# 7 Jan 2021 and beyond - the aftermath of the storming of the Capitol **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [January 8, 2021, 10:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020 "2021-01-08T10:28:28Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 142
**Author:** ![JaneDoe42](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/janedoe42/32/14104_2.png) [@JaneDoe42](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JaneDoe42)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2022, 4:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/2829 "2022-01-20T04:12:12Z")
> [@GreysonCarlisle](#): > > Kinda wish Trump still had Twitter. I’d love to see his head asplode. I also miss his twitter presence. The Fat Orange Baboon is the only reason I had an account. ---
**Author:** ![Slithy\_Tove](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slithy_tove/32/18248_2.png) [@Slithy\_Tove](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slithy_Tove)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2022, 5:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/2830 "2022-01-20T05:11:56Z")
[John McNaughton](https://jonmcnaughton.com/solitary-confinement-16x20-giclee-canvas-print-signed-and-numbered-edition-100/) honors the insurrection in oils. ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2022, 7:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/2831 "2022-01-20T07:46:26Z")
The Supreme Court’s ruling is kind of odd, though, isn’t it? “We find that your argument has failed because it was made on these grounds. It’s likely that you would have gotten more traction if you’d argued X, Y, Z instead.” Roberts famously claimed that his job as a jurist is to call “balls and strikes.” This feels more like the umpire has gone out to the mound to offer advice on the pitcher’s throwing motion. ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2022, 1:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/2832 "2022-01-20T13:02:45Z")
I read it as just the reverse. The Court of Appeals considered the case from all angles, including the strongest case, as if Trump were still Prez, and correctly ruled against him. Therefore the more complicated case, but clearly weaker one, of a former Prez, should be considered obiter, ie the Supreme Court wasn’t accepting or rejecting that part of the decision. ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2022, 1:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/2833 "2022-01-20T13:21:53Z")
That’s what Kavanaugh’s concurrence is saying: > [@](#): > > The Court of Appeals concluded that the privilege claim at issue here would not succeed **even under** the _Nixon_ and _Senate Select Committee_ tests. Therefore, as this Court’s order today makes clear, the Court of Appeals’ broader statements questioning whether a former President may successfully invoke the Presidential communications privilege if the current President does not support the claim were dicta and should not be considered binding precedent going forward. The _Nixon_ case was a sitting President advancing a privilege claim, which failed. That’s the strongest possible case. Even applying that case, as if Trump were the Prez, he didn’t succeed. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2022, 2:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/2834 "2022-01-20T14:26:36Z")
Here’s CNN on the decision: > **[Supreme Court ruling is a bitter legal and personal blow to Trump | CNN Politics](https://www.cnn.com/2022/01/20/politics/donald-trump-supreme-court-january-6-committee/index.html)** > > The Supreme Court's refusal to block the release of Trump White House documents to the House January 6 committee represents a huge defeat for the ex-President's frantic effort to cover up his 2021 coup attempt. ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2022, 2:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/2835 "2022-01-20T14:34:45Z")
Oh, to be a fly on Mike Pence’s head, er, on the wall when Cheato heard the news… 🗯🤯 ---
**Author:** ![wguy123](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wguy123/32/3161_2.png) [@wguy123](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wguy123)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2022, 3:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/2836 "2022-01-20T15:46:20Z")
Just checked his old timey blog site (no comments allowed) and nothing from him. I know something is coming. Just a few days ago Tucker Carlson called Kavanaugh a cringing little liberal so I expect even better things out of Trump. Hope those three Justices are wearing masks to protect their faces from the 😸 ---
**Author:** ![Ann\_Hedonia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ann_hedonia/32/319_2.png) [@Ann\_Hedonia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ann_Hedonia)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2022, 4:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/2837 "2022-01-20T16:17:46Z")
I’ve been expecting CheetoFace to spew the moniker “Amy Phoney Barrett” for the fake RINO conservative for some time now. Maybe today will be the day. ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2022, 5:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/2838 "2022-01-20T17:23:16Z")
> [@Slithy\_Tove](#): > > [John McNaughton](https://jonmcnaughton.com/solitary-confinement-16x20-giclee-canvas-print-signed-and-numbered-edition-100/) honors the insurrection in oils. He has some unintentional pearls of wisdom: “What has become of our country when they choose to fight against its own people? Many Americans today feel that they have been denied their Constitutional rights and freedoms and are isolated and forgotten, in essence, placed in a solitary confinement.” ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2022, 1:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/2839 "2022-01-21T01:19:10Z")
