# 7 Jan 2021 and beyond - the aftermath of the storming of the Capitol **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [January 8, 2021, 10:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020 "2021-01-08T10:28:28Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 189
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2022, 3:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/3770 "2022-12-22T15:34:11Z")
Too bad you probably couldn’t require new employees to sign a contract for an agreed multiyear period of service. I suppose those who want out early would just try to provoke their own firing. ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2022, 3:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/3771 "2022-12-22T15:41:05Z")
Simpler approach is to include a requirement to re-pay for training, pro-rated for how long they have worked since the training. No messy issue about contractual terms and trying to tie them down; just if they leave, they may have to re-pay some of the training costs. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2022, 4:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/3772 "2022-12-22T16:23:54Z")
A good idea, but, in **Atamasama** ’s situation, I wouldn’t be surprised if the new employers pick up the tab. ---
**Author:** ![outlierrn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/outlierrn/32/3005_2.png) [@outlierrn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/outlierrn)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2022, 6:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/3773 "2022-12-22T18:01:04Z")
> [@DesertDog](#): > > Alkatrump? Oh, what a relief it is. ---
**Author:** ![Son\_of\_a\_Rich](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/son_of_a_rich/32/5439_2.png) [@Son\_of\_a\_Rich](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Son_of_a_Rich)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2022, 11:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/3774 "2022-12-23T23:43:26Z")
I wonder if, in all the back-and-forth communications between the plotters, if any thought was given to what their response would be to the inevitable Dem outrage, if the plot had been successful. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2022, 11:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/3775 "2022-12-23T23:47:40Z")
I think the plan was that any Democrat who complained would either be shot, or sent to prison on made up charges They were going full authoritarian. ---
**Author:** ![Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kolak_of_twilo/32/73_2.png) [@Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kolak_of_Twilo)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2022, 6:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/3776 "2022-12-24T06:12:32Z")
Yep, that seems to be it. Weren’t Stone, Eastman and Bannon pushing for him to invoke the insurrection act or some such? I’m fairly certain some of them foolishly thought the military would just go along and follow orders. ---
**Author:** ![thorny\_locust](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thorny_locust/32/431_2.png) [@thorny\_locust](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thorny_locust)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2022, 5:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/3777 "2022-12-24T17:39:57Z")
I suspect that a lot of them really thought the country was overwhelmingly behind them and there wouldn’t be much resistance. ---
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2022, 8:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/3778 "2022-12-24T20:26:35Z")
Ayup. A lot of those folks live so completely inside the RW bubble that their perceptions of reality are hopelessly warped. ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2022, 9:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/3779 "2022-12-24T21:08:21Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > No delta force is going to come rescue the guy, lol, the idea is silly. You think that the “silliness” of the idea would prevent Meal Team Sixpack from attempting it (and quite possibly getting somebody hurt or killed)? ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2022, 9:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/3780 "2022-12-24T21:34:08Z")
No. I think the general wimpiness of the American people will prevent it. Nobody is going to fight for Donald Trump, because _Americans don’t fight_. If we don’t have overwhelming force, we fold like cards. Shit, when the FBI went into Maralago and made him their bitch, did anyone protest for anything _other_ than TV coverage _at_ Maralago? Lol, tis to laugh. Meanwhile, I’m hanging at the local FBI office with an ‘arrest Trump’ sign for over a week… and nary a counter protestor. [![Imgur](https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52285566668_2f58ef78cc_b.jpg "20220814\_100527") ](https://www.flickr.com/photos/68782016@N08/52285566668/) Not. A. One. ---
**Author:** ![Pleonast](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pleonast/32/1183_2.png) [@Pleonast](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pleonast)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2022, 9:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/3781 "2022-12-24T21:46:14Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > I think the general wimpiness of the American people will prevent it. Wasn’t that a common refrain among countries who were subsequently beaten by the U.S.? I’m not saying you’re necessarily wrong, but I don’t think the evidence really supports it. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2022, 9:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/3782 "2022-12-24T21:58:56Z")
Yes, when we have organized, overwhelming force. When we don’t, we just bow to the wishes of corporations and government. ---
**Author:** ![Ann\_Hedonia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ann_hedonia/32/319_2.png) [@Ann\_Hedonia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ann_Hedonia)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2022, 10:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/3783 "2022-12-24T22:06:40Z")
> [@Kolak\_of\_Twilo](#): > > Yep, that seems to be it. Weren’t Stone, Eastman and Bannon pushing for him to invoke the insurrection act or some such? I’m fairly certain some of them foolishly thought the military would just go along and follow orders. You know how Trump keeps wankering about how he ordered ten thousand National Guard? There is some truth to that, because according to the report he was trying to get those 10K NG called up to escort him and protect him from Antifa during his victory march to the Capitol, a request that I’m sure was discreetly quashed by his fellow co-conspirators, who learned that co-conspiring with a toddler wasn’t easy. This is a detail I found in the report. ---
**Author:** ![CaptMurdock](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/captmurdock/32/11736_2.png) [@CaptMurdock](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CaptMurdock)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2022, 5:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/3784 "2022-12-25T05:56:07Z")
See: Greneda, 1983. 3000 Marines sent in to deal with a force of…18 Cubans. Not eighteen thousand. Not eighteen hundred. EIGHTEEN. I’m amazed even Clint Eastwood had the gall to make a movie about it. ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Duality](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mr.duality/32/4098_2.png) [@Mr.Duality](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Duality)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2022, 2:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/3785 "2022-12-25T14:10:57Z")
You really have lost your marbles. See: Viet Nam, Afghanistan. Americans will cross a half frozen river to kill you on Christmas. Not kidding. We’ve done it before. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2022, 2:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/3786 "2022-12-25T14:21:09Z")
Lol, when _ordered_ to. When _supported_ by the _US government_ and given _overwhelming force_ by which to _exercise their will_. The idea that a bunch of Americans are going to organize themselves to conduct a low-odds jailbreak of Donald is as big a fantasy as anything Stallone ever concocted. Literally. We just told a bunch of railroad workers to pound sand for them daring to want sick days. Nobody _fought_ for them. Of course not: Americans are easily cowed, easily ordered, and do not _fight_ for principle… unless, again, _ordered_ to by our corporate or government masters. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2022, 2:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/3787 "2022-12-25T14:49:04Z")
Shit, let’s run the numbers: 74,000,000 voters (100%) 10,000 ‘Stop the Steal’ attendees (.0135%, a 99.986% drop off) 1,000 (est) broke int9 the Capitol (a 90% drop off from attendee rallies) 0, zilch, nada, none: spontaneous J6 demonstrations in other cities. Like I said many times over the years: the idea that masses of people are going to _fight_ for Donald Trump is a fantasy. When he actively organized them, 10,000 people showed up. One out of every 8,000 Trump voters. That’s a bowel movement, not a mass movement. ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Duality](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mr.duality/32/4098_2.png) [@Mr.Duality](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Duality)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2022, 3:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/3788 "2022-12-25T15:06:19Z")
Maybe you haven’t lost your marbles, but you certainly were careless in your blanket statement, which follows: > [@JohnT](#): > > Yes, when we have organized, overwhelming force. When we don’t, we just bow to the wishes of corporations and government. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2022, 3:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/3789 "2022-12-25T15:35:47Z")
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