# 7 Jan 2021 and beyond - the aftermath of the storming of the Capitol **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [January 8, 2021, 10:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020 "2021-01-08T10:28:28Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 171
**Author:** ![Tamerlane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tamerlane/32/7602_2.png) [@Tamerlane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tamerlane)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2022, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/3409 "2022-08-02T17:49:01Z")
> [@Hypno-Toad](#): > > Well, the orange one was not able to totally corrupt every appointment. Arguably he corrupted very few appointments, much to his own detriment. By all accounts he just basically de facto farmed the selections out to the Federalist Society and otherwise paid little attention to them on an individual basis. This seeded a very large number of originalist/textualist judges in the Federal judiciary, which is very not good from my POV. But he failed to seed many obligate Trump loyalists, which bit him on the ass. At the end of the day after they were appointed most of those all-too-serious libertarian judges probably didn’t give a shit about him and his laughable attempts to bend the law. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2022, 5:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/3410 "2022-08-02T17:57:20Z")
And several of them went on to rule against him during his and his mooks’ various laughable challenges to the 2020 election results. ---
**Author:** ![Si\_Amigo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/si_amigo/32/2877_2.png) [@Si\_Amigo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Si_Amigo)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2022, 7:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/3411 "2022-08-02T19:07:16Z")
Yeah, he wasn’t able to fully vet all of them as he did his Supreme Court nominations. Many were actual qualified law and order type judges. ---
**Author:** ![CalMeacham](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/calmeacham/32/35_2.png) [@CalMeacham](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CalMeacham)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2022, 8:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/3412 "2022-08-02T20:23:15Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > “I’M GOING TO TAKE MY JANUARY 6TH DEFENSE TO THE PEOPLE!” _I Tried to Overthrow the Government and All I Got Was This Orange Jumpsuit!_ ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2022, 4:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/3413 "2022-08-03T04:09:17Z")
DOJ subpoenas Patsy Baloney: > **[Ex-White House counsel subpoenaed by federal grand jury investigating Jan. 6...](https://abcnews.go.com/US/white-house-counsel-subpoenaed-federal-grand-jury-investigating/story?id=87845397)** > > A federal grand jury has subpoenaed ex-Trump White House counsel Pat Cipollone in its investigation into the Jan. 6 attack on the U.S. Capitol, sources tell ABC News. ---
**Author:** ![JKellyMap](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jkellymap/32/15880_2.png) [@JKellyMap](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JKellyMap)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2022, 10:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/3414 "2022-08-03T10:42:49Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > Patsy Baloney Heh (I say, heh!) ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2022, 11:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/3415 "2022-08-03T23:11:44Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > DOJ subpoenas Patsy Baloney: Cipollone may find that DOJ is less deferential than the Jan 6 interviewers to his claims of being unable to answer due to either executive privilege or attorney-client privilege. DOJ may take his claims right to a judge (who, one hopes, will bear in mind the crime-fraud exception to privilege). Downside: it all could take a LONG time. (Would have been nice if DOJ had thought it worth interviewing the Trump White House Counsel, some time before more than a _year-and-a-half_ had gone by…) ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2022, 11:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/3416 "2022-08-03T23:15:52Z")
> [@Sherrerd](#): > > Downside: it all could take a LONG time. (Would have been nice if DOJ had thought it worth interviewing the Trump White House Counsel, some time before more than a _year-and-a-half_ had gone by…) They did. Pat Cipollone wouldn’t be in front of a grand jury if they hadn’t. And the executive privilege stuff won’t take a long time. They will bring Mr. Cipollone up in front of Chief Judge of the DC Circuit, Beryl Howell, who doesn’t fuck around with this sort of thing, and question him for his claims of privilege. She can rule from the bench, or she can rule after the hearing. Either way, no need for it to take long at all. ETA: Judge Beryl Howell is very well aware of the crime fraud exception. ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2022, 11:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/3417 "2022-08-03T23:25:44Z")
> [@Aspenglow](#): > > … They will bring Mr. Cipollone up in front of Chief Judge of the DC Circuit, Beryl Howell, who doesn’t fuck around with this sort of thing, and question him for his claims of privilege. She can rule from the bench, or she can rule after the hearing. > > Either way, no need for it to take long at all. > > ETA: Judge Beryl Howell is very well aware of the crime fraud exception. All good news. This bodes well for, potentially, making people considering election-interference think twice. For too long they’ve been permitted to believe that some people truly ARE above the law in the USA. ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2022, 11:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/3418 "2022-08-03T23:26:53Z")
I encourage you to spend some time learning about Judge Beryl Howell. I think your concerns will be somewhat ameliorated. She will not waste time. ---
