# 7 Jan 2021 and beyond - the aftermath of the storming of the Capitol **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [January 8, 2021, 10:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020 "2021-01-08T10:28:28Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 208
**Author:** ![rocking\_chair](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rocking_chair/32/2918_2.png) [@rocking\_chair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rocking_chair)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2023, 10:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/4151 "2023-05-04T22:10:19Z")
Perhaps the Lincoln project will buy ad time on fox and the other channels. ---
**Author:** ![thorny\_locust](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thorny_locust/32/431_2.png) [@thorny\_locust](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thorny_locust)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2023, 10:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/4152 "2023-05-04T22:40:45Z")
> [@rocking\_chair](#): > > Perhaps the Lincoln project will buy ad time on fox Very weird ad time, if so. Whether this actually got onto Fox I don’t know, but rather doubt: > **[The Lincoln Project: Trusted](https://lincolnproject.us/trusted/)** > > Est. reading time: 1 minute – the question is, do they mean their supposed intended audience to see this as satire? as evidence that they’ve been lied to all along? or will they take it straight as more fuel for the fire? Or does the Lincoln Project figure that by now only liberals are watching their ads? ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2023, 6:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/4153 "2023-05-05T18:33:04Z")
Just trying to drive a wedge between MAGAheads and Fox, I guess. Love the George Santos cameo, though! ---
**Author:** ![rocking\_chair](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rocking_chair/32/2918_2.png) [@rocking\_chair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rocking_chair)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2023, 10:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/4154 "2023-05-05T22:11:25Z")
> **[Man gets 14 years in 1/6 case, longest sentence imposed yet](https://apnews.com/article/jan-6-capitol-peter-schwartz-insurrection-9176bad22fff2bafaea5c32ce06bb772)** > > A Kentucky man with a long criminal record has been sentenced to a record-setting 14 years in prison for attacking police officers with pepper spray as he stormed the U.S. Capitol with his wife. Peter Schwartz’s prison sentence is the longest so far... Longest sentence so far for Jan 6th. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2023, 10:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/4155 "2023-05-05T22:13:56Z")
Good. By they time they get to the inner circle, they won’t be handing down sentences, but more like paragraphs! ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2023, 12:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/4156 "2023-05-06T12:26:25Z")
On that note… > **[U.S. seeks 25 years in prison for Rhodes in first Jan. 6 sedition case](https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2023/05/05/oathkeepers-sentence-rhodes-recommendation/?pwapi_token=eyJ0eXAiOiJKV1QiLCJhbGciOiJIUzI1NiJ9.eyJzdWJpZCI6IjMxNDU5NzI2IiwicmVhc29uIjoiZ2lmdCIsIm5iZiI6MTY4MzM0NTYwMCwiaXNzIjoic3Vic2NyaXB0aW9ucyIsImV4cCI6MTY4NDY0MTU5OSwiaWF0IjoxNjgzMzQ1NjAwLCJqdGkiOiI3MTk4ZGRhZi0yNzRjLTQ0MTUtOTk5Ny0wYjJlOWI2NWFkZDUiLCJ1cmwiOiJodHRwczovL3d3dy53YXNoaW5ndG9ucG9zdC5jb20vZGMtbWQtdmEvMjAyMy8wNS8wNS9vYXRoa2VlcGVycy1zZW50ZW5jZS1yaG9kZXMtcmVjb21tZW5kYXRpb24vIn0.iJiNVanw_HtzIvQ7f4mgxTzRhaU1LJIw2l_pYup_LQ0&itid=gfta)** > > Oath Keepers founder Stewart Rhodes and four others are set to be the first sentenced for seditious conspiracy in the Capitol breach. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2023, 2:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/4157 "2023-05-06T14:24:08Z")
Is anyone besides us (i.e., are any Republicans) paying attention to/noticing that in fact these insurrectionists are, one by one, getting their comeuppance? Never mind… Yeah, I know-- ancient history. ---
**Author:** ![Railer13](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/railer13/32/9742_2.png) [@Railer13](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Railer13)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2023, 3:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/4158 "2023-05-06T15:10:22Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > Is anyone besides us (i.e., are any Republicans) paying attention to/noticing that in fact these insurrectionists are, one by one, getting their comeuppance? Doubtful if Fox will mention this tidbit. And it’s also doubtful it they’ll own up to the fact that they were wrong about the lack of criminal charges relating to the insurrection. This is worth a watch. > ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2023, 3:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/4159 "2023-05-06T15:17:00Z")
Pink Beret has been located. > **[Jan. 6 rioter in pink beret identified after ex spotted her in a viral FBI tweet](https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/justice-department/jan-6-rioter-pink-beret-identified-ex-spotted-viral-fbi-tweet-rcna82286)** > > “It’s just going to be one of those things for me. I dated this girl that was on the FBI’s most wanted list.” I guess some of the Right wingers looking for excuses tried to pass her off as a government asset tricking the poor insurrectionists into doing insurrection. " In the months that she remained unidentified, some speculated that Pink Beret was[an “agent provocateur,”](https://www.huffpost.com/entry/tucker-carlson-capitol-attack-jan-6-rally-runner_n_61afb97de4b01fcf12b89bd9) part of a pattern of Jan. 6 defendants and their supporters attempting to deflect responsibility for their actions by suggesting fellow rioters were working on behalf of the government to entrap Trump supporters during the attack. Kira West, an attorney for Jan. 6 defendant Darrell Neely, has questioned the government about Pink Beret, who is seen on video holding hands with Neely inside the Capitol. West wrote in a memo this year that it was “hard to believe the government doesn’t know who she is and even harder to understand why they haven’t charged her with crimes like everyone else.” West, in a filing in February,[wrote](https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.dcd.236794/gov.uscourts.dcd.236794.72.0.pdf) that “Mr. Neely’s entry into the Capitol was directed by Pink Beret. Mr. Neely needs to know who she is and why she was there. He also needs to understand if he was targeted by her that day and for what purpose.” ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2023, 4:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/4160 "2023-05-06T16:20:12Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > Is anyone besides us (i.e., are any Republicans) paying attention to/noticing that in fact these insurrectionists are, one by one, getting their comeuppance? Trump is publicly musing about pardoning them when he wins in 2024. I thought there was something more recent, but this is from last year [https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/3528189-trump-says-he-would-look-very-very-seriously-at-pardons-for-jan-6-defendants-if-reelected/](https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/3528189-trump-says-he-would-look-very-very-seriously-at-pardons-for-jan-6-defendants-if-reelected/) ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2023, 5:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/4161 "2023-05-06T17:18:54Z")
There have been hundreds of indictments, haven’t there? I don’t know exactly how to search for the exact number. I can see him having a pardon party on the lawn of the White House. He’ll serve Mickey D’s. Okay, now I’m going to gouge out my eyes with a grapefruit spoon. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2023, 5:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/4162 "2023-05-06T17:31:06Z")
> [@bobot](#): > > West, in a filing in February,[wrote](https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.dcd.236794/gov.uscourts.dcd.236794.72.0.pdf) that “Mr. Neely’s entry into the Capitol was directed by Pink Beret. Mr. Neely needs to know who she is and why she was there. He also needs to understand if he was targeted by her that day and for what purpose.” This lawyer never heard about “You should never meet your heroes” or in this case the one that Neely wanted to know is not going to save him. > The clothing designer, who’s based in Los Angeles, met Vargas, who’s from Sacramento, online and they hit it off “really well” in late 2018. In early 2019, when they were in their early 20s, Vargas flew down to L.A. “We weren’t, like, trying to get married or anything,” he said. “We were hooking up for a few months.” > > Toward the end of those months, the designer said, Vargas posted on his Discord that she was reading Hitler’s 1925 manifesto. They got into a discussion about it that revealed more of Vargas’ far-right politics, he said. > > “I was just instantly turned off, like, ‘Yo, I don’t think this is going to work out,’” he said. “You’re, like, reading ‘Mein Kampf,’ you think immigrants don’t deserve X, Y, Z.” (One of the social media accounts linked to Vargas, which was viewed by NBC News, also makes references to Hitler.) ---
**Author:** ![Shoeless](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shoeless/32/7099_2.png) [@Shoeless](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shoeless)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2023, 3:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/4163 "2023-05-07T15:02:38Z")
> [@bobot](#): > > " In the months that she remained unidentified, some speculated that Pink Beret was[an “agent provocateur,”](https://www.huffpost.com/entry/tucker-carlson-capitol-attack-jan-6-rally-runner_n_61afb97de4b01fcf12b89bd9) part of a pattern of Jan. 6 defendants and their supporters attempting to deflect responsibility for their actions by suggesting fellow rioters were working on behalf of the government to entrap Trump supporters during the attack. The GOP - the party of personal responsibility. 🙄 ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2023, 3:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/4164 "2023-05-07T15:13:32Z")
> [@Shoeless](#): > > The GOP - the party of personal responsibility. 🙄 It’s the “A bigger boy made me do it sir” defence. ---
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2023, 4:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/4165 "2023-05-07T16:36:41Z")
> [@Shoeless](#): > > The GOP - the party of personal responsibility. 🙄 In politics, the less you plan to do about something, the more you must talk about it. ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2023, 11:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/4166 "2023-05-08T11:16:08Z")
At least it wasn’t a Raspberry Beret, or Prince would have sued her from beyond the grave. ---
**Author:** ![scudsucker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/scudsucker/32/14101_2.png) [@scudsucker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/scudsucker)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2023, 12:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/4167 "2023-05-08T12:29:33Z")
I, for one, appreciate the fact that not all of the insurrectionists wore pseudo combat attire: according to the NBC, Ms. Pink Beret was sporting some fashion sense: “get the f—ing rope,” someone yells repeatedly as rioters smash equipment and Pink Beret looks on in high heels.” After all, when the revolution comes, someone needs to be first on the catwalk. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2023, 6:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/4168 "2023-05-08T18:09:00Z")
"Work it, baby! _Work it!"_ ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2023, 6:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/4169 "2023-05-08T18:23:09Z")
Fourteen year sentence for this bozo. > **[Ky. man gets 14 years in Jan. 6 Capitol riot case, longest sentence imposed yet](https://www.kentucky.com/news/state/kentucky/article275140041.html)** > > He attacked police officers with pepper spray and a chair as he stormed the U.S. Capitol with his wife. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2023, 6:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/4170 "2023-05-08T18:52:42Z")
Already reported here days ago. > [@7 Jan 2021 and beyond - the aftermath of the storming of the Capitol](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/4154): > > Longest sentence so far for Jan 6th. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020.md?page=207) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020.md?page=209)