# 7 Jan 2021 and beyond - the aftermath of the storming of the Capitol **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [January 8, 2021, 10:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020 "2021-01-08T10:28:28Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 196
**Author:** ![Si\_Amigo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/si_amigo/32/2877_2.png) [@Si\_Amigo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Si_Amigo)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2023, 12:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/3910 "2023-02-02T12:10:51Z")
Dude, where’s my freedom? ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2023, 1:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/3911 "2023-02-02T13:01:11Z")
There’s also the nasty cynical suspicion that they “lost” the car but actually sold it. Admittedly, that’s less amusing than the story of them literally losing it. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2023, 1:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/3912 "2023-02-02T13:32:57Z")
It does conveniently avoid the problems of reporting it “stolen”. ---
**Author:** ![Daithi\_Lacha](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/daithi_lacha/32/5430_2.png) [@Daithi\_Lacha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Daithi_Lacha)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2023, 2:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/3913 "2023-02-02T14:32:23Z")
Probably they weren’t in a hurry to contact DC police and ask to look for the car in the impound lot. ---
**Author:** ![Akaj](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/akaj/32/145_2.png) [@Akaj](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Akaj)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2023, 2:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/3914 "2023-02-02T14:52:31Z")
> [@Railer13](#): > > 1/6 defendant, called an ‘insurrectionist’ by the judge, cries in courtroom and pleads for mercy. > > The judge is unmoved, hands down a sentence of 68 months. > > [Jan. 6 defendant who sprayed line of police sentenced after tearful apology - POLITICO](https://www.politico.com/news/2023/02/01/jan-6-defendant-sentenced-00080732) He absolutely deserves the sentence, but I wish/hope others sucked in by the Big Lie someday come to be as reflective and (it appears) genuinely remorseful: > “I must face my actions head on. … I hope that you and our country never have to face another day like January 6th.” He said he now looks back at his actions and “it literally floors me.” He described himself as “ashamed” and “embarrassed” about his conduct … ---
**Author:** ![Si\_Amigo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/si_amigo/32/2877_2.png) [@Si\_Amigo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Si_Amigo)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2023, 2:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/3915 "2023-02-02T14:56:12Z")
> [@Akaj](#): > > He absolutely deserves the sentence, but I wish/hope others sucked in by the Big Lie someday come to be as reflective and (it appears) genuinely remorsefu Well let’s hope they all get to spend a year in jail to reflect on their remorsefulness and work on their I’m sorry your honor act right before he tacks another almost 5 years on your stay. ---
**Author:** ![EllisDee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellisdee/32/4531_2.png) [@EllisDee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EllisDee)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2023, 12:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/3916 "2023-02-03T00:07:36Z")
By my count the sentence is 5 years 8 months, but he’s been held for 2 years already (since February 10th, 2021) and I believe that counts as time served. So another 3 years 8 months tacked on. ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2023, 12:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/3917 "2023-02-03T00:18:22Z")
You’ve calculated that right. He’s entitled to time served credit. If I understand correctly, there are no good-time/work-time credits at the federal level, so he’ll do every single day of that remaining 3 years and 8 months. ---
**Author:** ![EllisDee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellisdee/32/4531_2.png) [@EllisDee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EllisDee)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2023, 12:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/3918 "2023-02-03T00:26:39Z")
Google says federal sentencing allows 54 days off per 365 sentenced for good behavior. If so that could take off about 5 months from his sentence, but even still he’s looking at over 3 more years inside. Googling further out of curiosity, it looks like there is no federal parole, having been abolished in the '80s. Maybe that’s what you’re thinking of. ---
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2023, 12:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/3919 "2023-02-03T00:41:55Z")
Actually, after release from prison, convicts can be subject to a period of what’s called [supervised release](https://sgp.fas.org/crs/misc/RL31653.pdf) (pdf), which can have a number of conditions imposed. > Federal courts sentence almost 75% of the defendants convicted of federal offenses to a term of supervised release. A term of supervised release is a period following a defendant’s release from prison when a probation officer monitors the defendant to ensure compliance with the conditions for the defendant’s release. Under some circumstances, the court may terminate the term of supervised release, extend it, or revoke it. > > Supervised release replaces parole for federal crimes committed after November 1, 1987. Like parole, supervised release is a period of restricted freedom following a defendant’s release from prison. The nature of supervision and the conditions imposed during supervised release are similar to those that applied in the earlier system of federal parole. However, while parole operates in lieu of the remainder of an unexpired prison term, supervised release begins only after a defendant has completed his full prison sentence. Where revocation of parole could result in a defendant’s return to prison to finish out his original sentence, revocation of supervised release can lead to a return to prison for a term in addition to that imposed for the defendant’s original sentence. ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2023, 12:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/3920 "2023-02-03T00:44:48Z")
