# 7 Jan 2021 and beyond - the aftermath of the storming of the Capitol **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [January 8, 2021, 10:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020 "2021-01-08T10:28:28Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 165
**Author:** ![Guest-starring\_Id](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guest-starring_id/32/21736_2.png) [@Guest-starring\_Id](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guest-starring_Id)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2022, 5:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/3289 "2022-06-16T05:57:36Z")
This might be in another thread… > **[Ginni Thomas, wife of Supreme Court justice, emailed Trump lawyer John...](https://www.businessinsider.com/ginni-thomas-emailed-trump-lawyer-john-eastman-jan-6-wapo-2022-6)** > > According to The Washington Post, Ginni Thomas corresponded with John Eastman, a lawyer who drafted a memo on how to overturn the 2020 election. note: the following quotes are from a more in-depth Washington Post article that annoyingly will not load… > [@](#): > > [U.S. District Judge David O. Carter] ordered Eastman to turn over documents regarding three December 2020 meetings of a group that Eastman described as “civic minded citizens of a conservative viewpoint,” including messages from a person Carter described as the group’s “high-profile leader” inviting Eastman to speak at a meeting on Dec. 8, 2020. The meeting agenda indicates that Eastman discussed “State legislative actions that can reverse the media-called election for Joe Biden.” > [@](#): > > In a 26-page ruling last week, Carter addressed another 599 documents that Eastman sought to shield. Carter ruled that more than 400 of those documents were protected by attorney-client or other privilege and should not be released. > [@](#): > > But [Carter] ordered the remainder, including correspondence with state legislators and documents related to alleged election fraud and the plan to disrupt the joint session of Congress on Jan. 6, be turned over to the committee last week and early this week. > [@](#): > > Carter also ordered the release of part of a Dec. 22 email written by an attorney he did not identify. The attorney encouraged Trump’s legal team not to pursue litigation that might “tank the January 6 strategy” by making clear that Pence did not have the ability to intervene in the counting of electoral votes. Frustrating in that there’s a lot more details yet to be filled in, but as it unfolds, hopefully there’s some semblance of traction, however that may manifest itself. ---
**Author:** ![not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/not_what_you_d_expect/32/3246_2.png) [@not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/not_what_you_d_expect)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2022, 10:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/3290 "2022-06-16T10:59:48Z")
Here’s Hakeem Jeffries being done with Clarence Thomas. [https://twitter.com/RepJeffries](https://twitter.com/RepJeffries) ---
**Author:** ![Akaj](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/akaj/32/145_2.png) [@Akaj](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Akaj)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2022, 1:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/3291 "2022-06-16T13:13:55Z")
> [@not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](#): > > Hakeem Jeffries being done with Clarence Thomas. That gave me a better jolt than my first cup of coffee. Thanks for sharing it! ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2022, 1:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/3292 "2022-06-16T13:17:47Z")
To hell with him. > **[Confederate flag-waving man found guilty in U.S. Capitol riot case](https://www.aol.com/news/confederate-flag-waving-man-found-231454148-121552912.html)** > > Kevin Seefried was convicted along with his son, Hunter, of the felony charge of obstruction during the Jan. 6, 2021, storming of the building, the Justice Department said. ---
**Author:** ![rocking\_chair](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rocking_chair/32/2918_2.png) [@rocking\_chair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rocking_chair)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2022, 1:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/3293 "2022-06-16T13:34:15Z")
the sentencing in september should be interesting. the felony is worth up to 20 years. ---
**Author:** ![naita](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naita/32/5862_2.png) [@naita](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/naita)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2022, 1:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/3294 "2022-06-16T13:47:12Z")
Here’s a link that will work even if Jeffries unpins that tweet: > (Preview doesn’t show that the tweet includes video of him calling out Thomas.) ---
**Author:** ![not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/not_what_you_d_expect/32/3246_2.png) [@not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/not_what_you_d_expect)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2022, 1:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/3295 "2022-06-16T13:49:50Z")
Thank you. That is a better link. ---
**Author:** ![thorny\_locust](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thorny_locust/32/431_2.png) [@thorny\_locust](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thorny_locust)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2022, 2:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/3296 "2022-06-16T14:00:48Z")
> [@Guest-starring\_Id](#): > > the following quotes are from a more in-depth Washington Post article that annoyingly will not load… Gift link to that article, if I did this right. Should work for non-subscribers also. [https://wapo.st/3xyVxdx](https://wapo.st/3xyVxdx) ---
**Author:** ![Guest-starring\_Id](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guest-starring_id/32/21736_2.png) [@Guest-starring\_Id](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guest-starring_Id)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2022, 2:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/3297 "2022-06-16T14:02:13Z")
Thanks. ---
