# 7 Jan 2021 and beyond - the aftermath of the storming of the Capitol **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [January 8, 2021, 10:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020 "2021-01-08T10:28:28Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 15
**Author:** ![Heffalump\_and\_Roo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/heffalump_and_roo/32/7691_2.png) [@Heffalump\_and\_Roo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Heffalump_and_Roo)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2021, 7:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/282 "2021-01-10T19:06:20Z")
In the category of shocking but is anyone surprised? Trump cared less about the damage to property and violence than he did about how the protestors looked “low class”. > **[Trump was more upset that Capitol mob looked ‘low class’ than about violent...](https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-election-2020/trump-mob-capitol-riots-poor-low-class-b1785099.html?utm_source=reddit.com)** > > Advisers say the president was ‘turned off’ by the look of his supporters as they attacked the US Capitol In the category of Trump lands on his feet once again. Unless Trump is impeached and removed from Office in the next 10 days, he’ll receive all the benefits of a former President. Removal by the 25th Amendment doesn’t do it. Neither does impeachment after his term is over. [**Under the Former Presidents Act, A Removed President Does Not Receive a Pension, Office Staff, Office Space, and Secret Service Protection. But an impeached-but-not-removed President would still receive the benefits.**](https://reason.com/volokh/2021/01/10/under-the-former-presidents-act-a-removed-president-does-not-receive-a-pension-office-staff-office-space-and-secret-service-protection/) Trump running in 2024 is still on the table? > **[Trump allies warn him not to run in 2024](https://www.politico.com/news/2021/01/10/trump-2024-campaign-456692)** > > Weeks ago, he seemed like the clear frontrunner. Now, Republicans blame him for inciting riots at the Capitol and his 2024 prospects are in doubt. More corporations need to be suspending their donations to politicians who incited the riots. OK, all corporations to all politicians. Corporations are not people. **Marriott Suspends Donations to Senators Who Opposed Vote Result** [Bloomberg](https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-01-10/marriott-suspends-donations-to-senators-who-opposed-vote-result) ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2021, 7:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/283 "2021-01-10T19:13:24Z")
Republicans got caught in bed with a hooker and now their zipping up their pants. They’ll lay low for a while; they’ll brush it off as an “indiscretion” and they’ll shift the focus back onto “socialism” and how the Democrats are trying to take their country away from them. I predict that the ones who hang their heads low and say “I’m sorry” will regret it a year or two from now; there will be those who be defiant and they will be rewarded for it. Who knows – some of the ones being charged might become martyrs for their “lost cause.” ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2021, 7:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/284 "2021-01-10T19:30:48Z")
> [@Heffalump\_and\_Roo](#): > > In the category of shocking but is anyone surprised? Trump cared less about the damage to property and violence than he did about how the protestors looked “low class”. See, this is proof that trump’s people did not plan the riots. If they had, they would have rented tuxedos for all of the participants. BTW, how are the MAGAts going to like for their Jefe to call them “low class”? That’s right up there with “deplorables.” ---
**Author:** ![Elmer\_J.Fudd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/elmer_j.fudd/32/1211_2.png) [@Elmer\_J.Fudd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elmer_J.Fudd)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2021, 7:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/285 "2021-01-10T19:32:04Z")
It’s so hard to get your hands an a genuine Trump Tie these days. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2021, 7:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/286 "2021-01-10T19:33:07Z")
> [@Elmer\_J.Fudd](#): > > It’s so hard to get your hands an a genuine Trump Tie these days. - It’s hard to tell them apart from a Chinese made knock-off. ---
**Author:** ![nelliebly](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/nelliebly/32/5422_2.png) [@nelliebly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nelliebly)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2021, 8:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/287 "2021-01-10T20:22:01Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > BTW, how are the MAGAts going to like for their Jefe to call them “low class”? That’s right up there with “deplorables.” No, no, that’s not how it works now. They simply won’t believe that Trump ever said it. It’s merely more evidence of “fake news” from the LSM, doncha know. ---
**Author:** ![Elmer\_J.Fudd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/elmer_j.fudd/32/1211_2.png) [@Elmer\_J.Fudd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elmer_J.Fudd)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2021, 9:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/288 "2021-01-10T21:51:43Z")
WaPo is reporting that the Capitol Police officer who died today was on duty during the siege and that police sources are telling them that it was suicide. > **[Capitol Police officer who was on duty during the riot has died by suicide,...](https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/public-safety/liebengood-capitol-police-death/2021/01/10/3a495b84-5357-11eb-a08b-f1381ef3d207_story.html?outputType=amp)** > > Howard Liebengood, 51, was the son of a Senate sergeant-at-arms and an officer since 2005. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2021, 11:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/289 "2021-01-10T23:10:15Z")
