# 7 Jan 2021 and beyond - the aftermath of the storming of the Capitol **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [January 8, 2021, 10:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020 "2021-01-08T10:28:28Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 213
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2023, 9:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/4251 "2023-06-13T09:42:44Z")
I should also mention the ADSEP will be soon, not after their ssntence is completed. Granted it has been some time since I retired, but I don’t see the laws and regulation regarding this changing that much. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2023, 12:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/4252 "2023-06-13T12:31:48Z")
I wonder if they know this nut. > **[Army probing officer Emily Rainey who led group to deadly DC riots](https://nypost.com/2021/01/11/army-investigating-officer-who-led-group-to-deadly-dc-riots/)** > > An Army psychological warfare officer is being investigated for busing people more than 300 miles to attend the Trump rally that turned into deadly riots at the Capitol, Army officials have confirm… ---
**Author:** ![Ann\_Hedonia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ann_hedonia/32/319_2.png) [@Ann\_Hedonia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ann_Hedonia)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2023, 12:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/4253 "2023-06-13T12:48:50Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > [Hudson woman gets 11 months in prison for role in Jan. 6 riot](https://www.yahoo.com/news/hudson-woman-gets-11-months-035900628.html) > > Evidently she’s a member of the Proud Boys. I didn’t know they were so into gender equality. FWIW, Convicted OathKeeper Jessica Watkins is a transgender woman. [https://www.cnn.com/2023/05/26/politics/oath-keepers-jessica-watkins-sentencing/index.html](https://www.cnn.com/2023/05/26/politics/oath-keepers-jessica-watkins-sentencing/index.html) ---
**Author:** ![thorny\_locust](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thorny_locust/32/431_2.png) [@thorny\_locust](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thorny_locust)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2023, 2:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/4254 "2023-06-13T14:35:59Z")
> [@EllisDee](#): > > The following cite says that active duty members can attend protests but not be one of the speakers. From that cite: > it blocks them from leading or actively participating in those events, publishing partisan political statements outside of a letter to the editor, I wonder how “letter to the editor” is currently interpreted. Would it include, say, comments on somebody else’s web page? comments only on the web pages of official news sites, and if so, who gets to be considered an official news site? only something officially categorized as a “letter to the editor”? – none of that, of course, would apply to remaining at a protest that has turned violent and actively illegally tresspassing. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2023, 2:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/4255 "2023-06-13T14:45:33Z")
> [@scudsucker](#): > > Not knowing anything about military law, I wonder if these gentlemen will get a dishonorable discharge? I don’t know much either, but I gather that a dishonorable discharge is reserved for more serious crimes (murder etc), and is given only after a military court martial. They’ll probably get “Other Than Honorable Discharge” (OTH) They probably won’t get a Bad Conduct Discharge (BCD) as this must be given via court martial as well. ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2023, 3:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/4256 "2023-06-13T15:04:39Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > They’ll probably get “Other Than Honorable Discharge” (OTH) They probably won’t get a Bad Conduct Discharge (BCD) as this must be given via court martial as well. Wonder if that takes away any military benefits. Pension, VA etc. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2023, 3:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/4257 "2023-06-13T15:33:42Z")
> [@enipla](#): > > Wonder if that takes away any military benefits. Pension, VA etc. I understand (from Wikipedia) that “Veterans with an OTH discharge and considered “Honorable for VA purposes” may still apply for the full enrollment in the VA.” ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2023, 5:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/4258 "2023-06-16T17:13:59Z")