**Author:** ![Ann\_Hedonia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ann_hedonia/32/319_2.png) [@Ann\_Hedonia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ann_Hedonia)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2022, 2:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/3298 "2022-06-16T14:49:55Z")
Here’s another smoking gun to add to the pile. > **[Trump Lawyer Cited ‘Heated Fight’ Among Justices Over Election Suits](https://www.nytimes.com/2022/06/15/us/trump-emails-eastman-chesebro-jan-6.html)** > > In an email weeks after the election, another lawyer advising the Trump campaign responded that the prospect of “‘wild’ chaos” on Jan. 6 could lead the Supreme Court to take up a case. This is a gifted link, no paywall, doesn’t count against free views. There was email exchange between John Eastman and fellow lawyer Kenneth Chesebro. Eastman seems to acknowledge that he doesn’t have a valid legal argument but he hopes the Supreme Court will overthrow the government anyway _So the odds are not based on the legal merits but an assessment of the justice’s spines, and I understand there is a heated fight underway_. ( I suspect Eastman’s “understanding” is the result of communication with Ginni Thomas.) And Chesebro replied: _The odds of action before January 6th will become more favorable if the justices start to fear that there will be “wild chaos’ on January 6th unless they rule by then, either way_. This is sort of huge, a direct connection between the Eastman plot and the Jan 6th violence. ---
**Author:** ![Locrian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/locrian/32/14146_2.png) [@Locrian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Locrian)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2022, 3:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/3299 "2022-06-17T03:52:26Z")
Read that too fast and their Cheesbro was the Orange Anus in his reply. 🤣😁 ---
**Author:** ![Morgyn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/morgyn/32/3041_2.png) [@Morgyn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgyn)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2022, 5:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/3300 "2022-06-18T05:22:45Z")
The NYTimes worked with online researchers analyzing hours of videos from the January 6 attack on the Capitol. They seem to have fairly solid evidence that the Proud Boys organized and led tactical groups that broke into the Capitol at 4 access points. There’s no paywall. It’s moderately terrifying to watch. > **[Video: How the Proud Boys Breached the Capitol on Jan. 6: Rile Up the Normies](https://www.nytimes.com/video/us/politics/100000008392796/rile-up-the-normies-how-proud-boys-breached-the-capitol.html)** > > A Times investigation of court documents, text messages and hundreds of videos shows how the Proud Boys coordinated to instigate multiple breaches of the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6. ---
**Author:** ![Red\_Wiggler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/red_wiggler/32/13190_2.png) [@Red\_Wiggler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Red_Wiggler)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2022, 1:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/3301 "2022-06-18T13:55:13Z")
There’s little doubt that the Proud Boys were organized beforehand, I think they’ve said as much. I want to know if the Trump team coordinated with them. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2022, 2:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/3302 "2022-06-18T14:15:53Z")
I watched on national television as he gave them instructions. That may not count as “coordination”, especially among the Trump defenders, but they knew why they were there. ---
**Author:** ![Red\_Wiggler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/red_wiggler/32/13190_2.png) [@Red\_Wiggler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Red_Wiggler)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2022, 3:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/3303 "2022-06-18T15:57:52Z")
Yes, there was obvious tacit encouragement. I don’t know if that will be enough but maybe that’s another reason why the committee wants to talk to Ginni Thomas. Changing up a little here, I’m really curious if there is any evidence of Trump delaying assistance from nearby National Guard units with the intent of giving the mob time to locate and harm/remove Pence. I fear that the few people who know the answer will take the secret to their graves (looking at you, Mark Meadows). ---
**Author:** ![Superdude](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/superdude/32/13450_2.png) [@Superdude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Superdude)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2022, 3:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/3304 "2022-06-20T03:08:59Z")
And, in the meantime, the rubes will continue to blame Pelosi for the lack of police presence in the Capitol Building. ---
**Author:** ![Dinsdale](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/97f17d/32.png) [@Dinsdale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dinsdale)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2022, 12:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/3305 "2022-06-20T12:27:13Z")
Doubt there was coordination (hell, the fuckstick couldn’t coordinate an outfit of clothes!), but he did encourage them to “Stand back and stand by!” ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2022, 12:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/3306 "2022-06-20T12:56:59Z")
> [@Superdude](#): > > And, in the meantime, the rubes will continue to blame Pelosi for the lack of police presence in the Capitol Building. Duh, It’s not my fault I robbed a bank, that’s where all the money is /s ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2022, 5:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/3307 "2022-06-20T17:26:50Z")
> [@Morgyn](#): > > The NYTimes worked with online researchers analyzing hours of videos from the January 6 attack on the Capitol… A college friend of mine and fellow student-newspaper editor worked on that project. Good on her. ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2022, 5:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/3308 "2022-06-20T17:27:41Z")
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