# 7 Jan 2021 and beyond - the aftermath of the storming of the Capitol **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [January 8, 2021, 10:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020 "2021-01-08T10:28:28Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 175
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2022, 2:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/3489 "2022-08-19T14:14:23Z")
It’s impossible to capture all of Donnie’s notable attributes in just one epithet. He challenges our creativity. And fortunately, we are up to the challenge! ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2022, 2:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/3490 "2022-08-19T14:14:41Z")
We’re never gonna stop trying, that’s for sure… ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2022, 2:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/3491 "2022-08-19T14:15:19Z")
“A man’s [_sic_] reach should exceed his grasp” etc., etc. ---
**Author:** ![Morgyn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/morgyn/32/3041_2.png) [@Morgyn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgyn)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2022, 2:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/3492 "2022-08-19T14:23:01Z")
I think we adopted it from the Scottish, didn’t we? They have a fine gift for invective. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2022, 2:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/3493 "2022-08-19T14:50:16Z")
> [@medstar](#): > > What does CFSG mean? Google wasn’t any help. > [@ThelmaLou](#): > > Hehe. “Cheeto-faced Shit Gibbon” It’s local to the SDMB (Straight Dope Message Board) [History of the “S—gibbon”: The Insult’s Originator Steps Forward](https://slate.com/culture/2017/02/the-origin-of-the-trump-insult-shitgibbon-revealed.html) The epithet seems to have become popular in a tweet from June 2016, when someone called him a ‘tiny fingered, Cheeto-faced, ferret wearing shitgibbon.’ Unfortunately, ‘This Tweet is from a suspended account.’ In February, Sen. Daylin Leach called the president a ‘fascist, loofa-faced, shit-gibbon.’ The term shitgibbon apparently goes back to 2000. The linked article attributes the current usage to an Englishman, but I don’t have time to delve into it. ---
**Author:** ![Ann\_Hedonia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ann_hedonia/32/319_2.png) [@Ann\_Hedonia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ann_Hedonia)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2022, 7:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/3494 "2022-08-19T19:29:16Z")
> [@Jumpbass](#): > > We should almost make it a sticky at the top of P&E and the Pit. We should. I always get confused and call him the Shit-Faced Cheeto Gibbon. ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2022, 12:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/3495 "2022-08-20T00:07:12Z")
> [@Ann\_Hedonia](#): > > … I always get confused and call him the Shit-Faced Cheeto Gibbon. That still works. ---
**Author:** ![Dung\_Beetle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dung_beetle/32/7945_2.png) [@Dung\_Beetle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dung_Beetle)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2022, 12:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/3496 "2022-08-20T00:54:14Z")
Nah, he acts like that sober. ---
**Author:** ![Superdude](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/superdude/32/13450_2.png) [@Superdude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Superdude)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2022, 7:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/3497 "2022-08-20T07:07:09Z")
Didn’t he once claim that he never ingested a drop of alcohol? That should have disqualified him immediately from being elected; I can’t put my faith in this nation in the hands (tiny as they may be) of someone who can’t college properly. ---
**Author:** ![WolfpackJeep](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpackjeep/32/2921_2.png) [@WolfpackJeep](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WolfpackJeep)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2022, 10:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/3498 "2022-08-20T10:39:04Z")
Huh, I thought _shitgibbon_ was older than that. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2022, 2:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/3499 "2022-08-20T14:17:11Z")
Older than 2016, or 2000? ---
**Author:** ![WolfpackJeep](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpackjeep/32/2921_2.png) [@WolfpackJeep](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WolfpackJeep)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2022, 2:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/3500 "2022-08-20T14:30:00Z")
Older than 2000. ---
**Author:** ![Ludovic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@Ludovic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ludovic)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2022, 3:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/3501 "2022-08-20T15:08:42Z")
> [@Superdude](#): > > Didn’t he once claim that he never ingested a drop of alcohol? If he _did_ claim that, then that would lead me to believe that he was habitually drunk and the only reason we can’t tell is because he never gets sober. However, I do not recall him ever claiming that: _others_ have said that he, indeed, doesn’t drink. That is more believable than if others say that he never drinks _and_ he claims to never drink. Even if he has claimed sobriety at one point, it seems a surprisingly modest point to never hammer home at every opportunity for such a vain man. It would fit right in with his portrayal of the enemy as addle-brained. So, therefore, again, I am inclined to believe the reports of sobriety, or else he would be projecting alcoholism onto Biden rather than simply projecting stupidity. ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2022, 5:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/3502 "2022-08-20T17:08:55Z")
