary translates it as “malicious glee,” and _Schaden_ as harm, damage. ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2021, 5:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/219 "2021-01-09T05:15:53Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > Somehow he and Rudy thought that if they delayed the reading of the votes by JUST ONE DAY it would invalidate the whole process My understanding of the distorted thought process was that the timing of the certification of electors is specified by law. Miss the date and, they would have argued, it must go to the House process and the GOP has more states. ---
**Author:** ![Deeg](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/deeg/32/2955_2.png) [@Deeg](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Deeg)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2021, 6:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/220 "2021-01-09T06:01:04Z")
They’re all tying to save their careers. I wonder when the bubble head will leave. ---
**Author:** ![gnarator](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gnarator/32/8266_2.png) [@gnarator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gnarator)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2021, 7:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/221 "2021-01-09T07:17:22Z")
> [@DSeid](#): > > > [@DrDeth](#): > > > > Somehow he and Rudy thought that if they delayed the reading of the votes by JUST ONE DAY it would invalidate the whole process > > My understanding of the distorted thought process was that the timing of the certification of electors is specified by law. Miss the date and, they would have argued, it must go to the House process and the GOP has more states. I couldn’t make sense out of the phone call Giuliani made to Mike Lee’s voicemail (the one where he thought he was talking to Tuberville. ) They wanted objections to more states, apparently to drag it out. I suppose that could be it, but I thought he was referring to getting state legislators sending different electors. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020.md?page=10) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020.md?page=12)