# 7 Jan 2021 and beyond - the aftermath of the storming of the Capitol **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [January 8, 2021, 10:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020 "2021-01-08T10:28:28Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 219
**Author:** ![squeegee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/squeegee/32/14537_2.png) [@squeegee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/squeegee)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2023, 1:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/4371 "2023-07-11T01:10:16Z")
> [@Aspenglow](#): > > Rudy isn’t exactly fighting off clients demanding his services with a stick Tru dat. I can see the initial meeting and Rudy having 4 scotches in those 30 minutes. ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2023, 1:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/4372 "2023-07-11T01:21:41Z")
> [@squeegee](#): > > Yeah, I don’t know. He’s still a member of the NY bar so ¯\_(ツ)\_/¯ A _suspended_ member, pending discipline proceedings. [DC Bar Association Committee recommends former Trump attorney Rudy Giuliani be barred from practicing law - JURIST - News](https://www.jurist.org/news/2023/07/dc-bar-association-committee-recommends-former-trump-attorney-rudy-giuliani-be-barred-from-practicing-law/#:~:text=Giuliani%20has%20since%20been%20temporarily,filed%20by%20Georgia%20poll%20workers). > [@](#): > > The current DC investigations into Giuliani’s alleged misconduct were [initiated](https://www.jurist.org/news/2022/06/dc-bar-files-ethics-charges-against-trump-lawyer-over-2020-election-fraud-claims/) in 2022. However, [calls](https://www.jurist.org/news/2020/12/over-1500-attorneys-call-on-bar-associations-to-investigate-trumps-legal-team/)for Giuliani’s disbarment have been ongoing since the results of the 2020 presidential election were announced. Giuliani has since been temporarily suspended from both the New York and DC Bar associations. ---
**Author:** ![Folly](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/folly/32/3219_2.png) [@Folly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Folly)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2023, 3:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/4373 "2023-07-11T03:19:08Z")
Reciprocity just means you may not have to take the bar exam again. You still have to apply for a license in that state with whatever long list of requirements you need to be able to show. And I would assume they ask about whether you are in good standing with the bar in your current state and whether you are undergoing any disciplinary actions at the present time. ---
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2023, 3:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/4374 "2023-07-11T03:33:09Z")
> [@Aspenglow](#): > > In any case, my guess is Rudy isn’t exactly fighting off clients demanding his services with a stick. I wouldn’t want Rudy servicing me with a stick, that’s for sure. ---
**Author:** ![Railer13](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/railer13/32/9742_2.png) [@Railer13](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Railer13)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2023, 12:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/4375 "2023-07-11T12:21:21Z")
> [@Aspenglow](#): > > my guess is Rudy isn’t exactly fighting off clients demanding his services with a stick. It’s actually a shovel, borrowed from Four Seasons Landscaping. ---
**Author:** ![digs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/digs/32/14889_2.png) [@digs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/digs)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2023, 1:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/4376 "2023-07-11T13:52:56Z")
> [@squeegee](#): > > I can see the initial meeting and Rudy having 4 scotches in those 30 minutes. Billed to the client. ---
**Author:** ![dtilque](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/d6d6ee/32.png) [@dtilque](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dtilque)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2023, 7:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/4377 "2023-07-13T19:01:59Z")
Opinion piece from WaPO (gift link) about how Jack Smith will probably bring three charges against Trump before Georgia does: > **[Opinion | Buckle up: The federal Jan. 6 indictment might be around the corner](https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2023/07/13/jan-6-indictment-trump-prosecution-memo/?pwapi_token=eyJ0eXAiOiJKV1QiLCJhbGciOiJIUzI1NiJ9.eyJzdWJpZCI6IjMxMTQ0NDA1IiwicmVhc29uIjoiZ2lmdCIsIm5iZiI6MTY4OTIyMDgwMCwiaXNzIjoic3Vic2NyaXB0aW9ucyIsImV4cCI6MTY5MDUxNjc5OSwiaWF0IjoxNjg5MjIwODAwLCJqdGkiOiJmOTBiMzc1NC1hMTUzLTQ1MjYtYjVjNS1kMGZiYmNlMmM2ZTkiLCJ1cmwiOiJodHRwczovL3d3dy53YXNoaW5ndG9ucG9zdC5jb20vb3BpbmlvbnMvMjAyMy8wNy8xMy9qYW4tNi1pbmRpY3RtZW50LXRydW1wLXByb3NlY3V0aW9uLW1lbW8vIn0.UZYMM_3Y2dgSS_PiA5atuDhNNWl5CjCUJVrWL1sHusU&itid=gfta)** > > We are finally getting to the attempted coup. ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2023, 8:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/4378 "2023-07-13T20:59:25Z")
