# 7 Jan 2021 and beyond - the aftermath of the storming of the Capitol **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [January 8, 2021, 10:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020 "2021-01-08T10:28:28Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 215
**Author:** ![Eric1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/3bc359/32.png) [@Eric1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eric1)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2023, 12:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/4291 "2023-06-24T12:31:18Z")
Thelma and Moriarty I can’t live with the view that the American Experiment is over. I share personal responsibility for how jacked-up our society gets and know our institutions could be better. However I look to my great uncle and aunt who were voters when FDR said in 1934 to a journalist that the New Deal had to succeed or else the country would dissolve. My relatives were telling me how residents had a vested interest in holding civilization together even when on tender hooks. They were a strange mix of being pissed at the system and yet refusing to bag the whole thing. I must ascribe to that simultaneous longsuffering and striving for the future. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2023, 1:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/4292 "2023-06-24T13:15:17Z")
> [@Eric1](#): > > on tender hooks [Tenterhooks](https://www.merriam-webster.com/words-at-play/on-tenterhooks-origin-meaning-phrase). 😉 ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2023, 1:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/4293 "2023-06-24T13:15:18Z")
See new thread. ---
**Author:** ![digs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/digs/32/14889_2.png) [@digs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/digs)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2023, 1:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/4294 "2023-06-24T13:27:01Z")
Which thread? I don’t see one…on what topic; I don’t see one that’d address Eric1’s post. ---
**Author:** ![susan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/susan/32/17537_2.png) [@susan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/susan)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2023, 1:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/4295 "2023-06-24T13:32:26Z")
> [@Discussion question: is The American Experiment a failure?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-question-is-the-american-experiment-a-failure/986036): > > Continuing the discussion from [7 Jan 2021 and beyond - the aftermath of the storming of the Capitol](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/4290): Continuing the discussion here. The crux of the matter, as I see it, is that the USA is a melting pot that never really melted. Since the beginning we have had populations emigrating from all over the world (not to mention the indigenous population that we stomped all over), and how do you create a unified society and government to manage so many different backgrounds of all kinds? To me the… ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2023, 1:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/4296 "2023-06-24T13:46:30Z")
The fake electors scheme is probably the craziest and most blatant political hack job attempt I’ve ever seen. How in the hell anyone was convinced to be a fake elector is just… just… there are no words. Like J6 it was an attempt to throw enough wrenches in the works to simply shut down the entire system and somehow allow DJT to remain in office. If it was forced to the House of Representatives it may have worked. I guess that was the goal. I have a bit of respect for Pence having the gumption to hang in there and certify the vote. Although it was mostly a ceremonial process. One mans arrogance. A stupid, stupid man brought this all about. ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2023, 2:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/4297 "2023-06-24T14:30:29Z")
> [@enipla](#): > > One mans arrogance. A stupid, stupid man brought this all about. No. Trump was the symptom, not the disease. ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2023, 3:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/4298 "2023-06-24T15:51:00Z")
> [@Northern\_Piper](#): > > No. Trump was the symptom, not the disease. But he kicked over the rocks, and brought about the disease. Yes, the disease was always there, but it’s good to have it in the light of day I think. ---
**Author:** ![TreacherousCretin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/treacherouscretin/32/476_2.png) [@TreacherousCretin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TreacherousCretin)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2023, 5:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/4299 "2023-06-24T17:35:01Z")
> [@Northern\_Piper](#): > > Trump was the symptom, not the disease. Absolutely. I’ve been saying this since before he was elected. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2023, 5:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/4300 "2023-06-24T17:36:40Z")
The country needs a big dose of anti-trump vaccine. But not everyone will take it… ---
**Author:** ![MulderMuffin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muldermuffin/32/2862_2.png) [@MulderMuffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MulderMuffin)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2023, 7:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/4301 "2023-06-24T19:43:46Z")
> [@enipla](#): > > The fake electors scheme is probably the craziest and most blatant political hack job attempt I’ve ever seen. They took something at least a _little_ feasible – preparing contingency elector documents _in case_ any of the lawsuits panned out, and turned it into blatant fraud by submitting them as if they were the original proper legal electors AFTER all of the court cases were over and lost (and this was the plan all along, no matter what feasible claims there were to contingencies). I think one state did use the “contingency” if/ then language. ---
**Author:** ![rocking\_chair](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rocking_chair/32/2918_2.png) [@rocking\_chair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rocking_chair)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2023, 7:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/4302 "2023-06-24T19:46:26Z")
Pennsylvania did that. It did save them from prosecution in pa. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2023, 5:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/4303 "2023-06-25T05:21:07Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > The country needs a big dose of anti-trump vaccine. But not everyone will take it… Maybe they could introduce some into the water supply, like fluoride. ---
**Author:** ![Son\_of\_a\_Rich](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/son_of_a_rich/32/5439_2.png) [@Son\_of\_a\_Rich](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Son_of_a_Rich)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2023, 1:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/4304 "2023-06-25T13:05:32Z")
Nevermind 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2023, 2:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/4305 "2023-06-26T02:35:03Z")
Or in the next round of Covid vaccine boosters. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2023, 12:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/4306 "2023-06-26T12:41:10Z")
> [@Aspenglow](#): > > Credit for Jack Smith goes to Merrick Garland. And credit for Merrick Garland ultimately goes to [Mitch McConnell.](https://www.azcentral.com/story/opinion/op-ed/greg-moore/2022/08/10/merrick-garland-trump-fbi-raid-created-conservatives/10288194002/) ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2023, 2:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/4307 "2023-06-27T02:05:54Z")
[Five or six Secret Service have testified in front of the Jan 6th grand jury.](https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna91182) That in itself is unprecedented, I think. ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2023, 7:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/4308 "2023-06-27T19:43:23Z")
A guilty plea from one of the more gleeful insurrectionists. > **[Florida Woman Pleads Guilty to Felony Charge For Actions During Jan. 6...](https://www.justice.gov/usao-dc/pr/florida-woman-pleads-guilty-felony-charge-actions-during-jan-6-capitol-breach)** ---
**Author:** ![Peter\_Morris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/peter_morris/32/359_2.png) [@Peter\_Morris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Peter_Morris)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2023, 6:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/4309 "2023-06-28T18:16:11Z")
> **[Convicted Jan 6 rioter tells Trump to stop misusing her story](https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/crime/pam-hemphill-trump-capitol-riot-b2364559.html)** > > Prosecutors said the grandmother exaggerated an injury to distract officers while encouraging other rioters to enter the Capitol Hemphill responded to Mr Trump’s comments on Twitter, calling for him to stop using her story to boost his agenda. “Please @realDonaldTrump don’t be using me for anything, I’m not a victim of Jan6, I pleaded guilty because I was guilty! #StopTheSpin,” she wrote on the platform. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2023, 6:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/4310 "2023-06-28T18:27:03Z")
Good on her. Hope she agrees to appear in an anti-Trump ad at some point in the 2024 campaign cycle. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020.md?page=214) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020.md?page=216)