# 7 Jan 2021 and beyond - the aftermath of the storming of the Capitol **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [January 8, 2021, 10:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020 "2021-01-08T10:28:28Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 146
**Author:** ![Railer13](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/railer13/32/9742_2.png) [@Railer13](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Railer13)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2022, 7:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/2909 "2022-02-07T19:49:41Z")
> [@mistymage](#): > > He never delivered much during his time as VP… why would the “Koch family” care to further fund him? The Koch family were one of the early mega-donors and are still funding the Federalist Society, which is where Pence was speaking last week. Now, I doubt that Pence has much of a political future (hope not), but he is still available. ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2022, 8:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/2910 "2022-02-07T20:47:35Z")
> [@Railer13](#): > > Pence has had and still has the backing of the Koch family, who have extremely deep pockets. Trump was facing almost nothing but deep pockets in the early primaries, and was spending very little of his own cash (however much he actually has) on publicity efforts. He spent a bit on his online presence, especially focused on fund-raising, and then leaned heavily on the free air time that materialized around him every time he said something obnoxious and outrageous. The vast heaps of money arrayed against him ended up mattering not at all. Now, I do think that Trump himself is a walking black swan, and massive expenditures are critically important in a typical race with normal candidates who need to be propped up and their images massaged on television. But Trump demonstrated that the right candidate can transcend the conventional wisdom around money, and that conversely a bad candidate can have all the money in the world and still be a non-starter. ---
**Author:** ![naita](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naita/32/5862_2.png) [@naita](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/naita)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2022, 6:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/2911 "2022-02-08T06:52:27Z")
> [@Cervaise](#): > > Now, I do think that Trump himself is a walking black swan, and massive expenditures are critically important in a typical race with normal candidates who need to be propped up and their images massaged on television. But Trump demonstrated that the right candidate can transcend the conventional wisdom around money, and that conversely a bad candidate can have all the money in the world and still be a non-starter. Important to remember that Trump did have preexisting celebrity going for him. It helped him get a lot of exposure other candidates would have to pay for. He also tapped into the “many voters are happy being constantly and obviously lied to” vein, which has kept being successful for a significant number of GOP candidates, but I don’t think there are many who have copied his initial “spend little money approach”. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2022, 12:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/2912 "2022-02-09T00:07:40Z")
What have you done with the real Mitch McConnell?? > **[McConnell Denounces R.N.C. Censure of Jan. 6 Panel Members](https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/08/us/politics/republicans-censure-mcconnell.html?unlocked_article_code=AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAACEIPuomT1JKd6J17Vw1cRCfTTMQmqxCdw_PIxftm3iWka3DPDm4SiPkORJCH_0bRZKF4IME-xymRQN5KObk0Afd_yPRCJUEoTgKjpZ2ClZABZSUprIb5FkUH46XwZ5Fquzn7cjv-b-5l2Ly0ux_BaGPsCPPY0SA-JQtvpY9iJlmpxXxYk_raQbYk04J02a13BswqVi5AMHfRx4TgCRl9Md2MbhHOuEJhC6wCB2alzZPL4KkAcQ5SFVvGUHp0hG8-49pfM9kSV73te19iIIGtxOVMVRE7aduhFJYzRIPLlr91sbarqBWEycK-xfteB7w1RWZN8QVJmUuTLzpUPnAw&smid=url-share)** > > Senator Mitch McConnell joined a chorus of Republicans distancing themselves from the committee’s action, describing the Capitol riot as “a violent insurrection.” Shared link. Should be accessible. Pushback from Trump in 3… 2… 1… ---
**Author:** ![jsc1953](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/5daacb/32.png) [@jsc1953](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jsc1953)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2022, 12:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/2913 "2022-02-09T00:10:47Z")
Republican vs Republican, cage match to the death. Pass the popcorn! ---
**Author:** ![Grrr](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/grrr/32/146_2.png) [@Grrr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Grrr)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2022, 12:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/2914 "2022-02-09T00:18:12Z")
He’s still as slimy as ever. Mitch is playing the long game. Something Trump isn’t capable of. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2022, 12:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/2915 "2022-02-09T00:22:11Z")
Mitch is not pro trump. He is pro Mitch first and secondarily pro GOP. Note that pro-America is not on that list. ---
**Author:** ![Dung\_Beetle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dung_beetle/32/7945_2.png) [@Dung\_Beetle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dung_Beetle)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2022, 2:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/2916 "2022-02-09T02:05:11Z")
Definitely. Lock Trump and McConnell in a room together and let them fight it out. The winner can stay the fuck in there until he starves. ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2022, 8:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/2917 "2022-02-09T20:32:40Z")
Little Marco offers the Sideshow Bob Defense: [https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/593463-rubio-calls-jan-6-attack-a-violent-riot](https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/593463-rubio-calls-jan-6-attack-a-violent-riot) > “There was no way they were going to overthrow the government,” Rubio said of the hundreds of people that descended on the Capitol, some breaching the building and assaulting police officers as lawmakers, aides and journalists cowered inside. “It’s just not. It wasn’t going to happen. They were able to delay by a few hours, the vote count but there was absolutely no way did we ever come close in any way shape or form to those people leading to the overthrow of the government of the United States of America.” > Rubio added that it is “important” for people to “characterize this as it was.”… ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2022, 9:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/2918 "2022-02-09T21:57:03Z")