> **[Opinion | As Trump is arraigned, Republicans honor the insurrectionists](https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2023/06/16/house-gop-trump-indictment-reaction-jan-6/?pwapi_token=eyJ0eXAiOiJKV1QiLCJhbGciOiJIUzI1NiJ9.eyJzdWJpZCI6IjYyMDc3NTgiLCJyZWFzb24iOiJnaWZ0IiwibmJmIjoxNjg2ODg4MDAwLCJpc3MiOiJzdWJzY3JpcHRpb25zIiwiZXhwIjoxNjg4MTgzOTk5LCJpYXQiOjE2ODY4ODgwMDAsImp0aSI6IjY5NDc5NDZiLWI3NzgtNDA3MS1iNDlmLTkyN2Y3YzdmOGUzNyIsInVybCI6Imh0dHBzOi8vd3d3Lndhc2hpbmd0b25wb3N0LmNvbS9vcGluaW9ucy8yMDIzLzA2LzE2L2hvdXNlLWdvcC10cnVtcC1pbmRpY3RtZW50LXJlYWN0aW9uLWphbi02LyJ9.sWZY02bbabZAuEgtWGC1u1xUuO7ULraFBX9QFxXlEBs&itid=gfta)** > > Donald Trump could not have asked for a nicer arraignment-day celebration. > … > During the very same hour in which the former president [surrendered to federal authorities](https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2023/06/13/trump-court-miami-indictment/?itid=lk_inline_manual_3) in Miami, his Republican allies in the House were, in their most visible and official way yet, **embracing as heroes and martyrs the people who sacked the Capitol** on Jan. 6, 2021, in hopes of overturning Trump’s election defeat. > > In the Capitol complex, Rep. Matt Gaetz (R-Fla.), with sidekick Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene (R-Ga.) and four other far-right lawmakers, held a “hearing” that **honored participants in the riot,** family members of Jan. 6 rioters and organizers of the attempted overthrow of the 2020 vote. > > [Technically](https://crsreports.congress.gov/product/pdf/RS/RS20928), Gaetz couldn’t call such a hearing, because he isn’t a committee chairman. But House Speaker Kevin McCarthy, who is trying to win back the support of extremists such as Gaetz, let it happen anyway. > … > > The invited witnesses? > > - The wife of Ronald McAbee, who is [awaiting trial](https://www.tennessean.com/story/news/2021/09/27/capitol-riot-video-shows-former-williamson-county-deputy-ronald-colton-mcabee/5886041001/) for [allegedly attacking](https://www.cnn.com/2021/08/20/politics/capitol-insurrection-sheriff-arrested-assault/index.html) a police officer and dragging him into the mob while wearing a black vest that said “SHERIFF.” > - [Underwear](https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2023/06/john-strand-international-underwear-model-and-insurrectionist-sentenced-to-32-months-in-prison/)model John Strand, [sentenced](https://www.justice.gov/usao-dc/pr/florida-man-found-guilty-felony-and-misdemeanor-charges-related-capitol-breach)to two years and eight months for being part of the mob that breached the Capitol on Jan. 6 and pushed past police officers. > - Activist Brandon Straka, [sentenced](https://www.npr.org/2022/08/04/1115531903/a-judge-unleased-a-tirade-on-a-prominent-jan-6-defendant-for-his-post-plea-comme)to home detention and probation and fined for his Jan. 6 actions. > - The aunt of Matthew Perna; Perna committed suicide while awaiting sentencing for his [role](https://www.justice.gov/usao-dc/pr/pennsylvania-man-pleads-guilty-felony-charge-obstructing-congress-during-jan-6-capitol)in breaching the Capitol. > - Ed Martin, an [organizer](https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/12/10/house-committee-subpoenas-six-individuals-linked-jan-6-rally-including-trump-backed-ohio-congressional-candidate/?itid=lk_inline_manual_18)of the “Stop the Steal” effort leading up to Jan. 6. > - And Jeffrey Clark, the Trump Justice Department official who [tried](https://www.politico.com/news/2023/06/08/federal-judge-trump-ally-jeffrey-clark-00101183)to get states to toss the election results. > … > > Gaetz opened the hearing with a video suggesting FBI culpability in the Jan. 6 attack. He claimed he “became aware of evidence” that the Justice Department had evidence of “fraud in the election” but Trump Attorney General “Bill Barr was suppressing evidence.” > > Gosar blamed the attack on “people undercover, whether it be antifa, FBI, **whatever**.” Norman suggested that the FBI was framing people who weren’t involved in the attack. > … My bold. Long, disturbing article. If you thought it was bad… well, it’s worse than that. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2023, 6:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/4259 "2023-06-16T18:56:30Z")
Each one of the Congress members supporting that hearing are enemies of this country. I don’t think that I am being in any way hyperbolic in saying so. This is like having a group in Congress honoring the 9/11 hijackers for their brave sacrifices. ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2023, 6:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/4260 "2023-06-16T18:59:23Z")
> [@Atamasama](#): > > This is like having a group in Congress honoring the 9/11 hijackers for their brave sacrifices. Even for these guys, It’s stunning and depressing. ---
**Author:** ![snowthx](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowthx/32/10660_2.png) [@snowthx](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snowthx)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2023, 7:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/4261 "2023-06-16T19:58:43Z")
They’re too stupid to attach any symbolism to what they did. It’s the “own the libs” endorphin rush all the way. It’s like crack to them and their idiot followers. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2023, 5:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/4262 "2023-06-17T05:30:07Z")
