# 7 Jan 2021 and beyond - the aftermath of the storming of the Capitol **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [January 8, 2021, 10:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020 "2021-01-08T10:28:28Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 203
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2023, 7:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/4051 "2023-03-20T19:29:22Z")
Ah, the old, “I didn’t read that part of the contract I signed so I can’t be held accountable,” gambit. ---
**Author:** ![rocking\_chair](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rocking_chair/32/2918_2.png) [@rocking\_chair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rocking_chair)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2023, 3:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/4052 "2023-03-21T15:20:48Z")
the oath keeper trial convictions are as follows: out of 34 charges regarding acts during jan 6th, the jury has returned a total of 27 guilty verdicts. each defendant has been convicted of at least one charge. 5 counts of not guilty, and the jury is still deliberating on 2 charges. 4 of the defendants were convicted on the most serious charge of obstrution of an official proceeding. the ones found guilty of various crimes are: connie meggs 60, wife of kelly meggs, who was convicted earlier this year. convicted on all 5 counts, 2 counts of conspiracy to obstruct, preventing congress, destruction of government property, and trespassing. laura steele 53 two counts, obstruction and preventing congress, and obstructing police and tampering with evidence. bennie (72) and sandra (63) parker, sandra parker has been convicted on 6 counts. conspiracy, obstruction, preventing congress, destruction, trespass, and obstruction of police officers. bennie was convicted on tresspassing, the jury is deliberating on obstruction. william isaacs 23 two counts obstruction and preventing congress and 2 counts, obstructing police officers. michael greene 39, greene is the one that the jury is still deliberating. he is convicted on trespassing, was aquitted on 3 other charges, obstructing an official proceeding is still pending. some serious time in the federal system racked up. so far i’m impressed by how the doj is getting this moving along. 2 years and over 1000 convictions. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2023, 8:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/4053 "2023-03-23T20:40:40Z")
“Sentenced to prison” works for me. WASHINGTON (AP) — A Pennsylvania woman linked to a far-right extremist movement was sentenced on Thursday to three years in prison for storming the U.S. Capitol, where she invaded then-House Speaker Nancy Pelosi’s office with other rioters. Riley June Williams, 23, of Harrisburg, Pennsylvania, was charged but not convicted of helping steal a laptop from Pelosi’s office suite during the riot on Jan. 6, 2021. A federal jury convicted Williams in November of six charges, including a felony count of civil disorder, after a two-week trial. But it deadlocked on two other counts, including “aiding and abetting" the laptop’s theft. > **[Rioter charged in Pelosi laptop theft sentenced to prison](https://news.yahoo.com/rioter-charged-pelosi-laptop-theft-191525424.html)** > > A Pennsylvania woman linked to a far-right extremist movement was sentenced on Thursday to three years in prison for storming the U.S. Capitol, where she invaded then-House Speaker Nancy Pelosi’s office with other rioters. Riley June Williams, 23,... ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2023, 5:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/4054 "2023-03-24T05:51:09Z")
What’s the Pennsylvania position on allowing felons to vote again? ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2023, 12:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/4055 "2023-03-24T12:40:09Z")
It depends. For example, if you violated the Election Code in the last four years, then no. [Criminal Status & Voting](https://www.vote.pa.gov/Register-to-Vote/Pages/Convicted-Felon,-Misdemeanant-or-Pretrial-Detainee.aspx) ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2023, 2:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/4056 "2023-03-24T14:22:05Z")
part of her lawyer’s argument at sentencing appears to have been that since she was a girl, she shouldn’t be punished as heavily: > “In some respects, she is starkly different from the average January 6th defendant – particularly given her youth and that she is a female,” ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2023, 4:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/4057 "2023-03-24T16:50:58Z")
Judges should be equal-opportunity felony sentencers. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2023, 5:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/4058 "2023-03-24T17:04:14Z")
What, no mention of her melanin content? What kind of lawyer did she hire? ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2023, 5:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/4059 "2023-03-24T17:09:56Z")
I don’t think that would make her stand out in any way from the bulk of the J6 insurgents. ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2023, 5:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/4060 "2023-03-24T17:12:36Z")
My snarky comment raises a serious question: have there been any J6 insurgents who were not fair-skinned? I don’t remember seeing any in the media coverage, but it’s not like I’ve been watching everything, either of the riot itself, or the subsequent coverage of the trials. ---
