# 7 Jan 2021 and beyond - the aftermath of the storming of the Capitol **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [January 8, 2021, 10:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020 "2021-01-08T10:28:28Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 184
**Author:** ![Dung\_Beetle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dung_beetle/32/7945_2.png) [@Dung\_Beetle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dung_Beetle)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2022, 12:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/3670 "2022-11-30T00:10:14Z")
> [@Aspenglow](#): > > Yes, well, I’m sure Jack Smith was hired to knit booties. I love your posts. They always cheer me. ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2022, 12:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/3671 "2022-11-30T00:27:57Z")
Thanks for making my night. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2022, 9:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/3672 "2022-11-30T09:48:10Z")
> [@Aspenglow](#): > > Yes, well, I’m sure Jack Smith was hired to knit booties. He was hired to kick ass and chew gum, and there are bubblegum supply chain issues. ---
**Author:** ![rocking\_chair](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rocking_chair/32/2918_2.png) [@rocking\_chair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rocking_chair)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2022, 2:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/3673 "2022-11-30T14:30:55Z")
here is the full break down of the verdicts yesterday, all 5 of them are looking at 20 years for count 3 alone. **Count 1: Seditious conspiracy** Stewart Rhodes: GUILTY Kelly Meggs: GUILTY Kenneth Harrelson: NOT GUILTY Jessica Watkins: NOT GUILTY Thomas Caldwell: NOT GUILTY **Count 2: Conspiracy to Obstruct an official proceeding** Stewart Rhodes: NOT GUILTY Kelly Meggs: GUILTY Kenneth Harrelson: NOT GUILTY Jessica Watkins: GUILTY Thomas Caldwell: NOT GUILTY **Count 3: Obstructing an Official Proceeding** Stewart Rhodes: GUILTY Kelly Meggs: GUILTY Kenneth Harrelson: GUILTY Jessica Watkins: GUILTY Thomas Caldwell: GUILTY **Count 4: Conspiracy to prevent an officer from discharging any duties** Stewart Rhodes: NOT GUILTY Kelly Meggs: GUILTY Kenneth Harrelson: GUILTY Jessica Watkins: GUILTY Thomas Caldwell: NOT GUILTY **Count 5: Destruction of Government Property and Aiding and Abetting** Kelly Meggs: NOT GUILTY Kenneth Harrelson: NOT GUILTY Jessica Watkins: NOT GUILTY **Count 6: Civil Disorder and Aiding and Abetting** Jessica Watkins: GUILTY **Count 7: Tampering with Documents** Stewart Rhodes: GUILTY **Count 8: Tampering with Documents** Kelly Meggs: GUILTY **Count 9: Tampering with Documents** Kenneth Harrelson: GUILTY **Count 13: Tampering with Documents** Thomas Caldwell: GUILTY ---
**Author:** ![naita](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naita/32/5862_2.png) [@naita](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/naita)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2022, 2:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/3674 "2022-11-30T14:45:08Z")
I don’t think any of these groups coordinated with the White House in any real way. I think they thought they had the president’s ear, because they read in his statements and what to them seemed like a barrage of valid lawsuits over election fraud a future where Trump declared them his militia. I also think those ideas were encouraged by informal and self-described Trump advisors like Stone. And I think there was communication through such middle men that never rose to any sort of coordination, except in the minds of the Oath Keepers and other groups. The people with actual access to Trump saw the value of this sort of rhetoric in riling up the base and keeping the momentum if any of the lawsuits or the coup-by-congress succeeded, but unlike the Oath Keepers they would know how futile an actual insurrection would be and how bad it is to have taken part in a failed one. They thought they could subvert justice by the crooked application of law, because that is something they have experience in, and never needed the shock troops to have a coordinated and plausible plan, just for them to be around for intimidation and to scare the opposition should the pseudo-legal approach succeed. ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2022, 3:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/3675 "2022-11-30T15:40:19Z")
> [@naita](#): > > I don’t think any of these groups coordinated with the White House in any real way. I think they thought they had the president’s ear, because they read in his statements and what to them seemed like a barrage of valid lawsuits over election fraud a future where Trump declared them his militia. I think this is perfectly parsed, and I agree. Trump has practiced his style of mob boss communication for a lifetime, and that wouldn’t have changed in his implementation of this scheme. As much as I want to see Trump go down for all this, it’s a mistake to focus solely on him. The people I most want to see yanked off the national stage to do time are Roger Stone, Steve Bannon, Mike Flynn, Peter Navarro, Stephen Miller and other bottom feeders of this ilk. Also insider congress persons who actively worked to unlawfully overturn the election, such as Ron Johnson, Mike Lee, Josh Hawley, Paul Gosar, MTG, Lauren Boebert, Matt Gaetz and others. Probably too much to hope for. ---
**Author:** ![rocking\_chair](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rocking_chair/32/2918_2.png) [@rocking\_chair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rocking_chair)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2022, 5:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/3676 "2022-11-30T17:21:51Z")
at this point we have 919 people charged with crimes relating to the insurrection, 460 have been convicted of various charges, 430 are pending. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2022, 5:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/3677 "2022-11-30T17:21:51Z")