> [@Aspenglow](#): > > Is Trump _ever_ pleasant company? Heh. I _knew_ that off-the-cuff phrasing was not going to pass muster! But seriously, many reports have it that some days he screams and yells continuously, while on other days, he screams and yells a bit less. Wednesday night was plainly a “continuously” one. > > [@Peter\_Morris](#): > > > [@Sherrerd](#): > > > > In any case, Trump will be unpleasant company tonight: all _three_ of the Supreme Court Justices he appointed have _betrayed_ him! > > Again. Yeah. Why someone hasn’t come up with some sort of apparatus that would turn Trump’s fuming into electricity, is a wonder. He could power half of Florida. ---
**Author:** ![GreysonCarlisle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a87d85/32.png) [@GreysonCarlisle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GreysonCarlisle)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2022, 1:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/2840 "2022-01-21T01:41:19Z")
> [@Sherrerd](#): > > Yeah. Why someone hasn’t come up with some sort of apparatus that would turn Trump’s fuming into electricity, is a wonder. He could power half of Florida.  Forget Florida. He still owes New York taxes. ---
**Author:** ![Senegoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senegoid/32/6606_2.png) [@Senegoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Senegoid)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2022, 4:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/2841 "2022-01-21T04:46:36Z")
> [@Sherrerd](#): > > turn Trump’s fuming into electricity, is a wonder. He could power half of Florida. Forget Florida _and_ New York. In the news, there’s another cold snap a-heading for Texas. They might need the energy. ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2022, 4:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/2842 "2022-01-21T04:48:54Z")
> [@Sherrerd](#): > > Heh. I _knew_ that off-the-cuff phrasing was not going to pass muster! I was just pointing out the obvious, and I knew you were already well aware. 😉 Low hanging fruit. ---
**Author:** ![CaptMurdock](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/captmurdock/32/11736_2.png) [@CaptMurdock](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CaptMurdock)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2022, 7:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/2843 "2022-01-21T19:29:59Z")
I’m waiting for him to ask how a rapist like Kavanaugh got on the Supreme Court in the first place. Obviously it was the behind the scenes dealings of Mitch McConnell that got it done. ---
**Author:** ![rocking\_chair](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rocking_chair/32/2918_2.png) [@rocking\_chair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rocking_chair)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2022, 8:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/2844 "2022-01-21T20:06:28Z")
the pages are flying now. things are getting tighter. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2022, 8:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/2845 "2022-01-21T20:51:35Z")
> [@Senegoid](#): > > > [@Sherrerd](#): > > > > turn Trump’s fuming into electricity, is a wonder. He could power half of Florida. > > Forget Florida _and_ New York. In the news, there’s another cold snap a-heading for Texas. They might need the energy. If Ted Cruz isn’t already on the next plane out, I’m sure he’d be glad to hook His Orange Lord and Master up. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2022, 6:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/2846 "2022-01-22T06:30:56Z")
Here’s some news: > **[Texas attorney general refuses to hand over Jan. 6 records](https://apnews.com/article/donald-trump-ken-paxton-austin-texas-db29e858b4fd435880cd43f62fe890a2)** > > AUSTIN, Texas (AP) — Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton has rejected a prosecutor’s demand for records of his appearance at a pro-Donald Trump rally that preceded the assault on the U.S. Capitol. Last week, the Travis County district attorney’s office... ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2022, 5:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/2847 "2022-01-22T17:00:56Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > Here’s some news: > [Texas attorney general refuses to hand over Jan. 6 records | AP News](https://apnews.com/article/donald-trump-ken-paxton-austin-texas-db29e858b4fd435880cd43f62fe890a2) Arrest him. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2022, 5:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/2848 "2022-01-22T17:27:50Z")
A group in North Carolina is [challenging](https://freespeechforpeople.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/01/nc-14.3-complaint-cawthorn-final-2022-01-10.pdf) the re-election candidacy of North Carolina Representative Madison Cawthorn on the basis of section three of the Fourteenth Amendment (see below for text). He’s dismissing the challenge (see [Fox News](https://www.foxnews.com/politics/rep-cawthorn-efforts-ballot-jan-6-snowballs-chance-hell)) but according to an [New York Times op-ed](https://www.nytimes.com/2022/01/21/opinion/14th-amendment-madison-cawthorn.html) by a former U.S. attorney, there is a strong case. And there are some other Republican House members who might be challenged on similar ground. > **Summary** > > “No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof.” [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020.md?page=141) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020.md?page=143)