# 7 Jan 2021 and beyond - the aftermath of the storming of the Capitol **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [January 8, 2021, 10:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020 "2021-01-08T10:28:28Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 151
**Author:** ![Morgyn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/morgyn/32/3041_2.png) [@Morgyn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgyn)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2022, 2:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/3009 "2022-03-08T14:44:23Z")
Wouldn’t those be taken out after the president leaves office, though? What would be the point of leaving them there? Or is it cheaper to just abandon in place than to remove? ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2022, 2:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/3010 "2022-03-08T14:47:57Z")
I don’t know. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2022, 2:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/3011 "2022-03-08T14:53:45Z")
I’m sorry, but your argument effectively rests on trump doing something different with these papers… being responsible w/ respect to the law… an attitude which he never held as president. That 1st article also forces me to take Sean Spicer at his word. He’s too much of a proven liar for him to have earned that trust. Not buying it. Your argument relies on me forgetting who we are talking about. ---
**Author:** ![rocking\_chair](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rocking_chair/32/2918_2.png) [@rocking\_chair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rocking_chair)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2022, 7:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/3012 "2022-03-08T19:04:07Z")
[Guy Reffitt: Jury finds first US Capitol riot defendant to go on trial guilty on all counts - CNNPolitics](https://www.cnn.com/2022/03/08/politics/january-6-reffitt-verdict/index.html) guilty, guilty, guilty, guilty, ever so guilty! ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2022, 7:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/3013 "2022-03-08T19:04:16Z")
We know very little about these documents, apparently just talking about what they are about is classified. I do wonder if they are the only copy. The not so kind side of me speculates that these were papers that had incriminating material on Trump, so he had them removed to somewhere where he thought they would be hidden, and also somewhere where he could have his people go through them and remove anything incriminating. ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Duality](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mr.duality/32/4098_2.png) [@Mr.Duality](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Duality)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2022, 7:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/3014 "2022-03-08T19:52:40Z")
Sentencing June 8th. Mark your calendars. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2022, 7:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/3015 "2022-03-08T19:55:43Z")
> [@Mr.Duality](#): > > Sentencing June 8th. Mark your calendars. - What the hell’s wrong with _now?_ ---
**Author:** ![rocking\_chair](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rocking_chair/32/2918_2.png) [@rocking\_chair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rocking_chair)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2022, 7:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/3016 "2022-03-08T19:59:46Z")
under 4 hours of deliberation. i believe the sentencing guidelines are 20, 20, 10, and some 5 years on the counts. i believe this may help more cases plead out. ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2022, 8:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/3017 "2022-03-08T20:06:05Z")
Are you asking rhetorically, or do you really want an answer? ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2022, 8:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/3018 "2022-03-08T20:07:08Z")
> [@Aspenglow](#): > > rhetorical > [@Aspenglow](#): > > Are you asking rhetorically, or do you really want an answer? Rhetorical. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2022, 9:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/3019 "2022-03-08T21:46:20Z")
> [@rocking\_chair](#): > > [Guy Reffitt: Jury finds first US Capitol riot defendant to go on trial guilty on all counts - CNNPolitics](https://www.cnn.com/2022/03/08/politics/january-6-reffitt-verdict/index.html) > > guilty, guilty, guilty, guilty, ever so guilty! :: steeples fingers :: Excellent. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2022, 10:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/3020 "2022-03-08T22:33:32Z")
Very good. Fuck that guy. > **[Guy Reffitt, 1st accused Capitol rioter to stand trial, found guilty on all...](https://abcnews.go.com/US/capitol-rioter-guy-reffitt-found-guilty-counts/story?id=83322979)** > > A Texas man who is the first to stand trial in the prosecution of those who stormed the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6 was found guilty on all charges Tuesday. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2022, 10:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/3021 "2022-03-08T22:37:59Z")
I object! This is a frame-up! [Clearly all the evidence was circumstan…](https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/justice-department/guy-reffitt-first-jan-6-rioter-go-trial-found-guilty-counts-rcna19041) > [@](#): > > The most damning evidence against the Donald Trump supporter was produced by the defendant himself. Over and over again — both before and after Jan. 6 — Reffitt recorded himself in various forums talking about what he planned to do and what he did. He even bragged about his conduct on a Zoom call that he recorded himself, which the government found on an external hard drive. …er…never mind. ---