Maybe someone can persuade Elon Musk to create a reality show where he buys an island somewhere and ships them all there with the mission of forming their own gummint. Sort of like _Lord of the Flies_. The catch is even at the end of the season, they don’t get to leave. _You can check out anytime you like but you can never leave…_ ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2022, 5:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/3678 "2022-11-30T17:53:11Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > _You can check out anytime you like but you can never leave…_ There’s checking out and there’s _really_ checking out. ![](https://media1.tenor.com/m/na7PwR8bpT0AAAAC/evil-laugh-laugh.gif "Evil Laugh Laugh GIF - Evil Laugh Laugh Bad Plan - Discover & Share GIFs") ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2022, 5:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/3679 "2022-11-30T17:59:55Z")
C. Montgomery Burns '24! ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2022, 7:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/3680 "2022-11-30T19:05:25Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > Maybe someone can persuade Elon Musk to create a reality show where he buys an island somewhere and ships them all there with the mission of forming their own gummint. You are much kinder than I. I’ve been thinking of locking them in a room with hammers and say the last man standing gets to walk. > **** > > Then lie. ---
**Author:** ![Yookeroo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/yookeroo/32/323_2.png) [@Yookeroo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yookeroo)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2022, 9:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/3681 "2022-11-30T21:27:38Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > Maybe someone can persuade Elon Musk to create a reality show where he buys an island somewhere and ships them all there with the mission of forming their own gummint. Sort of like _Lord of the Flies_. The catch is even at the end of the season, they don’t get to leave. _You can check out anytime you like but you can never leave…_ I don’t think Musk is looking to punish insurrectionists. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2022, 10:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/3682 "2022-11-30T22:45:50Z")
I wasn’t thinking of the punishment angle. I was thinking of the revenue he could generate from a blockbuster reality show. Advertisers would be standing in line to spend their money. Millions of viewers around the world. The first couple of episodes free-- then pay-per-view. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2022, 10:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/3683 "2022-11-30T22:57:05Z")
> [@Aspenglow](#): > > As much as I want to see Trump go down for all this, it’s a mistake to focus solely on him. The people I most want to see yanked off the national stage to do time are Roger Stone, Steve Bannon, Mike Flynn, Peter Navarro, Stephen Miller and other bottom feeders of this ilk. I agree. As much as I would like an example set to the next wannabee dictator, I also want an example set to those who would enable him. ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2022, 5:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/3684 "2022-12-06T17:48:24Z")
Gee, wonder why…? > ---
**Author:** ![TheTooth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/919ad9/32.png) [@TheTooth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TheTooth)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2022, 5:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/3685 "2022-12-06T17:52:41Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > I agree. As much as I would like an example set to the next wannabee dictator, I also want an example set to those who would enable him. Like Mr. Rogers said, look for the helpers. ---
**Author:** ![MulderMuffin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muldermuffin/32/2862_2.png) [@MulderMuffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MulderMuffin)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2022, 7:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/3686 "2022-12-06T19:14:22Z")
[https://www.cnn.com/2022/12/06/politics/january-6-committee-criminal-referrals/index.html](https://www.cnn.com/2022/12/06/politics/january-6-committee-criminal-referrals/index.html) > Thompson, a Mississippi Democrat, said the committee has not narrowed down the universe of individuals who may be referred. > A source tells CNN the criminal referrals the January 6 committee will ultimately be making “will be focused on the main organizers and leaders of the attacks.” Bannon? Stone? Trump? Giuliani? Jones? The possibilities are endless. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2022, 7:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/3687 "2022-12-06T19:39:13Z")
Congress awarded Congressional Gold Medals to members of the Capitol Police Force today. Family members of Officer Brian Sicknick refused to shake hands with McCarthy and McConnell. > And Washington Metro cops heckled Michael Fanone. > ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2022, 8:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/3688 "2022-12-06T20:11:56Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > And Washington Metro cops heckled Michael Fanone. > > [https://twitter.com/OccupyDemocrats/status/1600188850126483457](https://twitter.com/OccupyDemocrats/status/1600188850126483457) I don’t get it. Are they admitting that they are on the side of the insurrectionists? ---
**Author:** ![naita](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naita/32/5862_2.png) [@naita](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/naita)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2022, 8:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/3689 "2022-12-06T20:37:49Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > I don’t get it. Are they admitting that they are on the side of the insurrectionists? Possibly, but Occupy Democrats isn’t the most trustworthy of sources. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020.md?page=183) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020.md?page=185)