# 7 Jan 2021 and beyond - the aftermath of the storming of the Capitol **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [January 8, 2021, 10:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020 "2021-01-08T10:28:28Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 137
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2022, 1:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/2729 "2022-01-11T13:08:16Z")
Whatever happened to that guy who was seen wearing his work ID? I did feel sorry for him since apparently he was a little mentally delayed? ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2022, 2:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/2730 "2022-01-11T14:34:45Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > “His last words were ‘go to the Capitol’ and before that it was ‘show strength’ and ‘fight.’ _Let’s all go to the riiiiiot! Let’s all go to the riiiiiot! Let’s all go to the riiiiiiot To overthrow the vote!_ [![](https://cdn.dribbble.com/users/1398268/screenshots/10089916/media/732e9ebd0320380c0128f2fd01238727.png?compress=1&resize=1200x900&vertical=top) ](https://cdn.dribbble.com/users/1398268/screenshots/10089916/media/732e9ebd0320380c0128f2fd01238727.png?compress=1&resize=1200x900&vertical=top) ---
**Author:** ![Turek](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/turek/32/18782_2.png) [@Turek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Turek)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2022, 2:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/2731 "2022-01-11T14:53:08Z")
> **[GOP official dodges questions over forged Trump election document](https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/gop-official-dodges-questions-after-she-is-accused-of-sending-forged-certificate-claiming-trump-won-b1990348.html)** > > The forgeries are being investigated by the Capitol riot select committee > Republican activists in Michigan and Arizona tried sending the National Archives fake documents purporting to award each state’s 2020 electoral votes to Donald Trump and Mike Pence. The erroneous documents are now in the hands of the House select committee investigating the 6 January insurrection. This is in addition to the Wisconsin fake electors. > **[The voter fraud you didn’t hear about: Wisconsin’s Electoral College imposters...](https://wisconsinexaminer.com/2021/02/16/the-voter-fraud-you-didnt-hear-about-wisconsins-electoral-college-imposters/)** > > Law Forward calls for an investigation into the 10 people who met and certified the Wisconsin 2020 election for defeated Donald Trump. ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2022, 7:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/2732 "2022-01-11T19:35:19Z")
This is like trying clean up your house with 6 dogs that have constant diarrhea. ---
**Author:** ![susan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/susan/32/17537_2.png) [@susan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/susan)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2022, 8:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/2733 "2022-01-11T20:26:40Z")
And bite ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2022, 10:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/2734 "2022-01-11T22:29:31Z")
Here’s the story of a man who did _not_ say “hold my beer”: > **[Texan pleads guilty Capitol breach role holding beer can](https://apnews.com/article/capitol-siege-texas-597e9fbcc1fbf207e8bb133fd33a69c9)** > > FORT WORTH, Texas (AP) — A North Texas man has pleaded guilty to picketing in the U.S. Capitol while holding a beer can, according to court records. Thomas Paul Conover, 53, of Keller, Texas, entered his plea in a Friday videoconference with a... ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2022, 1:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/2735 "2022-01-12T01:07:51Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > IMO every single member of the so-called Capitol Police intelligence unit should be immediately unemployed: > [Intel reports repeatedly failed to forecast Capitol riot | AP News](https://apnews.com/article/capitol-siege-riots-donald-trump-congress-433501bc3152f036e818f22bb702942e) You may be right that the Capitol Police intelligence unit members should be fired. But I’m more concerned by the 1/6-related failures of the FBI–which surely had resources _vastly_ greater than the CP, when it comes to information about those who were planning to come to D.C. to commit mayhem. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2022, 1:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/2736 "2022-01-12T01:09:36Z")
It isn’t an either/or situation and I have no idea why you’d quote me, sort of agree with me, and then declare my priorities to be messed up by bringing up something that wasn’t being discussed. I mean, yeah, the FBI… but I’m more worried about the long-term effects of climate change on the Western US agriculture industries. 🙄 ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2022, 1:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/2737 "2022-01-12T01:17:22Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > … then declare my priorities to be messed up. ??? From the article you linked in the earlier post: > [@](#): > > …Adding to the mixed intelligence portrait is a Jan. 5 bulletin prepared by the FBI’s Norfolk field office that warned of the potential for “war” at the Capitol. Capitol Police leaders have said they were unaware of that document at the time. FBI Director Chris Wray has said the report was disseminated through the FBI’s joint terrorism task force, discussed at a command post in Washington and posted on an internet portal available to other law enforcement agencies. > Capitol Police officials have repeatedly insisted that they had no specific or credible intelligence that any demonstration at the Capitol would result in a large-scale attack on the building. … So, yes, **the Capitol Police intelligence operation failed miserably.** But that doesn’t mean that the FBI’s procedures were golden–plainly they failed to communicate to the CP that their assessment was wildly different to that of the CP intelligence unit. (None of this constitutes declaring ‘your priorities to be messed up.’) ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2022, 1:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/2738 "2022-01-12T01:20:36Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > I mean, yeah, the FBI… but I’m more worried about the long-term effects of climate change on the Western US agriculture industries. I guess that comparison would make sense if, as a nation, we decide that _‘intelligence used by the FBI is and should be completely irrelevant to intelligence used by the Capitol Police’_—but I’m not sure why we would do that. ---
