# 7 Jan 2021 and beyond - the aftermath of the storming of the Capitol **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [January 8, 2021, 10:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020 "2021-01-08T10:28:28Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 166
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2022, 5:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/3309 "2022-06-20T17:42:19Z")
She didn’t, as far as I know, but yeah. ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2022, 12:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/3310 "2022-06-21T12:59:07Z")
Anybody surprised? > **[Exclusive: Trump's Team Setting Up Eastman to Take Blame for Jan. 6](https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/jan6-eastman-trump-committee-investigation-pardons-1371419/)** > > Trump in recent weeks has told confidants that he sees no reason to defend the lawyer who tried to help him overturn the 2020 election > With the Justice Department and Jan. 6 committee taking a close look at Donald Trump’s efforts to overturn the 2020 election, he and his cronies could certainly use a fall guy, and it looks like they’ve found their patsy: right-wing lawyer John Eastman… ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2022, 4:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/3311 "2022-06-21T16:59:59Z")
Loyalty is always thus rewarded in Trumpworld. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2022, 5:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/3312 "2022-06-21T17:45:54Z")
> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#): > > Loyalty is always thus rewarded in Trumpworld. - “Please, sir. I want some more.” ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2022, 7:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/3313 "2022-06-21T19:05:58Z")
Hmm, let’s see. Gruel or a Federal indictment… gruel or a Federal indictment… ---
**Author:** ![Son\_of\_a\_Rich](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/son_of_a_rich/32/5439_2.png) [@Son\_of\_a\_Rich](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Son_of_a_Rich)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2022, 10:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/3314 "2022-06-22T22:23:44Z")
Has trump tried to explain away his three hours of inaction? I haven’t seen anything. ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2022, 10:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/3315 "2022-06-22T22:34:39Z")
Given what a slug he is, I’d require an explanation for more than ten straight minutes of action. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2022, 11:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/3316 "2022-06-22T23:26:33Z")
‘You, and all of us also!’ Signed, All the women The Donald thinks he had actual sex with. ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2022, 11:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/3317 "2022-06-22T23:49:16Z")
> [@Son\_of\_a\_Rich](#): > > Has trump tried to explain away his three hours of inaction? I haven’t seen anything. As I understand it the Committee is saving this for their final presentation. There are not only numerous witnesses to Trump being gleefully glued to the TV coverage of “his” insurrection–there are also, apparently, _photos_. So that will be the Big Unexplainable not only for Trump but for his fans. No matter how they try to spin his failure to call for reinforcement of the sparse law-enforcement\* presence on that day, AND his failure to respond to the many right-wing and/or Republican calls for him to call off his people, they will come up against the reality: he was thrilled by the violence. And while he was sitting there being thrilled, people were dying. The only attempts I’ve seen at defending Trump’s inaction have depended on selling the theory that January 6 2021 was ‘a normal tourist day at the Capitol’-----and after all the evidence presented of what really happened, none but the brain-damaged are buying the ‘tourist’ fable. > \*_Who_ ordered and/or ensured a sparse law-enforcement presence for Jan 6 is another major issue; I’m not sure if the Committee has promised to present evidence on the topic or not. ---
**Author:** ![jsc1953](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/5daacb/32.png) [@jsc1953](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jsc1953)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2022, 12:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/3318 "2022-06-23T00:06:32Z")
> [@Sherrerd](#): > > So that will be the Big Unexplainable not only for Trump but for his fans. No matter how they try to spin his failure to call for reinforcement of the sparse law-enforcement\* presence on that day, AND his failure to respond to the many right-wing and/or Republican calls for him to call off his people, they will come up against the reality: he was thrilled by the violence. And while he was sitting there being thrilled, people were dying. The Official Talking Point is that Capitol security was Nancy Pelosi’s responsibility. So Trump wasn’t required to do anything because it was all her fault. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2022, 12:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/3319 "2022-06-23T00:12:38Z")