**Author:** ![Senegoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senegoid/32/6606_2.png) [@Senegoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Senegoid)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2022, 1:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/3022 "2022-03-09T01:11:53Z")
Reffitt’s court-appointed defense attorney apparently made only a perfunctory effort to defend him (which was perhaps the best that could have been done, given the evidence). His defense argument was mainly that Reffitt was a habitual braggart and loudmouth with a habit of indiscreetly shooting off his mouth, so everything he said was probably just bragging and exaggeration and not to be taken seriously. That, apparently, was pretty much the entire defense. Seems like the jury took it seriously. (The testimony of his son obviously didn’t help at all, at all.) ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2022, 1:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/3023 "2022-03-09T01:24:13Z")
> [@Senegoid](#): > > Reffitt’s court-appointed defense attorney apparently made only a perfunctory effort to defend him (which was perhaps the best that could have been done, given the evidence). As you say, it’s hard to defend someone when they have the defendant saying he did all the things he accused of. The defense of “sure, but do they have any actual _evidence_ other than what my client said?” isn’t terrible. Most court appointed attorneys (especially federal defenders) are quite good at what they do. ---
**Author:** ![Senegoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senegoid/32/6606_2.png) [@Senegoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Senegoid)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2022, 1:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/3024 "2022-03-09T01:25:54Z")
> [@Procrustus](#): > > The defense of “sure, but do they have any actual _evidence_ other than what my client said?” isn’t terrible. Well, they had what the client’s kid said. That apparently counted for quite a lot. ---
**Author:** ![F.U.Shakespeare](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/aca169/32.png) [@F.U.Shakespeare](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/F.U.Shakespeare)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2022, 1:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/3025 "2022-03-09T01:38:43Z")
> [@Senegoid](#): > > Reffitt’s court-appointed defense attorney apparently made only a perfunctory effort to defend him (which was perhaps the best that could have been done, given the evidence). His defense argument was mainly that Reffitt was a habitual braggart and loudmouth with a habit of indiscreetly shooting off his mouth, so everything he said was probably just bragging and exaggeration and not to be taken seriously. That, apparently, was pretty much the entire defense. These days, it’s getting exhausting quoting Dale Gribble on _King of the Hill_: “Well, if all you’ve got is my confession, you can forget it. I’m simply not credible!” ---
**Author:** ![Son\_of\_a\_Rich](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/son_of_a_rich/32/5439_2.png) [@Son\_of\_a\_Rich](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Son_of_a_Rich)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2022, 2:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/3026 "2022-03-09T02:02:12Z")
Guy reminds me of Bart Simpson, who couldn’t deny building the Skinner butt balloon when he had notarized photos of the building process. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2022, 2:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/3027 "2022-03-09T02:50:19Z")
Former head of the Proud Boys Enrique Tarrio was arrested today for his role in planning the attack on the Capitol, even though he didn’t actually participate. The only reason that he didn’t participate is because he was forbidden from going to the District of Columbia because of previous charges. > **[Enrique Tarrio, who led the Proud Boys, is arrested over the U.S. Capitol attack](https://www.npr.org/2022/03/08/1085201623/enrique-tarrio-proud-boys-arrested-indicted-jan-6)** > > Enrique Tarrio may not have physically taken part on the Jan. 6 breach, but the Justice Department has charged him for allegedly leading the advance planning and taking credit for it on social media. ---
**Author:** ![ShadowFacts](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shadowfacts/32/2934_2.png) [@ShadowFacts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ShadowFacts)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2022, 4:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/3028 "2022-03-09T16:28:26Z")
> [@rocking\_chair](#): > > guilty, guilty, guilty, guilty, ever so guilty! I heard a report about this on the radio this morning from NPR. They played a recording of his wife from after the verdict: > NICOLE REFFITT: Guy was used as an example today to make all the 1/6ers take a plea. Do not take a plea, 1/6ers. Do not. Sooooooooo, your husband goes to trial - does not take a plea - and is convicted on all counts in a couple of hours and is facing years and years and years in jail. And _this_ is your advice for the other defendants? These people are fucking nutballs. (I know, I know, we knew that already). [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020.md?page=150) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020.md?page=152)