**Author:** ![not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/not_what_you_d_expect/32/3246_2.png) [@not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/not_what_you_d_expect)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2022, 11:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/2739 "2022-01-12T11:00:51Z")
Right?! I myself am getting pretty motherfucking sick of all this motherfucking crime going on right in front our faces and nobody paying a price for it. Dammit. ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2022, 12:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/2740 "2022-01-12T12:22:28Z")
Ah, but what brand? Think of the endorsement money from the MAGAT Beer company! ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2022, 1:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/2741 "2022-01-12T13:56:43Z")
Here’s some news: > **[Mother and daughter plead guilty to Jan. 6-related charges](https://apnews.com/article/capitol-siege-lifestyle-travel-donald-trump-connecticut-3360d0364a45e0187ec959c056abc29a)** > > A Connecticut woman and her adult daughter pleaded guilty Tuesday to charges stemming from when they entered the U.S. Capitol during the Jan. 6 riot by supporters of then-President Donald Trump. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2022, 2:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/2742 "2022-01-12T14:35:15Z")
‘Texan pleads guilty [to] Capitol breach role holding beer can’ They allow alcohol in court? What, was he like ‘Ah’m guilty y’Honnah. Bottoms up!’? ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2022, 2:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/2743 "2022-01-12T14:51:53Z")
Going to a public debate about the Insurrection tonight. I’m printing 10 copies of the following and passing them out because the first question is “was it an insurrection or a rally gone bad?” and I literally do not want to spend my time debating facts. > **[American Coup.pdf](https://drive.google.com/file/d/14dna6_YMDb6xg1Fr0bUypf9IQn8iKxLa/view?usp=sharing)** > > Google Drive file. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2022, 2:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/2744 "2022-01-12T14:55:15Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > The lawyer for a guy who was 19 when he attacked the Capitol is trying to claim that his client’s brain wasn’t fully developed at the time he tried to overthrow the government… Well, he loses, obviously, as well he should - but SCOTUS did cite research on brain development in striking down juvenile death penalties across the country in _Roper v. Simmons_ (2005). > [@enipla](#): > > This is like trying clean up your house with 6 dogs that have constant diarrhea. FTW! ---
**Author:** ![Akaj](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/akaj/32/145_2.png) [@Akaj](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Akaj)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2022, 3:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/2745 "2022-01-12T15:06:03Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > Going to a public debate about the Insurrection tonight. I’m printing 10 copies of the following and passing them out because the first question is “was it an insurrection or a rally gone bad?” and I literally do not want to spend my time debating facts. > > [American Coup.pdf - Google Drive](https://drive.google.com/file/d/14dna6_YMDb6xg1Fr0bUypf9IQn8iKxLa/view?usp=sharing) Awesome doc! But if you’re interested in any unsolicited advice, I might take out section 1a (about Trump’s mishandling of COVID). While it’s certainly true, it’s more opinion about why Trump deserved to lose than fact about his efforts to undo his loss. It might just end up prompting arguments about COVID and take away from all your excellent documentation of the multiple insurrections. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2022, 3:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/2746 "2022-01-12T15:10:49Z")
I want to avoid any discussion as to the mood of the electorate on 11.3.2020, which is why I started with that section: “Here’s how many died. Here’s how many jobs were lost. Here’s why 81 million voted against him.” 240,000 lives and 16,000,000 jobs lost are figures I can repeatedly fire back with if this question ever comes up, and I wanted this in print. Objectively, _by the numbers_, Trump deserved to lose. I believe that point needs to be addressed before anything else, otherwise the debate _may_ turn into a “well, shouldn’t he fight an election he thought he actually won? What’s wrong with all this?” My point is “No, he didn’t win it. He sucked. 240k/16m”, and just repeat that. Like they do when they make their arguments. Repetition, repetition, repetition, and you never back down. ---
**Author:** ![Akaj](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/akaj/32/145_2.png) [@Akaj](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Akaj)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2022, 3:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/2747 "2022-01-12T15:17:58Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > Objectively, _by the numbers_ , Trump deserved to lose. No argument. But “deserved to lose” is different from “actually lost, and started multiple insurrections to try to undo the loss.” And it sounds like the debate is about the latter, not the former. But you know the crowd and the event better than I do. ---
**Author:** ![SuntanLotion](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suntanlotion/32/16165_2.png) [@SuntanLotion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SuntanLotion)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2022, 3:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/2748 "2022-01-12T15:19:53Z")
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