‘My job was to set the ~~Reichstag~~ Capitol on fire ,it was Pelosis job to put it out!’ DJT ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2022, 12:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/3320 "2022-06-23T00:17:51Z")
> [@jsc1953](#): > > The Official Talking Point is that Capitol security was Nancy Pelosi’s responsibility. So Trump wasn’t required to do anything because it was all her fault. You’re right, they do try to float that idea whenever the topic comes up. And of course it makes not one lick of sense—either that Pelosi was the decision-maker on how many Capitol Police and DC cops were on duty, or that Trump had no responsibility to call off his hounds and also to call in the National Guard and other reinforcements. If the right didn’t have ridiculously-bad arguments, they’d have no arguments at all. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2022, 12:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/3321 "2022-06-23T00:21:24Z")
> [@Son\_of\_a\_Rich](#): > > Has trump tried to explain away his three hours of inaction? Of course he hasn’t. When has that lying fuckwad con man ever explained his behavior ever?? ---
**Author:** ![Son\_of\_a\_Rich](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/son_of_a_rich/32/5439_2.png) [@Son\_of\_a\_Rich](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Son_of_a_Rich)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2022, 12:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/3322 "2022-06-23T00:23:29Z")
After what has been shown so far, “legitimate political discourse” has been shot down. ---
**Author:** ![Moriarty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/moriarty/32/49_2.png) [@Moriarty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Moriarty)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2022, 12:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/3323 "2022-06-23T00:40:00Z")
> [@Sherrerd](#): > > And of course it makes not one lick of sense—either that Pelosi was the decision-maker on how many Capitol Police and DC cops were on duty, or that Trump had no responsibility to call off his hounds and also to call in the National Guard and other reinforcements. Remember that you are dealing with people who believed that the Secretary of State is in charge of the military. ---
**Author:** ![Son\_of\_a\_Rich](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/son_of_a_rich/32/5439_2.png) [@Son\_of\_a\_Rich](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Son_of_a_Rich)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2022, 12:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/3324 "2022-06-23T00:51:58Z")
Everybody was telling trump he lost, but he wouldn’t listen. Where was he getting his contrary data? I started listening to the phone call to Raff and, in his first breath, he offers as proof of his win the size of his fucking rallies. That’s his justification. ---
**Author:** ![Moriarty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/moriarty/32/49_2.png) [@Moriarty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Moriarty)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2022, 1:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/3325 "2022-06-23T01:09:47Z")
> [@Sherrerd](#): > > there are also, apparently, _photos_. There’s video. > [@](#): > > In a statement, Mr Holder described the footage provided to the panel as the product of “unparalleled access” and said it included “exclusive interviews” with Mr Trump, his children, Mr Kushner, as well as Mr Pence, conducted at “the White House, Mar-A-Lago, behind-the-scenes on the campaign trail, and before and after the events of January 6th”. > **[Jan 6 committee obtains previously unknown film of Trump and family at time...](https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-jan-6-committee-hearing-riot-video-b2106515.html)** > > Filmmaker Alex Holder will sit for a deposition on Thursday and has provided the select committee ‘raw footage’ taken on the day of the Capitol attack ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2022, 1:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/3326 "2022-06-23T01:11:14Z")
> [@bobot](#): > > When has that lying fuckwad con man ever explained his behavior ever?? I recall some reference to “locker room talk.” ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2022, 1:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/3327 "2022-06-23T01:18:32Z")
I don’t buy “making excuses” as a synonym for “explaining”.Leans more towards the “Lying” end of the spectrum, which is par for the course. ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2022, 1:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/3328 "2022-06-23T01:22:35Z")
> [@bobot](#): > > I don’t buy “making excuses” as a synonym for “explaining”.Leans more towards the “Lying” end of the spectrum, which is par for the course . I agree. I was actually trying to bring up that his “explanations” do come, but are worthless. “Locker room talk” (whatever that is) doesn’t excuse bragging about sexual assault. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020.md?page=165) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020.md?page=167)