> [@Ludovic](#): > > > [@Superdude](#): > > > > Didn’t he once claim that he never ingested a drop of alcohol? > > If he _did_ claim that, then that would lead me to believe that he was habitually drunk and the only reason we can’t tell is because he never gets sober. His brother was a terrible alcoholic, to the point that it contributed to his early death. This might be the one solitary point where I take Trump at his word. ---
**Author:** ![Dahnlor](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dahnlor/32/533_2.png) [@Dahnlor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dahnlor)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2022, 6:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/3503 "2022-08-20T18:08:07Z")
> [@Johnny\_L.A](#): > > > [@medstar](#): > > > > What does CFSG mean? Google wasn’t any help. > > > [@ThelmaLou](#): > > > > Hehe. “Cheeto-faced Shit Gibbon” It’s local to the SDMB (Straight Dope Message Board) > > [History of the “S—gibbon”: The Insult’s Originator Steps Forward](https://slate.com/culture/2017/02/the-origin-of-the-trump-insult-shitgibbon-revealed.html) > > The epithet seems to have become popular in a tweet from June 2016, when someone called him a ‘tiny fingered, Cheeto-faced, ferret wearing shitgibbon.’ Unfortunately, ‘This Tweet is from a suspended account.’ In February, Sen. Daylin Leach called the president a ‘fascist, loofa-faced, shit-gibbon.’ The term shitgibbon apparently goes back to 2000. The linked article attributes the current usage to an Englishman, but I don’t have time to delve into it. > [@WolfpackJeep](#): > > Older than 2000. I definitely remember a long tradition of metaphorical references to poop-flinging monkeys, which I’m sure had at least a small influence on the origins of “shitgibbon,” but the article itself attributes the word to a writer who clams to have coined it in 1988, and they were able to confirm (without going to too much expense) the same writer using it in 1990. Also of note: > [@](#): > > That’s a question that is already engaging some linguists. Taylor Jones, a graduate student in linguistics from the University of Pennsylvania, wrote a post on his Language Jones blog that considers how _[shitgibbon](http://www.languagejones.com/blog-1/2017/2/9/linguists-have-been-discussing-shit-gibbon-i-argue-its-not-entirely-about-gibbons)_ [fits an emerging pattern for obscene insults like](http://www.languagejones.com/blog-1/2017/2/9/linguists-have-been-discussing-shit-gibbon-i-argue-its-not-entirely-about-gibbons)_[douchewaffle, turdweasel](http://www.languagejones.com/blog-1/2017/2/9/linguists-have-been-discussing-shit-gibbon-i-argue-its-not-entirely-about-gibbons)_ [, and](http://www.languagejones.com/blog-1/2017/2/9/linguists-have-been-discussing-shit-gibbon-i-argue-its-not-entirely-about-gibbons)_[jizztrumpet](http://www.languagejones.com/blog-1/2017/2/9/linguists-have-been-discussing-shit-gibbon-i-argue-its-not-entirely-about-gibbons)_ , all of which consist of a monosyllablic expletive plus a trochee (a stressed syllable followed by an unstressed syllable). Along with metrical concerns, Jones notes how vowels often repeat in such words, as in _dickbiscuit_ , _craprabbit_ , and _spunkpuffin_ . Edit: Apologies for continuing the hijack, but I hope this puts all the hobnobbing to rest. ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2022, 6:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/3504 "2022-08-20T18:10:06Z")
Moderating: Ok, let’s leave off with the CFSG hijack. I think it’s been adequately discussed and explained. Thanks. ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2022, 9:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/3505 "2022-08-20T21:48:50Z")
The Secret Service scandal would certainly make me paranoid if I had them around me 24-7. I hope someone does a deep-clean of the organization ASAP. ---
**Author:** ![Guest-starring\_Id](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guest-starring_id/32/21736_2.png) [@Guest-starring\_Id](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guest-starring_Id)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2022, 1:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/3506 "2022-08-22T13:24:06Z")
The big hand-off… > **[Testy Sen. Ron Johnson Claims He Was Only Involved In Fake Electors Plot For...](https://ca.news.yahoo.com/testy-sen-ron-johnson-claims-122744718.html)** > > The Wisconsin Republican, trailing in polls, suddenly wants to distance himself from Donald Trump. > [@](#): > > Johnson has acknowledged he was asked to pass an envelope with a slate of fake electors to then-Vice President [Mike Pence](https://www.huffpost.com/news/topic/mike-pence), but claimed he had absolutely no idea what was going on. “I had virtually no involvement,” the testy senator responded. “Literally, my involvement lasted seconds, OK?” ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2022, 1:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/3507 "2022-08-22T13:32:24Z")
> [@Guest-starring\_Id](#): > > The big hand-off… > [Testy Sen. Ron Johnson Claims He Was Only Involved In Fake Electors Plot For 'Seconds' - Yahoo News Canada](https://ca.yahoo.com/news/testy-sen-ron-johnson-claims-122744718.html) > > [quote] Johnson has acknowledged he was asked to pass an envelope with a slate of fake electors to then-Vice President [Mike Pence](https://www.huffpost.com/news/topic/mike-pence), but claimed he had absolutely no idea what was going on. “I had virtually no involvement,” the testy senator responded. **“Literally, my involvement lasted seconds, OK?”** [/quote] - Sounds like something a rapist would say. ---
**Author:** ![Si\_Amigo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/si_amigo/32/2877_2.png) [@Si\_Amigo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Si_Amigo)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2022, 2:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/3508 "2022-08-22T14:02:03Z")
I only waited in the running car outside while they robbed the bank. They got caught and I was just outside not involved, so let me go. So what if you have video of them getting out of the car, I just thought that they were going in to do some banking. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020.md?page=174) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020.md?page=176)