**Author:** ![Guest-starring\_Id](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guest-starring_id/32/21736_2.png) [@Guest-starring\_Id](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guest-starring_Id)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2022, 11:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/3419 "2022-08-03T23:39:05Z")
(hopefully one-post derail) Yep, Judge Howell’s [good to have in our corner.](https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/public-safety/meet-the-judge-who-just-released-200-secret-government-surveillance-requests/2016/09/23/4ddb1266-7b50-11e6-beac-57a4a412e93a_story.html) > [@](#): > > Howell became chief judge of the District Court for the District of Columbia in March, five years after her appointment to the bench by President Obama — the shortest tenure since the 1940s of anyone who went into the role. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2022, 4:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/3420 "2022-08-04T16:04:47Z")
More good news! > **[Judge allows Capitol riot officer lawsuits against Trump to go forward | CNN...](https://www.cnn.com/2022/08/02/politics/capitol-police-trump-mehta/index.html)** > > A federal judge on Tuesday rejected a motion from Donald Trump to dismiss three lawsuits brought by four police officers against the former president for their injuries suffered during the January 6, 2021, attack on the US Capitol. ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2022, 7:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/3421 "2022-08-04T19:05:33Z")
> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#): > > More good news! From Elendil’s link above > The two-paragraph order from DC District Judge Amit Mehta rejects Trump’s claim that he has immunity from these lawsuits because his actions fell within his presidential duties. It was Trump’s presidential duty to direct a riot to attack the Capitol of the US? I’m surprised the judge didn’t just respond with one sentence, one word - “Bullshit” ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2022, 8:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/3422 "2022-08-04T20:20:57Z")
[https://www.cnn.com/2022/08/04/politics/alex-jones-texts-federal-state-investigators-january-6/index.html](https://www.cnn.com/2022/08/04/politics/alex-jones-texts-federal-state-investigators-january-6/index.html) > “I am under request from various federal agencies and law enforcement to provide (the records),” Mark Bankston, the plaintiffs’ attorney, told Judge Maya Guerra Gamble. “Absent a ruling from you saying you cannot do that … I intend to do so immediately following this hearing.” … > > “I’ve been asked by the January 6 committee to turn the documents over,” Bankston added later… > > The judge overseeing the case advised Reynal to take some time while they await a verdict to research a legal argument to stop Bankston from disclosing information to the January 6 committee and others. ---
**Author:** ![squeegee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/squeegee/32/14537_2.png) [@squeegee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/squeegee)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2022, 9:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/3423 "2022-08-04T21:48:28Z")
What does Alex Jones have to do with Jan 6? ---
**Author:** ![rocking\_chair](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rocking_chair/32/2918_2.png) [@rocking\_chair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rocking_chair)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2022, 9:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/3424 "2022-08-04T21:51:57Z")
It is my understanding that he had a lot to do with funding. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2022, 10:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/3425 "2022-08-04T22:01:48Z")
From The New York Times, “The House committee investigating the Jan. 6 attack on the Capitol has been pushing to obtain Mr. Jones’s texts for months, saying they could be relevant to understanding Mr. Jones’s role in helping organize the rally at the Ellipse near the White House before the riot. In November, the panel filed subpoenas to compel Mr. Jones’s testimony and communications related to Jan. 6, including his phone records.” ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2022, 10:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/3426 "2022-08-04T22:26:56Z")
> [@Dewey\_Finn](#): > > In November, the panel filed subpoenas to compel Mr. Jones’s testimony and communications related to Jan. 6, including his phone records.” Well, I think the excuse of “Oh, my phone was inadvertently wiped after a routine update” is not going to fly here in this case. ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2022, 12:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/3427 "2022-08-05T00:20:09Z")
> [@squeegee](#): > > What does Alex Jones have to do with Jan 6? He was there, inciting the crowds, on the day and on the 5th as well. > [@](#): > > …In the same video, before setting off toward the Capitol building, Jones told the crowd: “We’re here to take our rightful country back peacefully, because we’re not globalist, antifa criminals. So let’s start marching, and I salute you all.” > > Once outside the Capitol, Jones was filmed, bullhorn in hand. … > **[What Alex Jones Said in the Lead Up to the Capitol Riot](https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/article/what-conspiracy-theorist-alex-jones-said-in-the-lead-up-to-the-capitol-riot/)** > > Conspiracy theorist Alex Jones riled up crowds over a stolen election preceding the attack on the Capitol, making sure to urge "peacefully" protesting. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2022, 2:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/3428 "2022-08-05T14:00:16Z")
Xpost in Schadenfreude thread: More information about the ‘phone’. Apparently it wasn’t just a phone, it was a data image of a Connecticut attorney’s hard drive, this attorney working on the Proud Boys case, defending them from J6. > **["It's a Tremendous Amount of Information:" The Details about Alex Jones' Phone...](https://www.emptywheel.net/2022/08/04/its-a-tremendous-amount-of-information-the-details-about-alex-jones-phone/)** > > After accidentally sharing information with plaintiffs lawyer, Alex Jones' lawyers were put in a position where they had to admit to failing to comply with discovery or clawing back the information. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020.md?page=170) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020.md?page=172)