# 7 Jan 2021 and beyond - the aftermath of the storming of the Capitol **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [January 8, 2021, 10:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020 "2021-01-08T10:28:28Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 197
**Author:** ![PatrickLondon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/patricklondon/32/4422_2.png) [@PatrickLondon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PatrickLondon)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2023, 4:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/3930 "2023-02-04T04:45:16Z")
> [@enipla](#): > > Their lives will be ruined of course. They will never get a job. Decent people will have to support them. > > All because of one man and his lies. > > Trump is still a free man. Many lives could have been saved if Trump faced justice a long, long time ago. What are the chances that some of his erstwhile followers sue him for leading them up the garden path? ---
**Author:** ![Spoons](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spoons/32/3141_2.png) [@Spoons](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spoons)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2023, 4:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/3931 "2023-02-04T04:55:40Z")
> [@PatrickLondon](#): > > What are the chances that some of his erstwhile followers sue him for leading them up the garden path? I’d suggest zero. Trump is now a cult leader to his followers; whatever he says or does is infallible. That means that if his followers get caught and are charged for some reason, then they are the ones who are at fault–they didn’t understand his instructions, or they did not follow them correctly, or some such other thing where they didn’t do what he wanted in the way he wanted it. So, they regard themselves at fault, not Trump. ---
**Author:** ![dtilque](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/d6d6ee/32.png) [@dtilque](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dtilque)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2023, 7:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/3932 "2023-02-04T07:54:11Z")
> [@PatrickLondon](#): > > What are the chances that some of his erstwhile followers sue him for leading them up the garden path? I thought there was at least one such lawsuit. But a google doesn’t find anything, so I may be confused by the lawsuit(s) against Trump by the defenders of the Capitol. ---
**Author:** ![Railer13](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/railer13/32/9742_2.png) [@Railer13](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Railer13)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2023, 8:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/3933 "2023-02-09T20:44:41Z")
Another 1/6 defendant, the guy who carried the confederate flag in the capitol and threatened a cop with it, has been sentenced to 3 years in prison. > **[Kevin Seefried, Jan. 6 rioter who carried Confederate flag through Capitol,...](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/kevin-seefried-confederate-flag-january-6-capitol-sentenced-3-years/)** > > A federal judge called his conduct "outrageous" and "especially shocking" in handing down the sentence. ---
**Author:** ![Hypno-Toad](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/b2d939/32.png) [@Hypno-Toad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hypno-Toad)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2023, 8:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/3934 "2023-02-09T20:56:02Z")
“He cannot help but be afraid to ever trust a politician again,” his lawyers wrote. Poor guy. ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2023, 9:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/3935 "2023-02-09T21:09:01Z")
> [@Railer13](#): > > Another 1/6 defendant, the guy who carried the confederate flag in the capitol and threatened a cop with it, has been sentenced to 3 years in prison. While I cannot help but smile at these seditionists’ sentences, I cannot be truly happy until those who planned it are in the cell next to them. A fish rots from the head. ---
**Author:** ![rocking\_chair](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rocking_chair/32/2918_2.png) [@rocking\_chair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rocking_chair)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2023, 11:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/3936 "2023-02-09T23:20:29Z")
Special counsel Jack smith has subpoenaed mike pence. Jack smith is moving along with alacrity. ---
**Author:** ![Yllaria](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/yllaria/32/3452_2.png) [@Yllaria](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yllaria)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2023, 11:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/3937 "2023-02-09T23:21:25Z")
> [@Hypno-Toad](#): > > “He cannot help but be afraid to ever trust a politician again,” his lawyers wrote. > > Poor guy. I’d say that was a good thing. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2023, 8:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/3938 "2023-02-10T20:49:56Z")
Damn straight. Especially if he still considers himself a Republican. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2023, 9:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/3939 "2023-02-10T21:04:31Z")
I don’t know about that. As pretty much the entire agenda of Republicans since Ronnie’s “nine most destructive words”, has been to foster an environment of mistrust towards the government, the Republicans current playbook of demonstrating _why_ is not good for our country. ---
