# 7 Jan 2021 and beyond - the aftermath of the storming of the Capitol **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [January 8, 2021, 10:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020 "2021-01-08T10:28:28Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 212
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2023, 8:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/4231 "2023-06-02T20:31:51Z")
It’s not a Golden _Calf_, but… ---
**Author:** ![OttoDaFe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ottodafe/32/356_2.png) [@OttoDaFe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OttoDaFe)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2023, 8:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/4232 "2023-06-02T20:34:28Z")
More of a Golden Ass. ---
**Author:** ![susan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/susan/32/17537_2.png) [@susan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/susan)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2023, 10:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/4233 "2023-06-02T22:03:10Z")
I’ve read it was a golden calf phallus, so this one wasn’t too far off. ---
**Author:** ![Railer13](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/railer13/32/9742_2.png) [@Railer13](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Railer13)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2023, 5:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/4234 "2023-06-04T17:53:11Z")
And two more Oath Keepers will be spending time in the company of other men. > **[Oath Keepers get prison sentences for sedition in US Capitol attack](https://www.reuters.com/world/us/two-more-oath-keepers-be-sentenced-sedition-us-capitol-attack-2023-06-02/)** > > Oath Keepers militant group members David Moerschel and Joseph Hackett were sentenced on Friday to prison for seditious conspiracy and other crimes arising from the Jan. 6, 2021, attack on the U.S. Capitol by then-President Donald Trump's supporters. ---
**Author:** ![rocking\_chair](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rocking_chair/32/2918_2.png) [@rocking\_chair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rocking_chair)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2023, 1:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/4235 "2023-06-05T13:17:06Z")
3ish years for sedition seems a bit under sentenced to me. i would have gone a lot higher in these sentences for the oath keepers. ---
**Author:** ![snowthx](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowthx/32/10660_2.png) [@snowthx](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snowthx)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2023, 2:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/4236 "2023-06-05T14:49:01Z")
I agree, but IIRC the charge of sedition has been rarely used until J6. Perhaps now that it is being used for these idiots more regularly, people will think twice before taking actions such as these people took - they are being made an example as a warning to others: “Yes, you actually CAN be charged with sedition these days.” ---
**Author:** ![JKellyMap](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jkellymap/32/15880_2.png) [@JKellyMap](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JKellyMap)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2023, 3:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/4237 "2023-06-05T15:30:13Z")
Holy crap, that’s the funniest five seconds over eight seasons (or whatever) of Gilligan’s Island. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2023, 9:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/4238 "2023-06-06T21:54:48Z")
NYTimes is reporting that Mark Meadows testified to the DC grand jury. I am sure there was a rich panoply of questions he was asked, including testifying whether specific passages in his own book were (or were not) accurate. > ---
**Author:** ![Son\_of\_a\_Rich](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/son_of_a_rich/32/5439_2.png) [@Son\_of\_a\_Rich](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Son_of_a_Rich)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2023, 1:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/4239 "2023-06-07T13:40:26Z")
Meadows should be able to say whether the papers trump was waving around in that interview meeting were classified documents. ---
**Author:** ![Railer13](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/railer13/32/9742_2.png) [@Railer13](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Railer13)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2023, 10:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/4240 "2023-06-07T22:10:36Z")
Interesting… > **[Trump ally Bannon subpoenaed in special counsel Jack Smith's Jan. 6 grand...](https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/other/trump-ally-bannon-subpoenaed-in-special-counsel-jack-smith-s-jan-6-grand-jury-probe/ar-AA1cgbcX)** > > The Washington, D.C.-based grand jury is separate from one investigating the former president's handling of classified documents. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2023, 11:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/4241 "2023-06-07T23:34:24Z")
Book 'em, Dan-o: > **[Long Island funeral home owner arrested two years after Jan. 6 sleuths ID'd him](https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/justice-department/ny-funeral-home-owner-arrested-jan-6-sleuths-ided-rcna88111)** > > Peter G. Moloney was arrested by the FBI after he was identified by the online network of "Sedition Hunters," who have found hundreds of Capitol rioters since Jan. 6, 2021. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2023, 3:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/4242 "2023-06-13T03:46:47Z")
