# 7 Jan 2021 and beyond - the aftermath of the storming of the Capitol **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [January 8, 2021, 10:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020 "2021-01-08T10:28:28Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 216
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2023, 6:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/4311 "2023-06-28T18:49:00Z")
I believe this is a non-paywalled version. > **[Convicted Jan. 6 Rioter Tells Trump: Stop 'Using' Me](https://www.huffpost.com/entry/jan-6-rioter-maga-granny-donald-trump_n_649abf45e4b0ccfd6dbeb625/amp)** > > Pamela Hemphill, a 70-year-old "ex-MAGA Granny" who served jail time for her role in the Capitol riot, went viral for her retort to the former president. ---
**Author:** ![Peter\_Morris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/peter_morris/32/359_2.png) [@Peter\_Morris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Peter_Morris)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2023, 7:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/4312 "2023-06-28T19:19:13Z")
Is the link I posted paywalled? I accessed it just fine, without a subscription. Anyone else have trouble? ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2023, 7:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/4313 "2023-06-28T19:44:06Z")
> [@Peter\_Morris](#): > > Is the link I posted paywalled? The first time I accessed it, it said I had to subscribe to keep reading past the first paragraph. I just checked it again and it’s not doing that anymore. Weird! I posted another article just in case. It’s a great story. ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2023, 12:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/4314 "2023-06-29T00:00:30Z")
[Rudy Giuliani was recently interviewed by the DOJ in connection with Jan 6th.](https://Giuliani) It was totally voluntary. Nothing to see here! ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2023, 12:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/4315 "2023-06-29T00:02:52Z")
> [@Love\_Rhombus](#): > > Nothing to see here! I guess that’s true, since the web site [https://giuliani/](https://giuliani/) doesn’t get you anywhere. 😆 ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2023, 12:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/4316 "2023-06-29T00:06:25Z")
I need to stop multi-tasking and just single-task! 🫢[Trump lawyer Rudy Giuliani interviewed in Jan. 6 investigation | AP News](https://apnews.com/article/trump-giuliani-jan-6-justice-department-324e9537d58c0248806739d43b198d91) ---
**Author:** ![PhillyGuy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ed655f/32.png) [@PhillyGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PhillyGuy)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2023, 12:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/4317 "2023-06-29T00:50:11Z")
> [@Atamasama](#): > > It’s a great story. Not sure how this a crime, what with the first amendment: > [@](#): > > She pleaded guilty to parading, demonstrating or picketing in a Capitol building. Of course, it’s a plea bargain, so she can’t appeal. Here is the law that makes it a crime to, as I read it, peacefully and silently picket within any “Capitol building”: > **[§ 10–503.16. Unlawful conduct. | D.C. Law Library](https://code.dccouncil.gov/us/dc/council/code/sections/10-503.16)** ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2023, 2:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/4318 "2023-06-29T02:50:17Z")
> [@PhillyGuy](#): > > Here is the law that makes it a crime to, as I read it, peacefully and silently picket within any “Capitol building”: That was what I gathered, if she did that outside she would have been fine. She wasn’t supposed to be in there. ---
**Author:** ![tofor](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tofor/32/13727_2.png) [@tofor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tofor)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2023, 11:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/4319 "2023-06-29T11:34:54Z")
> [@PhillyGuy](#): > > Not sure how this a crime, what with the first amendment: > > > [@](#): > > > > She pleaded guilty to parading, demonstrating or picketing in a Capitol building. The formula is “Time, Place and Manner” restrictions are ok within reason. You can’t carve your political manifesto into the Washington Monument with a chisel and claim 1st amendment protection when you get arrested for vandalism. > [@Atamasama](#): > > That was what I gathered, if she did that outside she would have been fine. She wasn’t supposed to be in there. Basically this. ---
**Author:** ![PhillyGuy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ed655f/32.png) [@PhillyGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PhillyGuy)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2023, 1:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/4320 "2023-06-29T13:12:37Z")
> [@Atamasama](#): > > That was what I gathered, if she did that outside she would have been fine. Yes, because they used prosecutorial discretion to not enforce the law against those January 6 marchers who stayed outside the building: [Here is that law](https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/40/5104): > [@](#): > > Except as provided in [section 5106 of this title](https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/40/5106), a person may not— > > (1) > > parade, stand, or move in processions or assemblages in the Grounds; or > > (2) > > display in the Grounds a flag, banner, or device designed or adapted to bring into public notice a party, organization, or movement. If you look at section 5106, you’ll see that the exception still does not allow first amendment activity on the grounds: > [@](#): > > To allow the observance in the United States Capitol Grounds of occasions of national interest becoming the cognizance and entertainment of Congress, the President of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives concurrently may suspend any of the prohibitions contained in sections 5103 and 5104 . . . ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2023, 5:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/4321 "2023-06-29T17:28:56Z")
