# 7 Jan 2021 and beyond - the aftermath of the storming of the Capitol **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [January 8, 2021, 10:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020 "2021-01-08T10:28:28Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 120
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2021, 10:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/2389 "2021-10-30T10:59:00Z")
Correction: The filing is _by_ the National Archives _about_ the Trump request, not by Trump himself. ---
**Author:** ![naita](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naita/32/5862_2.png) [@naita](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/naita)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2021, 12:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/2390 "2021-10-30T12:09:51Z")
Who had _Washington post publishes leaked draft op-eds_ on their bingo card? The Post starts the text with this: > _Below is the text of a draft op-ed Greg Jacob wrote in January 2021, when he was chief counsel to Vice President Mike Pence, but ultimately decided not to publish. The Washington Post obtained a copy of the draft for this [story](https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/eastman-pence-email-riot-trump/2021/10/29/59373016-38c1-11ec-91dc-551d44733e2d_story.html?itid=lk_inline_manual_1)examining Trump attorney John Eastman’s actions around the events of Jan. 6._ There’s a tiny bit of derision for the left, but overwhelmingly it’s an anti-Trump’s lawyers text, and this sentence deserves to be repeated in every proceeding against Trump’s laywers: > There is no room in the legal profession for Grima Wormtongues who counsel their clients with half-truths and deceptive presentations made in pursuit of a personal agenda. There certainly is no room in the Oval Office. > **[Read: Pence aide Greg Jacob’s draft opinion article denouncing Trump’s...](https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/pence-jacob-trump-op-ed/2021/10/29/d9f324ac-392b-11ec-91dc-551d44733e2d_story.html)** ---
**Author:** ![Ann\_Hedonia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ann_hedonia/32/319_2.png) [@Ann\_Hedonia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ann_Hedonia)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2021, 4:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/2391 "2021-11-01T16:04:35Z")
I just wanted to drop this link here, the Washington Post has published an incredibly detailed BEFORE / DURING / AFTER account of January 6th. It’s a long piece, I just now finished the first part. It makes the law enforcement agencies, especially the FBI, look incredibly incompetent - if not complicit. This link is gifted from my account, it’s not paywalled for two weeks and won’t count against your free views. > **[The Attack: Before, During and After](https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/interactive/2021/jan-6-insurrection-capitol/?pwapi_token=eyJ0eXAiOiJKV1QiLCJhbGciOiJIUzI1NiJ9.eyJzdWJpZCI6IjQ1Njg4NzciLCJyZWFzb24iOiJnaWZ0IiwibmJmIjoxNjM1Nzc5ODYwLCJpc3MiOiJzdWJzY3JpcHRpb25zIiwiZXhwIjoxNjM2OTg5NDYwLCJpYXQiOjE2MzU3Nzk4NjAsImp0aSI6IjViODE4NzI5LWJiMjEtNDdiNy1iYzg0LTc4YzYwMWNlYjdmNyIsInVybCI6Imh0dHBzOi8vd3d3Lndhc2hpbmd0b25wb3N0LmNvbS9wb2xpdGljcy9pbnRlcmFjdGl2ZS8yMDIxL2phbi02LWluc3VycmVjdGlvbi1jYXBpdG9sLyJ9.lk6PuLdAfuMjl9B-dooZ6AC2xzVsvKITD3HToYEWjhU&itid=gfta)** > > An investigation by The Post reveals numerous new warnings of violence on Jan. 6 that went unheeded, the cost of President Donald Trump’s inaction as the Capitol was overrun and the distrust that has spread across the country in the aftermath. ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2021, 5:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/2392 "2021-11-01T17:23:50Z")
It’s good Ann\_Hedonia. I’m about 2/3 through it. It is a long piece. I wish they where throwing the book at these assholes and traitors. Including the leader. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2021, 5:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/2393 "2021-11-01T17:25:19Z")
I’ve always been baffled by the “we had no idea this was gonna happen” excuse. I mean, _I_ fucking knew it was coming and I’m just a regular guy who looks at teh regular intarwebz. ---
**Author:** ![JaneDoe42](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/janedoe42/32/14104_2.png) [@JaneDoe42](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JaneDoe42)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2021, 6:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/2394 "2021-11-01T18:02:32Z")
Oh, yeah. During the attack I was baffled by people seeming surprised that it was going on. How could anyone have _not_ known that something very not good was going to happen at the capital that day? ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2021, 6:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/2395 "2021-11-01T18:54:19Z")
Oh, and after the attack. “No big deal”. One went so far as saying “It was just tourists.” Forget who it was but he helped man a barricade. ---
**Author:** ![Ann\_Hedonia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ann_hedonia/32/319_2.png) [@Ann\_Hedonia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ann_Hedonia)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2021, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/2396 "2021-11-01T20:14:48Z")
I don’t know that I’m “baffled”, it’s obvious to me that there was a large degree of willful ignorance involved, because God forbid that anyone go against the “Republicans Good, Democrats Bad” orthodoxy of the Trump administration. It was telling that Robert O’Brien, Trump’s National Security advisor, thought that the only threats came from counter-protesters. I do find it dismaying that Chris Wray refuses to publicly acknowledge a connection between Trump’s election loss and the violence of January 6th. This was from his testimony in June, where he also referred to the “Stop the Steal” movement as scattered online chatter. So what we’ve learned is that if a Republican makes a violent threat, even a specific one, it’s going to be classified by the FBI as “aspirational” because “Republicans Good”. I also found it interesting that the insurrectionists had been inserting the word “peaceful” into their violent threats in order to keep them being deleted by social media platforms, to the extent that it was a joke….”We will peacefully take out Mitt Romney first”. That throws a new light onto Trump’s call for a peaceful march to the Capitol. ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2021, 9:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/2397 "2021-11-01T21:09:10Z")