> [@Atamasama](#): > > This is like having a group in Congress honoring the 9/11 hijackers for their brave sacrifices. Don’t give MTG ideas. ‘Steel doesn’t just melt. 911 was a targeted energy weapon, jew space lasers.’ ~ Future MTG ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2023, 1:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/4263 "2023-06-17T13:29:16Z")
> [@crowmanyclouds](#): > > Don’t give MTG ideas. She already has ideas. > **[A glance at Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene's incendiary words](https://apnews.com/article/donald-trump-technology-las-vegas-mass-shooting-media-social-media-700f28747d856a9bad22a59674a9afe6)** > > WASHINGTON (AP) — Freshman Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene, a Georgia Republican, has been stripped of her committee assignments by the House Democratic majority over racist remarks, her embrace of conspiracy theories and her past endorsement of violence... > (JEWISH) SPACE LASERS > 9/11 ATTACKS ---
**Author:** ![Akaj](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/akaj/32/145_2.png) [@Akaj](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Akaj)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2023, 7:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/4264 "2023-06-19T19:19:11Z")
> [@Atamasama](#): > > Each one of the Congress members supporting that hearing are enemies of this country. I don’t think that I am being in any way hyperbolic in saying so. This is why, as elated as I am that Trump has finally been indicted for the documents case, I sincerely hope Mr. Smith has Jan. 6 indictments in the works. Not necessarily for Trump – although he certainly deserves them – but also for the co-conspirators in his administration and in Congress. They may not be traitors in the legal sense, but they have betrayed their country and deserve every penalty the law can apply. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2023, 7:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/4265 "2023-06-19T19:20:41Z")
I have been reading analysis that said that the pressure campaign on Mike Pence,was also illegal, and is worthy of being looked into by the special council. ---
**Author:** ![rocking\_chair](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rocking_chair/32/2918_2.png) [@rocking\_chair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rocking_chair)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2023, 8:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/4266 "2023-06-21T20:31:34Z")
[Daniel Rodriguez: Man who attacked officer Michael Fanone on January 6 sentenced to over 12 years in prison | CNN Politics](https://www.cnn.com/2023/06/21/politics/michael-fanone-daniel-rodriguez-january-6-sentenced/index.html) one of the longer sentences. from the article: As Rodriguez exited the courtroom Wednesday, he defiantly shouted that “Trump won!” repeating the same lie that ultimately culminated in the Capitol attack. During Wednesday’s sentencing, Judge Amy Berman Jackson called Rodriguez as a “one-man army” who, in the lead-up to January 6, called for “blood in the streets,” revolution, and violence against Donald Trump’s enemies in a Telegram group chat he created. Jackson, who called Rodriguez’s attack on Fanone a “horrific assault,” noted that while Rodriguez was trying to stop the peaceful transfer of power, Fanone “was protecting the very foundation of democracy.” “He was protecting America,” she said. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2023, 5:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/4267 "2023-06-23T17:40:46Z")
> **[Exclusive: Special counsel trades immunity for fake elector testimony as Jan...](https://www.cnn.com/2023/06/23/politics/special-counsel-fake-electors-immunity-testimony-jan-6/index.html)** > > Special counsel Jack Smith has compelled at least two Republican fake electors to testify to a federal grand jury in Washington in recent weeks by giving them limited immunity, part of a current push by federal prosecutors to swiftly nail down... ---
**Author:** ![Hypno-Toad](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/b2d939/32.png) [@Hypno-Toad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hypno-Toad)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2023, 7:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/4268 "2023-06-23T19:17:27Z")
Well, THAT’S interesting… ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2023, 10:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/4269 "2023-06-23T22:35:06Z")
So I gather the fake electors must now testify, and they can’t invoke the 5th, because Smith removed the possibility that they will incriminate themselves. And if they lie, they can be charged with perjury. And they are not sure what other evidence Smith has, so they dare not lie. And if they now refuse to testify, they can be charged with contempt and jailed. Perhaps it’s time for them to start talking about who was behind the fake electors scheme. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2023, 10:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/4270 "2023-06-23T22:37:28Z")
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