> [@Darren\_Garrison](#): > > A guilty plea from one of the more gleeful insurrectionists. It’s all fun and games 'til the cell door slams shut. ---
**Author:** ![TroutMan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/troutman/32/6721_2.png) [@TroutMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TroutMan)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2023, 7:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/4322 "2023-06-29T19:53:16Z")
> [@Love\_Rhombus](#): > > [Trump lawyer Rudy Giuliani interviewed in Jan. 6 investigation | AP News](https://apnews.com/article/trump-giuliani-jan-6-justice-department-324e9537d58c0248806739d43b198d91) Some more thoughts on this interview from a former NY defense attorney. This is usually the final step before a plea bargain, and indicates several hurdles have already been crossed. But with a lot of remaining questions. > Will it culminate in what is the last step of the process—a formal plea deal? If so, what would the deal be, and who would he be providing evidence against? Would the incriminating testimony cover only Jan. 6, or would it impact other potential crimes as well? Given that making a deal with federal prosecutors while ignoring Giuliani’s potential exposure in parallel events under investigation in Georgia would be malpractice, how, if at all, will a deal with DOJ also relate to Georgia? If Georgia is included, would Rudy also be a witness in that matter? > **[Does Rudy Giuliani’s “Proffer” Mean He’s About to Flip Against Trump?](https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2023/06/did-rudy-giuliani-flip-against-trump-proffer.html)** > > Proffer sessions involving a prospective defendant do not occur out of the blue. ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2023, 9:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/4323 "2023-06-29T21:12:53Z")
Very interesting! Thank you! ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2023, 5:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/4324 "2023-07-08T05:09:52Z")
Initial report of DC Bar recommends that Guiliani be disbarred, based on his attempts to overturn the 2020 election without any evidence. Now goes to the Bar’s Board of Professional Responsibility, and ultimately to the DC Court of Appeals. The report says: > [@](#): > > “The right to vote is the ‘essence of a democratic society.’ Respondent’s frivolous lawsuit attempted unjustifiably and without precedent to disenfranchise hundreds of thousands of Pennsylvania voters, and ultimately sought to undermine the results of the 2020 presidential election. He claimed massive election fraud but had no evidence of it,” the committee wrote in its report. > > “By prosecuting that destructive case Mr. Giuliani, a sworn officer of the Court, forfeited his right to practice law. He should be disbarred.” [https://thehill.com/regulation/court-battles/4085678-dc-bar-panel-recommends-giuliani-be-disbarred/?email=066c0990fa413d52c3842f29a42abb22ffa00eae&emaila=02c3337a6605235631b8cab2e023d54e&emailb=e0d37ab6f97ed06914f0e75a1ebed673001a81f7f84978ff9209f3e23f7ba5d3&utm\_source=Sailthru&utm\_medium=email&utm\_campaign=07.07.23%20JB%20Giuliani](https://thehill.com/regulation/court-battles/4085678-dc-bar-panel-recommends-giuliani-be-disbarred/?email=066c0990fa413d52c3842f29a42abb22ffa00eae&emaila=02c3337a6605235631b8cab2e023d54e&emailb=e0d37ab6f97ed06914f0e75a1ebed673001a81f7f84978ff9209f3e23f7ba5d3&utm_source=Sailthru&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=07.07.23%20JB%20Giuliani) ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2023, 5:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/4325 "2023-07-08T05:12:18Z")
And in other news, Lin Wood has resigned in the face of discipline: > **[Attorney who challenged Trump's 2020 loss gives up law licence as states...](https://www.ctvnews.ca/world/attorney-who-challenged-trump-s-2020-loss-gives-up-law-licence-as-states-weigh-disciplining-him-1.6467928)** > > Attorney Lin Wood, who filed legal challenges seeking to overturn Donald Trump's 2020 election loss, is relinquishing his law licence, electing to retire from practising rather than face possible disbarment. ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2023, 5:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/4326 "2023-07-08T05:13:07Z")
And in still other news, John Eastman is facing disbarment: > **[He devised a fringe legal theory to try to keep Trump in power. Now he’s on...](https://www.politico.com/news/2023/06/11/john-eastman-disbarment-trial-trump-00101407)** > > The trial of John Eastman may feature testimony from key participants in Jan. 6 who have rarely spoken publicly. ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2023, 5:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/4327 "2023-07-08T05:14:20Z")
In summary, “everything Trump touches, dies.” You listening, Walt? ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2023, 5:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/4328 "2023-07-08T05:20:50Z")
I am very glad to see these corrupt lawyers finally suffering consequences for the egregious harm they’ve done to this country. This and much more to come, I hope. All the way to the top. ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2023, 5:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/4329 "2023-07-08T05:21:52Z")
Where’s the Kraken? Where is she in all this?!? ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2023, 5:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/4330 "2023-07-08T05:23:19Z")
I keep hearing her name brought up, but no consequences I’ve heard about as yet. I’m sure it’s coming. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020.md?page=215) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020.md?page=217)