> [@Ann\_Hedonia](#): > > ”We will peacefully take out Mitt Romney first” “We promise to not torture him before we ‘take him out’.” That’s peaceful, ain’t it? ---
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2021, 11:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/2398 "2021-11-01T23:02:14Z")
> [@Ann\_Hedonia](#): > > In other words, he didn’t do anything wrong because he was acting on behalf of Donald Trump. In the words of his lawyer “It offends due process to convict an individual who was acting upon authorization of a public official.” So lets see if I have this straight. The violence on January 6th which didn’t happen because it was a totally peaceful protest resulting in 5 deaths, was instigated by Antifa members, who are innocent because they were acting under the official orders of Trump, who is himself totally innocent as no one would think what he said was a call for violence. Have I got that right? Is there anything I’m missing? ---
**Author:** ![OttoDaFe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ottodafe/32/356_2.png) [@OttoDaFe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OttoDaFe)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2021, 12:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/2399 "2021-11-02T00:05:28Z")
Not quite. The Antifa members who instigated the peaceful protest were guilty as sin; it’s the **Patriots** who resisted them that were acting under the orders of Trump, and are therefore innocent. Doctor! Doctor! DOCTOR!!! My brain hurts! ---
**Author:** ![digs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/digs/32/14889_2.png) [@digs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/digs)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2021, 3:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/2400 "2021-11-02T03:34:18Z")
I’m so proud. My alma mater puts out a newsletter with serious thinkers simplifying complex issues, like: > **[The January 6 Insurrection Hoax](https://imprimis.hillsdale.edu/january-6-insurrection-hoax/)** > > Of course, it is absolutely critical to the Democratic Party narrative that the January 6 incident be made to seem as violent and crazed as possible. Hence the comparisons to 9/11, Pearl Harbor, and the Civil War. Only thus can pro-Trump Americans be... ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2021, 9:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/2401 "2021-11-02T09:25:20Z")
TL; DR version: “Semi-coherent Gish gallop of superficial right-wing talking points, outright fabrications and abused logic.” Anyone still using the “but he said _peacefully_!” argument deserves nothing but scorn. ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2021, 12:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/2402 "2021-11-02T12:08:52Z")
I replied to that College paper. r_emoved Email address_ I basically told Roger (the Editor) to stop telling lies. ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2021, 12:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/2403 "2021-11-02T12:36:24Z")
**Modnote** : Your post was pretty much a call to action. Do not do this again. I removed the Email part. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2021, 12:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/2404 "2021-11-02T12:38:28Z")
I noticed that he managed all the right dogwhistles: racist comments, misogynistic comments, etc. But my biggest impressions from reading that is that he doesn’t know what the word "oligarchy’ means and that he projects more than a multiplex. ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2021, 12:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/2405 "2021-11-02T12:59:43Z")
What\_Exit - Sorry, sorry sorry. Won’t happen again. ---
**Author:** ![SuntanLotion](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suntanlotion/32/16165_2.png) [@SuntanLotion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SuntanLotion)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2021, 1:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/2406 "2021-11-02T13:41:53Z")
I knew I disliked the Patriots for good reason. …sorry🏈 ---
**Author:** ![digs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/digs/32/14889_2.png) [@digs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/digs)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2021, 4:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/2407 "2021-11-02T16:53:52Z")
> [@enipla](#): > > I replied to that College paper. r _emoved Email address_ > > I basically told Roger (the Editor) to stop telling lies. Hey, thanks! Yeah, I loved going to a small college, and many of the students were hippie-wannabe liberals, but the far-right administration did a pretty good job of radicalizing me in the other direction. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2021, 10:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/2408 "2021-11-04T22:26:35Z")
Here’s some more aftermath: > **[Rioter who bragged she wouldn't go to jail gets prison term](https://apnews.com/article/joe-biden-crime-texas-prisons-social-media-0f9e470c9871a2f5f1440df76ee23671)** > > A real estate agent from suburban Dallas who flaunted her participation in the Jan. Others in the article get jail time, too. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020.md?page=119) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020.md?page=121)