# 7 Jan 2021 and beyond - the aftermath of the storming of the Capitol **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [January 8, 2021, 10:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020 "2021-01-08T10:28:28Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 186
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2022, 2:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/3710 "2022-12-14T02:52:27Z")
> [@MulderMuffin](#): > > This is quite a distressing report. I’ve long thought that DHS is nothing more than a ready political law enforcement agency created for express use of Republicans when they’re in power. They don’t seem to protect us from much of anything that poses a domestic threat. I agree it’s a distressing report. Also shocking but not surprising. There’s a culture in that agency that is hostile to democracy. I’ve no doubt Alejandro Mayorkas is doing all he can to rehab the place, but it’s an awfully heavy lift. ---
**Author:** ![ShadowFacts](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shadowfacts/32/2934_2.png) [@ShadowFacts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ShadowFacts)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2022, 2:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/3711 "2022-12-14T14:59:24Z")
> [@Aspenglow](#): > > I’ve no doubt Alejandro Mayorkas is doing all he can to rehab the place, but it’s an awfully heavy lift. You can tell he must be doing something right because [the GOP wants to impeach him](https://thehill.com/homenews/house/3774233-house-republicans-ramp-up-calls-to-impeach-dhs-secretary-mayorkas/). Some of the crazier House members are using this as leverage on McCarthy in the upcoming Speaker contest. ---
**Author:** ![Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kolak_of_twilo/32/73_2.png) [@Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kolak_of_Twilo)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2022, 6:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/3712 "2022-12-14T18:55:56Z")
I’m curious how long before Gym Jordan or MTG start trying to blame this failure on Pelosi or Biden. ---
**Author:** ![jsc1953](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/5daacb/32.png) [@jsc1953](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jsc1953)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2022, 8:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/3713 "2022-12-14T20:10:12Z")
Didn’t they start on January 7? Saying that Pelosi was in charge of Capitol security. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2022, 8:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/3714 "2022-12-14T20:27:19Z")
Yeah, it didn’t take 'em long at all. ---
**Author:** ![Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kolak_of_twilo/32/73_2.png) [@Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kolak_of_Twilo)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2022, 8:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/3715 "2022-12-14T20:38:50Z")
Yes they did. My point is the report is new and very specially shows warnings were ignored by the previous administration. When this gets pointed out in the coming “investigations” by the GOP I expect these clowns to try to turn it on Pelosi and Democrats. ---
**Author:** ![Akaj](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/akaj/32/145_2.png) [@Akaj](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Akaj)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2022, 9:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/3716 "2022-12-14T21:17:17Z")
I’m not so much interested in why the warnings weren’t heeded or who quashed them. I suspect it’s more a case of institutional inertia and/or negligence than intentional conspiracy with the insurrectionists. What I want to know is whether the information and messages tracked by the analyst is new to the DOJ, and if it can be used to investigate some of the higher-ups who haven’t yet been indicted. Can the posters be identified and tracked? ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2022, 10:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/3717 "2022-12-14T22:38:06Z")
Trump blamed the insurrection on Democrats. Saying that they wanted the riot/insurrection to happen or they would have had 10,000 troops there to stop it. Saw a blurb about it. He was interviewed on OAN. 🙄 And of course MTG said she and Bannon could have got the insurection done. WHO THE HELL ARE THESE PEOPLE? ---
**Author:** ![Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kolak_of_twilo/32/73_2.png) [@Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kolak_of_Twilo)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2022, 10:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/3718 "2022-12-14T22:46:48Z")
Seditionists at best, traitors at worst. Or just your everyday, run of the mill MAGAat. ---
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2022, 10:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/3719 "2022-12-14T22:58:15Z")
> [@Akaj](#): > > I’m not so much interested in why the warnings weren’t heeded or who quashed them. I suspect it’s more a case of institutional inertia and/or negligence than intentional conspiracy with the insurrectionists. I think that it is also an case that determining which threats are real vs which are just mouthing off is a lot easier in 20/20 hindsight. We don’t hear about the hundred other reports that were written about right wing extremists talking shit about revolution that never went beyond the armchair general stage. ---
**Author:** ![Akaj](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/akaj/32/145_2.png) [@Akaj](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Akaj)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2022, 11:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/3720 "2022-12-14T23:09:50Z")
Yeah, good point. It reminds me of the stories that came out after 9/11 about analysts who sniffed out the terrorists’ plans but couldn’t get their agencies to act on those suspicions. We never hear about the analysts who sniff out plans that don’t materialize, but they probably outnumber the real ones 100-1. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2022, 11:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/3721 "2022-12-14T23:24:30Z")