**Author:** ![Railer13](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/railer13/32/9742_2.png) [@Railer13](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Railer13)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2023, 8:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/3940 "2023-02-12T20:05:18Z")
The 1/6 trial for some of the Proud Boys, including their former national chairman, Enrique Tarrio, has been beset by arguments between defense attorneys and the judge. > **[Bickering bogs down Capitol riot trial of Proud Boys leaders](https://apnews.com/article/legal-proceedings-proud-boys-timothy-kelly-20648ad33f958aa2d6f0dbd80a2474ad)** > > The seditious conspiracy trial of five Proud Boys leaders charged in the Capitol riot has been going on for a month now in federal court in Washington, and bickering between lawyers and the judge has bogged things down. > One recent day in court, defense lawyer Norm Pattis compared the trial to visiting “Gilligan’s Island,” the title and setting of the 1960s-era sitcom about a shipwrecked boat’s crew and passengers. If the name Norm Pattis looks familiar, it’s because he is Alex Jones’ lawyer, the attorney who got suspended for releasing the entire contents of Jones’ phone. That suspension is now under appeal. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2023, 9:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/3941 "2023-02-12T21:00:11Z")
> Pattis urged Kelly to reconsider a ruling allowing prosecutors to introduce posts from the social media platform Parler. He has a point. How can the judge allow the defendants’ own words to be used against them? How is that even fair? ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2023, 9:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/3942 "2023-02-12T21:01:57Z")
What you say in public is fair game. What you say to the police can be fair game, like a confession, provided the police follow the rules for interrogation. You just can’t be forced to testify in your trial. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2023, 9:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/3943 "2023-02-12T21:07:52Z")
> [@Northern\_Piper](#): > > What you say in public is fair game. > … > You just can’t be forced to testify in your trial. Vas joke. But I can imagine the lawyers arguing that using the defendants’ own words against them is the same thing as being forced to testify against themselves. (I can certainly imagine Trump believing that.) Nonsense, of course; but I think the RWNJ’s lawyers are not top-notch. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2023, 11:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/3944 "2023-02-12T23:22:48Z")
> [@Johnny\_L.A](#): > > I think the RWNJ’s lawyers are not top-notch. **It’s Norm effing Pattis.** He’s _infamously_ bad. ---
**Author:** ![Chad\_Sudan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chad_sudan/32/4509_2.png) [@Chad\_Sudan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chad_Sudan)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2023, 2:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/3945 "2023-02-13T14:31:09Z")
The rank-and-file insurrectionists – unlike their ringleader – have been systematically rounded up and are being tried and sentenced. In some cases, they will be serving years in prison. What’s the right-wing media’s take on that? Have right-wing U.S. commentators condemned these trials? ---
**Author:** ![CaptMurdock](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/captmurdock/32/11736_2.png) [@CaptMurdock](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CaptMurdock)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2023, 6:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/3946 "2023-02-14T06:10:59Z")
Oh, hell yeah. Variations on the “political prisoners sent to the gulag by the communist left” theme. Frankly, I’m starting to hope for public execution by firing squad. Why not? The MAGAts are going to accuse Democrats of eliminating their political enemies anyway. If they’re going to accuse you of being a bear, be a grizzly! ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2023, 1:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/3947 "2023-02-14T13:15:56Z")
> [@CaptMurdock](#): > > Frankly, I’m starting to hope for public execution by firing squad. Why not? While I’m more a fan of forced labor, I agree completely. ---
**Author:** ![JKellyMap](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jkellymap/32/15880_2.png) [@JKellyMap](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JKellyMap)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2023, 1:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/3948 "2023-02-15T13:53:53Z")
> [@enipla](#): > > All because of one man and his lies. I respectfully disagree, vociferously. I’d say it’s closer to the opposite: one lying man benefitted yugely because there were so many traitorous idiots out there ripe for the picking. ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2023, 2:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/3949 "2023-02-15T14:09:12Z")
Yeah, I donno. Sure, Trump kicked over stones and exposed these idiots, but if he hadn’t lied constantly about everything, I think these people would still be under their rocks. Now that can be good and bad. At least some of them are seeing justice. But now TPTB have a new chapter for their playbook ~ “Do what every you want with no repercussions” Provided of course that you are not just a lowly foot soldier. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020.md?page=196) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020.md?page=198)