**Author:** ![Rhodes](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rhodes/32/273_2.png) [@Rhodes](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rhodes)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2023, 5:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/4061 "2023-03-24T17:52:02Z")
[John Earle Sullivan](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Earle_Sullivan). My trumpist coworkers point to him as evidence that the insurrectionists were antifa. ---
**Author:** ![rocking\_chair](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rocking_chair/32/2918_2.png) [@rocking\_chair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rocking_chair)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2023, 6:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/4062 "2023-03-24T18:09:56Z")
[Meadows, numerous Trump aides, ordered to testify in Jan. 6 probe | The Hill](https://thehill.com/regulation/court-battles/3916684-meadows-numerous-trump-aides-ordered-to-testify-in-jan-6-probe/) another loss for the trump camp. jack smith wins more testimony. ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2023, 6:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/4063 "2023-03-24T18:13:06Z")
> [@Northern\_Piper](#): > > part of her lawyer’s argument at sentencing appears to have been that since she was a girl, she shouldn’t be punished as heavily “The Hammer of Justice is unisex!” ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2023, 2:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/4064 "2023-03-25T02:59:15Z")
> [@Northern\_Piper](#): > > part of her lawyer’s argument at sentencing appears to have been that since she was a girl, she shouldn’t be punished as heavily: Yup. The GOP wants to punish all women equally. Because they’re women. ---
**Author:** ![rocking\_chair](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rocking_chair/32/2918_2.png) [@rocking\_chair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rocking_chair)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2023, 5:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/4065 "2023-03-28T17:38:28Z")
[Mike Pence must testify about conversations he had with Donald Trump leading up to January 6, 2021, judge rules | CNN Politics](https://edition.cnn.com/2023/03/28/politics/mike-pence-grand-jury-testimony) the appeal did not work. pence must testify. pence could try another appeal. so far smith is the only one winning in the appeals. A federal judge has decided that former Vice President Mike Pence must testify to a grand jury about conversations he had with Donald Trump leading up to January 6, 2021, according to multiple sources familiar with a recent federal court ruling. But the judge said – in a ruling that remains under seal – that Pence can still decline to answer questions related to his actions on January 6 itself, when he was serving as president of the Senate for the certification of the 2020 presidential election, according to one of the sources. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2023, 6:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/4066 "2023-03-28T18:43:53Z")
I’m still astounded that Pence fought testifying against a guy who tried to have him killed. I know if I was him, wild horses couldn’t have kept me away. Not sure what the logic is of different rules for what happened on Jan 6 as opposed to before, but hopefully Pence can give them some good stuff. I predict more appeals. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2023, 7:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/4067 "2023-03-28T19:25:45Z")
Pence still (in great futility IMHO) has his eye on the White House himself for next year, and doesn’t want to be seen by the MAGA types as being _too_ cooperative with the Special Counsel. ---
**Author:** ![EllisDee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellisdee/32/4531_2.png) [@EllisDee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EllisDee)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2023, 7:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/4068 "2023-03-28T19:27:00Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > Not sure what the logic is of different rules for what happened on Jan 6 as opposed to before, but hopefully Pence can give them some good stuff. I interpret it as they can’t ask him about not trusting his secret service detail. ---
**Author:** ![Ludovic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@Ludovic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ludovic)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2023, 7:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/4069 "2023-03-28T19:33:09Z")
> [@CaptMurdock](#): > > How about The Nine-Millimeter Pardon? Trump has a nine millimeter pardon - wait, I misread that last word. ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2023, 7:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/4070 "2023-03-28T19:38:53Z")
Moderating: > [@CaptMurdock](#): > > How about The Nine-Millimeter Pardon? > [@Ludovic](#): > > Trump has a nine millimeter pardon - wait, I misread that last word. These posts are both uncomfortably close to wishing death on Trump. You can feel however you feel about him and I have great empathy for that, but we’re not allowed insinuate it in print here. Let’s stop with these comments, please. > [@Mr.Duality](#): > > Re-education camps might be sufficient. We’re in P&E, not the Pit. Let’s stick to the topic at hand. Thanks. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020.md?page=202) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020.md?page=204)