# 7 Jan 2021 and beyond - the aftermath of the storming of the Capitol **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [January 8, 2021, 10:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020 "2021-01-08T10:28:28Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 180
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2022, 10:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/3590 "2022-10-26T22:46:48Z")
Has anyone explained to him why that was wrong? ---
**Author:** ![Si\_Amigo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/si_amigo/32/2877_2.png) [@Si\_Amigo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Si_Amigo)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2022, 10:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/3591 "2022-10-26T22:57:30Z")
In terms he would understand. He carried a losers flag into the winners circle. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2022, 6:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/3592 "2022-10-27T18:20:22Z")
The dickhead who pulled Officer Fanone into the crowd of traitors just got 7 years. Not enough, but a start. > **[Man who pulled officer Fanone into mob during US Capitol attack sentenced to...](https://www.cnn.com/2022/10/27/politics/capitol-attack-january-6-fanone-albuquerque-head-sentenced/index.html)** > > The man who pulled former Washington, DC, Metropolitan Police officer Michael Fanone into the crowd of violent rioters on January 6, 2021, yelling "I got one!" was sentenced Thursday to 90 months behind bars. ---
**Author:** ![EllisDee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellisdee/32/4531_2.png) [@EllisDee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EllisDee)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2022, 8:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/3593 "2022-10-27T20:30:50Z")
Remind me, is there parole and time off for good behavior in the federal system? How much time is the guy who just got 7 years likely to actually serve? ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2022, 8:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/3594 "2022-10-27T20:37:37Z")
> [@EllisDee](#): > > Remind me, is there parole and time off for good behavior in the federal system? How much time is the guy who just got 7 years likely to actually serve ? As I recall, a maximum of 15% off for “good time.” But, the last 6 months or so can be in transitionary work release facility. (this was all pre-COVID. Could be different now) ---
**Author:** ![EllisDee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellisdee/32/4531_2.png) [@EllisDee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EllisDee)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2022, 9:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/3595 "2022-10-27T21:35:10Z")
7 years = 84 months \* 85% = 71.4 months, which would be just a few weeks shy of 6 years exactly. That works for me, I hope that is indeed the ratio. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2022, 9:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/3596 "2022-10-27T21:44:11Z")
A little more than that, because the actual sentence is for 90 months (7.5 years). So he’ll spend _at least_ 6 years behind bars. Somehow I doubt he’ll get a “Good Behavior” discount. Color me cynical. ---
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2022, 11:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/3597 "2022-10-27T23:15:42Z")
from the link > Head’s attorney also blamed his clients lengthy rap sheet on a former addiction to opioids and other drugs, saying that his crimes came to a “screeching halt” after he became sober several years ago. Well, apart from that violent assault on a police officer about 21 months ago… ---
**Author:** ![not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/not_what_you_d_expect/32/3246_2.png) [@not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/not_what_you_d_expect)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2022, 11:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/3598 "2022-10-27T23:24:57Z")
But he was sober when he did that. So that’s something. ---
**Author:** ![naita](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naita/32/5862_2.png) [@naita](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/naita)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2022, 1:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/3599 "2022-10-28T13:16:12Z")
> [@silenus](#): > > The dickhead who pulled Officer Fanone into the crowd of traitors just got 7 years. Not enough, but a start. The prosecutors decided to let him plea guilty to assaulting a police officer, which has a maximum of 8 years, in exchange for dropping other charges, at least according to the Washington Post. ---
**Author:** ![Si\_Amigo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/si_amigo/32/2877_2.png) [@Si\_Amigo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Si_Amigo)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2022, 1:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/3600 "2022-10-28T13:18:36Z")
He was a better citizen when self medicated. ---
**Author:** ![Moriarty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/moriarty/32/49_2.png) [@Moriarty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Moriarty)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2022, 8:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/3601 "2022-10-29T20:32:50Z")
> [@EllisDee](#): > > is there parole…in the federal system? There is no parole in the federal system. There is “supervised release”. Same thing, functionally. (I’m not sure if this particular guy got any term of supervision as part of his sentence). ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2022, 12:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/3602 "2022-10-30T00:21:41Z")