> [@Akaj](#): > > It reminds me of the stories that came out after 9/11 about analysts who sniffed out the terrorists’ plans but couldn’t get their agencies to act on those suspicions. > **[Bin Ladin Determined To Strike in US](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bin_Ladin_Determined_To_Strike_in_US)** > > Bin Ladin Determined To Strike in US was the title of the President's Daily Brief prepared by the Central Intelligence Agency and given to U.S. President George W. Bush on Monday, August 6, 2001. The brief warned, 36 days before the September 11 attacks, of terrorism threats from Osama bin Laden and al-Qaeda, including "patterns of suspicious activity in this country consistent with preparations for a hijacking" of U.S. aircraft. > The President's Daily Brief (PDB) is a brief of important cla... > **Bin Ladin Determined To Strike in US** was the title of the [President’s Daily Brief](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/President%27s_Daily_Brief) prepared by the [Central Intelligence Agency](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Central_Intelligence_Agency) and given to [U.S. President](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/President_of_the_United_States) [George W. Bush](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_W._Bush) on Monday, August 6, 2001. The brief warned, 36 days before the [September 11 attacks](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/September_11_attacks), of [terrorism](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism) threats from [Osama bin Laden](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osama_bin_Laden) and [al-Qaeda](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Qaeda), including “patterns of suspicious activity in this country consistent with preparations for a [hijacking](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aircraft_hijacking)” of U.S. [aircraft](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aircraft).[[1]](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bin_Ladin_Determined_To_Strike_in_US#cite_note-Blanton-1) > > … > > During 2001, CIA analysts produced several reports warning of imminent attacks by Bin Laden and al-Qaeda. Senior officials, including [Vice President](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vice_President_of_the_United_States) [Dick Cheney](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dick_Cheney) and staff from [Donald Rumsfeld](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Rumsfeld)’s office at the [Department of Defense](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Department_of_Defense), questioned whether these reports might not be deception on the part of al-Qaeda, purposely designed to needlessly expend resources in response. ---
**Author:** ![Akaj](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/akaj/32/145_2.png) [@Akaj](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Akaj)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2022, 11:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/3722 "2022-12-14T23:31:18Z")
OK, bad example. 😬 ---
**Author:** ![MulderMuffin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muldermuffin/32/2862_2.png) [@MulderMuffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MulderMuffin)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2022, 4:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/3723 "2022-12-15T04:42:36Z")
> [@Buck\_Godot](#): > > I think that it is also an case that determining which threats are real vs which are just mouthing off is a lot easier in 20/20 hindsight. We don’t hear about the hundred other reports that were written about right wing extremists talking shit about revolution that never went beyond the armchair general stage. Absolutely fair point. But based on this particular article they had a ton of specific, credible information that got stuck in the machine that’s supposed to suss out the wheat from the chaff. It didn’t even result in an official but bland “heads up” warning that there was chatter, perhaps heightened security or awareness might be warranted in these places at these times. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2022, 10:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/3724 "2022-12-17T22:46:20Z")
1/6 defendant charged with plotting to murder the FBI agents who investigated him. [bcnews.com/politics/politics-news/capitol-riot-defendant-planned-kill-fbi-agents-investigated-unsealed-f-rcna62214](http://bcnews.com/politics/politics-news/capitol-riot-defendant-planned-kill-fbi-agents-investigated-unsealed-f-rcna62214) ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2022, 11:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/3725 "2022-12-17T23:00:18Z")
‘Failed to load page content’ ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2022, 11:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/3726 "2022-12-17T23:02:46Z")
ah. I screwed up the link. Try this, > **[Capitol riot defendant planned to kill FBI agents who investigated him,...](https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/capitol-riot-defendant-planned-kill-fbi-agents-investigated-unsealed-f-rcna62214)** > > Edward Kelley, 33, of Tennessee is accused of planning to kill the federal agents who worked on his investigation and attack the FBI’s field office in Knoxville. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2022, 11:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/3727 "2022-12-17T23:05:10Z")
Ha! I was just going to ask if it was NBC! ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2022, 11:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/3728 "2022-12-17T23:05:19Z")
It’s like the idea of only getting 5 years in the slammer isn’t good enough for them - they have to try for 20 - life. Idjits. ---
**Author:** ![F.U.Shakespeare](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/aca169/32.png) [@F.U.Shakespeare](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/F.U.Shakespeare)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2022, 11:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/3729 "2022-12-17T23:38:26Z")
Yeah. Do they think that if they kill the guy who got the goods on them, the government has to let them go? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020.md?page=185) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020.md?page=187)