> [@Grrr](#): > > He’s still as slimy as ever. Mitch is playing the long game. Something Trump isn’t capable of. > [@DrDeth](#): > > Mitch is not pro trump. He is pro Mitch first and secondarily pro GOP. Note that pro-America is not on that list. **I agree. But what are they up to?** > **[Rep. Kevin McCarthy Finally Admits Capitol Riot Was ‘Violent Insurrection’](https://www.huffpost.com/entry/kevin-mccarthy-capitol-riot-violent-insurrection_n_6203f97ee4b02f4ed47c96d3)** > > The House GOP leader still defended the Republican National Committee’s suggestion that the events of Jan. 6, 2021, were “legitimate political discourse.” WASHINGTON — House Republican leader [Kevin McCarthy](https://www.huffpost.com/news/topic/kevin-mccarthy) said Wednesday he agreed that the [Capitol riot](https://www.huffpost.com/news/topic/capitol-riot) was a violent insurrection, the clearest answer he’s given after dodging the issue this week. > Asked Wednesday about Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell’s (R-Ky.) description of the riot as a “violent insurrection,” McCarthy said he agreed. > > “No one would disagree with that,” McCarthy told reporters. > > Plenty of Republicans disagree with the term “violent insurrection” ― several House members have even suggested that federal agents actually tricked Trump supporters into ransacking the Capitol. > … ---
**Author:** ![OttoDaFe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ottodafe/32/356_2.png) [@OttoDaFe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OttoDaFe)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2022, 10:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/2919 "2022-02-09T22:03:02Z")
“See? We’re all in agreement and on the same page. Time to move on.…” ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2022, 10:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/2920 "2022-02-09T22:11:26Z")
If there is “no way” for you to get into the bank vault, does attempting to do so no longer become a crime? ---
**Author:** ![Grrr](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/grrr/32/146_2.png) [@Grrr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Grrr)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2022, 10:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/2921 "2022-02-09T22:14:58Z")
And some optimists are saying indictments are coming. PS. I’m not an optimist. ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2022, 11:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/2922 "2022-02-09T23:58:39Z")
> [@Grrr](#): > > And some optimists are saying indictments are coming. > > PS. I’m not an optimist. - Neither am I. But, yes, Twitter is all-a-twitter with speculation that Mitch, Kevin, etc. “know something” and are scrambling to distance themselves from Trump before the “something” comes down. I’m a skeptic. (But I’d LOVE to be proven wrong!) ---
**Author:** ![DWMarch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dwmarch/32/1010_2.png) [@DWMarch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DWMarch)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2022, 6:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/2923 "2022-02-10T06:00:44Z")
The story I am following tonight is that Trump took classified documents out of the White House when he left. So if causing an insurrection can’t bring him down, I guess we’ll get him on some administrative bullshit (which is exactly what he will argue it is because of his unlimited power to decide what is and is not classified). Any other US citizen would be facing severe penalties for this but I can’t really get excited about it because it’s MSNBC’s 25,748th “Trump done fucked up now!” story. ---
**Author:** ![not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/not_what_you_d_expect/32/3246_2.png) [@not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/not_what_you_d_expect)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2022, 1:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/2924 "2022-02-10T13:23:26Z")
You see, there is no such thing as an attempted coup unless you succeed, in which case, it is no longer an attempted coup, it is a coup. See? Ta Da! ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2022, 1:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/2925 "2022-02-10T13:35:57Z")
There’s also the added benefit that it’s not illegal if it fails, and it’s totally legal if it succeeds because the rules are now changed! ---
**Author:** ![CalMeacham](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/calmeacham/32/35_2.png) [@CalMeacham](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CalMeacham)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2022, 2:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/2926 "2022-02-10T14:38:00Z")
Franklin: I’m surprised at you, Mr. Dickinson. Revolution is _never_ illegal in the first person – “our Revolution”. It’s only in the _third_ person – “Their Revolution” – that it’s _illegal_. –Peter Stone, **1776** ---
**Author:** ![rocking\_chair](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rocking_chair/32/2918_2.png) [@rocking\_chair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rocking_chair)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2022, 2:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/2927 "2022-02-10T14:46:06Z")
[WH Staff Say Trump Blocked Toilet by Flushing Documents: Report (businessinsider.com)](https://www.businessinsider.com/wh-staff-trump-blocked-toilet-flushed-wads-paper-report-2022-2) i was wondering when “the plumbers” (watergate reference) would get involved. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2022, 2:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/2928 "2022-02-10T14:52:20Z")
So when Trump made that statement about people needing to flush five or ten times, he was thinking of himself? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020.md?page=145) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020.md?page=147)