> [@Elmer\_J.Fudd](#): > > the Capitol Police officer who died today was on duty during the siege and that police sources are telling them that it was suicide I heard about this. I think we’ll see what happens over the next months, but I hope it wasn’t that he knew what camera footage showed. Oh, wait, he was off-duty? Your statement is on duty, but the headline says off-duty. Was he participating? ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2021, 11:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/290 "2021-01-10T23:12:02Z")
> [@Mahaloth](#): > > Was he participating? Reading more makes me think “no”, he was helping out the police? ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2021, 11:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/291 "2021-01-10T23:12:33Z")
My reading was that he died when off-duty, but was on-duty on the 6th. ---
**Author:** ![susan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/susan/32/17537_2.png) [@susan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/susan)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2021, 11:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/292 "2021-01-10T23:51:12Z")
My lovely wife thinks he reported what he had seen his fellow officers do, then suicided. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2021, 12:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/293 "2021-01-11T00:08:09Z")
> [@susan](#): > > My lovely wife thinks he reported what he had seen his fellow officers do Thinks like speculates or thinks like she heard this somewhere? ---
**Author:** ![Riemann](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/riemann/32/3133_2.png) [@Riemann](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Riemann)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2021, 12:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/294 "2021-01-11T00:12:43Z")
> [@Mahaloth](#): > > Oh, wait, he was off-duty? Your statement is on duty, but the headline says off-duty. The initial press release just said he was off duty on Jan **9th** , when he died. That’s where the first headlines came from. ---
**Author:** ![flurb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/51bf81/32.png) [@flurb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/flurb)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2021, 1:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/295 "2021-01-11T01:44:20Z")
[In at least one example of bravery and intelligence on behalf of law enforcement that day](https://twitter.com/kristin__wilson/status/1348297840779546627), Capitol Police Officer Eugene Goodman was alone as the mob came storming up the steps to the Senate Chamber. There were two corridors at the head of the stairs – one leading straight to the Senate chamber, and one leading away from it. Goodman shoved the lead rioter, then moved to defend the corridor leading AWAY from the Senate. The mob followed assuming that was the way to the Senate, buying time for other officers to secure the chamber. ---
**Author:** ![thorny\_locust](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thorny_locust/32/431_2.png) [@thorny\_locust](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thorny_locust)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2021, 1:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/296 "2021-01-11T01:56:46Z")
Thanks for posting that, flurb. I’d seen video of him shoving a rioter and then retreating, but had had no idea that while doing so he was misleading the mob away from the Senators – I had thought he was trying to get to the other officers for backup, having been caught alone on the stairs. ---
**Author:** ![galen\_ubal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/galen_ubal/32/4440_2.png) [@galen\_ubal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/galen_ubal)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2021, 2:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/297 "2021-01-11T02:01:12Z")
By the way, the man leading that group of insurrectionists has been arrested: [FBI arrests MAGA rioter who led mob that chased down a Black cop – DeadState](https://deadstate.org/fbi-arrests-maga-rioter-who-led-mob-that-chased-down-a-black-cop/) ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2021, 2:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/298 "2021-01-11T02:10:41Z")
> [@thorny\_locust](#): > > Thanks for posting that, flurb. I’d seen video of him shoving a rioter and then retreating, but had had no idea that while doing so he was misleading the mob away from the Senators - Same here. I couldn’t figure out why he didn’t shoot a few, it seemed a situation that would call for that. ---
**Author:** ![Railer13](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/railer13/32/9742_2.png) [@Railer13](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Railer13)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2021, 2:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/299 "2021-01-11T02:13:33Z")
> [@galen\_ubal](#): > > By the way, the man leading that group of insurrectionists has been arrested: He’s clearly undercover Antifa, leading the charge. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2021, 2:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/300 "2021-01-11T02:13:47Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > I couldn’t figure out why he didn’t shoot a few, it seemed a situation that would call for that. I’m still amazed it didn’t devolve into bloodbath. ---
**Author:** ![thorny\_locust](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thorny_locust/32/431_2.png) [@thorny\_locust](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thorny_locust)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2021, 2:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/301 "2021-01-11T02:51:45Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > I couldn’t figure out why he didn’t shoot a few, it seemed a situation that would call for that. I suspect it might be a bad idea for a lone man with no shelter to shoot at a mob. He wasn’t well enough armed to shoot them all, and the rest of them might have beaten him to death instead of running away. Of course, if they’d caught him they might have anyway – hard to tell. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020.md?page=14) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020.md?page=16)