[Hudson woman gets 11 months in prison for role in Jan. 6 riot](https://www.yahoo.com/news/hudson-woman-gets-11-months-035900628.html) Evidently she’s a member of the Proud Boys. I didn’t know they were so into gender equality. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2023, 3:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/4243 "2023-06-13T03:53:20Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > Evidently she’s a member of the Proud Boys. I didn’t know they were so into gender equality. They are also accept people if they’re gay. They’re particular but fervent with their bigotry. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2023, 4:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/4244 "2023-06-13T04:05:01Z")
> [@Atamasama](#): > > They are also accept people if they’re gay. New TV Series: _Queer Eye for the Traitor Guy & Gal_? Tagline: "Orange is the new Black and White Stripes. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2023, 4:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/4245 "2023-06-13T04:31:02Z")
[Oorah!](https://www.yahoo.com/news/two-active-duty-marines-plead-011309826.html?a20_comeback_from_auth=1) > **Two active-duty Marines plead guilty to Capitol riot charges** > > Two of three men who were active-duty Marines when they [participated together](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/3-active-duty-marines-charged-in-jan-6-capitol-assault/?ftag=YHF4eb9d17) in the [Jan. 6 insurrection at the U.S. Capitol](https://www.cbsnews.com/feature/assault-on-the-us-capitol/?ftag=YHF4eb9d17) pleaded guilty on Monday to riot-related criminal charges, officials said. > > Joshua Abate and Dodge Dale Hellonen pleaded guilty to parading, demonstrating or picketing in a Capitol building, a spokesperson for the U.S. Attorney’s Office for the District of Columbia said. They’re set to be sentenced in September. The charge carries a sentence of up to six months in prison, one year of supervised release and a fine of up to $5,000. ---
**Author:** ![scudsucker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/scudsucker/32/14101_2.png) [@scudsucker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/scudsucker)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2023, 6:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/4246 "2023-06-13T06:34:29Z")
Not knowing anything about military law, I wonder if these gentlemen will get a dishonorable discharge? They did not commit a military crime, unless AWOL at the time, but perhaps something like “bringing the service into disrepute” ---
**Author:** ![EllisDee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellisdee/32/4531_2.png) [@EllisDee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EllisDee)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2023, 6:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/4247 "2023-06-13T06:50:54Z")
The following cite says that active duty members can attend protests but not be one of the speakers. But if they’re on duty then they can’t even attend an off-base protest. > **[Here Are the Rules on Political Activity and Protests for Active-Duty Troops](https://www.military.com/benefits/military-legal-matters/active-duty-military-participate-protests-make-political-statements.html)** > > Can military members participate in protests and rallies or be politically active? Here are the rules. But here’s where I think they’re going to have problems: > A separate set of rules, DoD Directive 1325.06, further addresses active-duty troop attendance at off-base demonstrations. That instruction blocks troops from attending if they are on duty; they are in a foreign country; the activity is a “breach of law and order;” or “violence is likely to result,” it states. ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2023, 6:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/4248 "2023-06-13T06:52:53Z")
They were arrested only this year. There wasn’t a lengthy proceeding; these two were caught and pretty quickly pled guilty. Details from back at the time of their arrest: > **[3 Active-Duty Marines Who Work in Intelligence Arrested for Alleged...](https://www.military.com/daily-news/2023/01/19/3-active-duty-marines-who-work-intelligence-arrested-alleged-participation-jan-6-riot.html)** > > Micah Coomer, Joshua Abate, and Dodge Dale Hellonen -- three men identified by investigators as active-duty Marines -- were arrested on four charges each. From what I understand, they are likely to be discharged after the completion of their sentences. By keeping them in the service until then, they can do their time in military prison; if they’re discharged first, they’re then civilians. This is just based on things I’ve read so if that’s wrong I welcome correction. The fact that they were active-duty servicemen and they didn’t come forward after 6-Jan, clearly hoping to go unnoticed and unpunished, seems to me to argue against any kind of leniency in their sentencing. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2023, 8:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/4249 "2023-06-13T08:46:09Z")
> [@Cervaise](#): > > From what I understand, they are likely to be discharged after the completion of their sentences. By keeping them in the service until then, they can do their time in military prison; if they’re discharged first, they’re then civilians. This is just based on things I’ve read so if that’s wrong I welcome correction. > > The fact that they were active-duty servicemen and they didn’t come forward after 6-Jan, clearly hoping to go unnoticed and unpunished, seems to me to argue against any kind of leniency in their sentencing. Their duty status is listed as “Confined - Civil Authorities” and they will not do their time in a military prison. What will happen is they will receive an administrative discharge for the good of the service. Dishonorable Discharges and Bad Conduct Discharges can only be issued by order of a court-martial. ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2023, 9:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/4250 "2023-06-13T09:05:48Z")
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