> [@EllisDee](#): > > Google says federal sentencing allows 54 days off per 365 sentenced for good behavior. If so that could take off about 5 months from his sentence, but even still he’s looking at over 3 more years inside. Interesting. I could have sworn it was here on the board that I learned there were no good-time/work-time credits – but I’ll certainly defer to your Google-fu! Thanks for fighting my ignorance. I can cite chapter and verse on California sentencing guidelines, but that’s a whole different thing than federal. Obviously. 😉 Thanks again. ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2023, 12:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/3921 "2023-02-03T00:48:55Z")
> [@Aspenglow](#): > > Interesting. I could have sworn it was here on the board that I learned there were no good-time/work-time credits – but I’ll certainly defer to your Google-fu! It was 15% when I did criminal law way back when. Which is about the 54 days per year mentioned upthread. It’s a lot less than most states, but it’s still something. ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2023, 12:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/3922 "2023-02-03T00:51:46Z")
You’re the “horse’s mouth” in my book, @Procrustus. Thanks. 🙂 And it certainly is a lot less than most states. In California, it was 1 day for every 2 days served. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2023, 4:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/3923 "2023-02-03T04:20:39Z")
LORDY, WE HAVE TAPES! > **[Trump campaign staff on 2020 election lies: ‘fan the flame’](https://apnews.com/article/biden-politics-2022-midterm-elections-donald-trump-madison-166e3f52e42cc45cff8f28b75dd23cfc)** > > MADISON, Wis. (AP) — A newly released audio recording offers a behind-the-scenes look at how former President Donald Trump’s campaign team in a pivotal battleground state knew they had been outflanked by Democrats in the 2020 presidential election. Audio recordings of Republican officials in Wisconsin, recordings made days after the 2020 election, reveal how the party officially accepted the loss but then changed their position to “the Dems stole the election” based upon the advice from the Trump campaign. ---
**Author:** ![wguy123](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wguy123/32/3161_2.png) [@wguy123](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wguy123)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2023, 2:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/3924 "2023-02-03T14:03:26Z")
> [@](#): > > Just be on standby if there’s any stunts we need to pull Not sure how you spin that, but there will be spin and deflection. ---
**Author:** ![Ann\_Hedonia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ann_hedonia/32/319_2.png) [@Ann\_Hedonia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ann_Hedonia)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2023, 2:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/3925 "2023-02-03T14:20:55Z")
Except that there is a good chance that he and everyone else involved in the insurrection attempt will be pardoned in less then two years. ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2023, 6:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/3926 "2023-02-03T18:41:30Z")
This is sort of a weird thought from me. I believe that the insurrectionist deserver every day they get in prison. I really do. Their lives will be ruined of course. They will never get a job. Decent people will have to support them. All because of one man and his lies. Trump is still a free man. Many lives could have been saved if Trump faced justice a long, long time ago. I guess prison for his supporters may dissuade other people that try to overthrow the government, but I doubt it. You **can** fix stupid, but it’s very, very hard to do so. Especially when the stupid side attacks education. So instead of the carrot, we are left with the stick. It’s sad really. ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2023, 6:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/3927 "2023-02-03T18:43:11Z")
> [@Ann\_Hedonia](#): > > Except that there is a good chance that he and everyone else involved in the insurrection attempt will be pardoned in less then two years. To be pardoned does not mean that the felony is removed. It’s an admission of guilt. Or am I wrong here? ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2023, 8:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/3928 "2023-02-03T20:11:53Z")
> [@enipla](#): > > It’s an admission of guilt. Or am I wrong here? It’s debatable. The case that says that was based on unusual fact pattern (whether someone could refuse a pardon designed to take away 5th amendment rights) Many people have been pardoned who have not considered it an admission of guilt. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2023, 8:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/3929 "2023-02-03T20:23:33Z")
Yes, still not absolutely nailed down as a principle of American law, unfortunately. See the last two paragraphs here: [Burdick v. United States - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burdick_v._United_States) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020.md?page=195) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020.md?page=197)