General who was slow to react to the insurrection denied promotion by Biden, shuffled towards retirement. > **[White House rejects promoting general involved in Capitol riot response](https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2022/10/29/walter-piatt-army-capitol-riot-national-guard/)** > > The Pentagon backed Lt. Gen. Walter E. Piatt, the director of the Army staff, to become a four-star general. But the Biden administration nixed his promotion. > [@](#): > > Piatt found himself in political crosshairs within days of Jan. 6 after former Capitol Police chief Steven Sund, who resigned after the attack, accused the general of saying in a key meeting during the riot that he could not recommend to his boss at the time, Army Secretary Ryan McCarthy, that [the D.C. National Guard be deployed](https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/sund-riot-national-guard/2021/01/10/fc2ce7d4-5384-11eb-a817-e5e7f8a406d6_story.html?itid=lk_inline_manual_19) to help police quell the violence. Piatt, Sund said, exasperated other senior U.S. officials on a conference call by expressing concerns about how it would look if military personnel responded. > > Piatt initially denied Sund’s allegations in a statement but acknowledged in a call with reporters about two weeks later that he had conferred with others who were present that it was possible he made comments to that effect. In sworn congressional testimony, Piatt said in June 2021 that senior Army officials “all immediately understood the gravity of the situation” but still needed to develop a plan before dispatching armed personnel into the fray. > [@](#): > > The [Inspector-General] report stated that Walker was directed twice by Pentagon leadership to send in troops before responding. McCarthy first informed him by phone at 4:35 p.m. that he had approval and then called Walker again about 30 minutes to “reissue the deployment order,” one anonymous Army witness told investigators. McCarthy declined to comment. > > [Walker demanded a retraction](https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2021/11/18/william-walker-january-6-inspector-general/?itid=lk_inline_manual_49) of the inspector general’s report after it was released, saying that it was inaccurate and that he was not given a chance by investigators to respond to the allegations. He first received approval at 5:08 p.m., he said, about three hours after Congress was breached. > > After the release of the inspector general report, Walker’s former staff judge advocate, Col. Earl Matthews, sent a 36-page memo to the House that called Flynn and Piatt “absolute and unmitigated liars” in how they characterized the military’s response to the attack. The memo, [first reported by Politico](https://www.politico.com/news/2021/12/06/jan-6-generals-lied-ex-dc-guard-official-523777), accused the Army of creating “an alternate history” of events that was “a revisionist tract worthy of the best Stalinist or North Korea propagandist.” ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2022, 11:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/3603 "2022-10-30T23:49:05Z")
> [@Northern\_Piper](#): > > “After the release of the inspector general report, Walker’s former staff judge advocate, Col. Earl Matthews, sent a 36-page memo to the House that called Flynn and Piatt “absolute and unmitigated liars” in how they characterized the military’s response to the attack. The memo, [first reported by Politico](https://www.politico.com/news/2021/12/06/jan-6-generals-lied-ex-dc-guard-official-523777), accused the Army of creating “an alternate history” of events that was “a revisionist tract worthy of the best Stalinist or North Korea propagandist.”” ^ From the WaPo article linked in that post. Note that Charles Flynn, brother of the infamous Mike, DID receive his promotion: > [@](#): > > "…A key difference between the fate of the two generals’ careers was timing, defense officials said: While Piatt had not yet been nominated for a promotion when the assault on the Capitol happened, Flynn already had been confirmed by the Senate in December 2020, before the attack. > Army officials falsely denied for days that Flynn was not present at the meeting with Piatt, but Flynn ultimately said in a statement that he “entered the room after the call began and departed prior to the call ending” because he thought a decision to deploy the Guard was imminent. … " (From same source.) If the GOP wins Congress we will likely never know what the Pentagon was up to on January 6 2021, nor about their apparent cover-up efforts. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2022, 6:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/3604 "2022-10-31T18:43:03Z")
The Oath Keepers are claiming that they were in the Capitol to protect it, and used as evidence that they claimed that they told a Capitol police officer that they were there to protect him. He testified that they did not offer to protect him. > **[Officer Harry Dunn denies Oath Keepers tried to help during Capitol riot](https://www.wusa9.com/article/news/national/capitol-riots/i-stopped-them-capitol-police-officer-harry-dunn-denies-oath-keepers-tried-to-block-mob-on-jan-6-riot-kelly-meggs-kenneth-harrelson-stewart-rhodes/65-9cf95306-56ec-4d1a-b110-1950c986a05c)** > > USCP Officer Harry Dunn testified before a jury Monday in the seditious conspiracy trial of five members of the Oath Keepers militia. ---
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2022, 7:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/3605 "2022-10-31T19:14:23Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > The Oath Keepers are claiming that they were in the Capitol to protect it, Did they swear to tell the truth before they said that? ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2022, 7:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/3606 "2022-10-31T19:25:07Z")
> [@Northern\_Piper](#): > > General who was slow to react to the insurrection denied promotion by Biden, shuffled towards retirement. _Good_. ---
**Author:** ![Son\_of\_a\_Rich](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/son_of_a_rich/32/5439_2.png) [@Son\_of\_a\_Rich](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Son_of_a_Rich)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2022, 6:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/3607 "2022-11-01T18:28:51Z")
Speaking of generals, it’s time to court-martial Flynn. ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2022, 6:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/3608 "2022-11-01T18:29:19Z")
Long past due time, in my opinion. He’d have to be recalled to active duty first, but worth it. ---
**Author:** ![EllisDee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellisdee/32/4531_2.png) [@EllisDee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EllisDee)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2022, 7:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/3609 "2022-11-01T19:07:44Z")
Didn’t he formally swear allegiance to QAnon? I feel like the military frowns on such things. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020.md?page=179) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020.md?page=181)