Thank you for the gift link. Andrew Weissman, Mueller’s lead prosecutor in the Paul Manafort case, is a friend of Jack Smith’s. He threaded (?) yesterday that he had heard “low rumblings” that the election-stealing plot indictments would fall very soon. ---
**Author:** ![dougrb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/76d3ee/32.png) [@dougrb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dougrb)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2023, 11:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/4379 "2023-07-13T23:07:43Z")
I’m thinking the prosecutors feel like I do at a smorgasbord. “How do I choose?” ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2023, 1:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/4380 "2023-07-14T01:17:02Z")
Don’t choose - pig out, Jack! ---
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2023, 1:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/4381 "2023-07-14T01:48:39Z")
He’s gonna need a bigger plate. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2023, 8:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/4382 "2023-07-14T20:52:22Z")
This is for pending state charges, but I think it fits here because it’s about Trump’s actions after losing the election. [https://www.cnn.com/2023/07/14/politics/donald-trump-fani-willis-georgia-grand-jury/index.html](https://www.cnn.com/2023/07/14/politics/donald-trump-fani-willis-georgia-grand-jury/index.html) > Donald Trump is [seeking a new court order](https://www.fultonclerk.org/DocumentCenter/View/2046/2023CV382670) to essentially neutralize the Fulton County investigation into the former president’s conduct after he lost the 2020 election, as potential indictments loom in Georgia… > > Trump’s lawyers argued that these special grand juries are themselves unconstitutional. > > “A regular Fulton County grand jury could return an indictment any day that will have been based on a report and predicate investigative process that were wholly without authority,” Trump’s lawyers argued in their filing. In other words, ‘All that evidence makes our client look guilty. Therefore it must be thrown out because special grand juries are unconstitutional.’ > “It is one thing to indict a ham sandwich. To indict the mustard-stained napkin that it once sat on is quite another,” the lawyers wrote. What is the Trumpst obsession with ham sandwiches? What did ham sandwiches ever do to them? Seriously, I keep seeing Team Trump referring to them. ---
**Author:** ![carrps](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carrps/32/2957_2.png) [@carrps](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carrps)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2023, 8:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/4383 "2023-07-14T20:56:32Z")
If you really are serious, it’s not a Trump ham sandwich obsession; it’s a Grand Jury ham sandwich obsession. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2023, 9:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/4384 "2023-07-14T21:03:15Z")
> [@Johnny\_L.A](#): > > What is the Trumpst obsession with ham sandwiches? What did ham sandwiches ever do to them? Seriously, I keep seeing Team Trump referring to them. That’s a reference to a common legal adage, [“A DA could get a grand jury to indict a ham sandwich.”](https://qz.com/303017/the-bizarre-tale-of-the-indict-a-ham-sandwich-judge-who-became-a-felon#:~:text=%E2%80%9CHam%20sandwich%E2%80%9D%20has%20become%20shorthand,to%20prosecute%20for%20personal%20reasons.) The implication being that grand juries just do whatever the DA tells them to. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2023, 9:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/4385 "2023-07-14T21:17:23Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > That’s a reference to a common legal adage, [“A DA could get a grand jury to indict a ham sandwich.”](https://qz.com/303017/the-bizarre-tale-of-the-indict-a-ham-sandwich-judge-who-became-a-felon#:~:text=%E2%80%9CHam%20sandwich%E2%80%9D%20has%20become%20shorthand,to%20prosecute%20for%20personal%20reasons.) Ah. I thought this was something Team Trump/Republicans came up with. I had no idea it was coined by a judge back in 1985. (And I’ve never seen _Bonfire Of The Vanities_.) And I see that the ‘ham sandwich’ line is specifically used to impugn grand juries. Thanks. ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2023, 10:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/4386 "2023-07-14T22:29:19Z")
> [@](#): > > “It is one thing to indict a ham sandwich. To indict the mustard-stained napkin that it once sat on is quite another,” the lawyers wrote. Yes, but what about the ketchup-splattered walls of the dining room? Can they indict _them_? ---
**Author:** ![Peter\_Morris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/peter_morris/32/359_2.png) [@Peter\_Morris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Peter_Morris)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2023, 4:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/4387 "2023-07-15T04:54:46Z")
So Trump would be the mustard-stained napkin in this analogy? ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2023, 5:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/4388 "2023-07-15T05:03:26Z")
Yellow mustard. Because Trump isn’t an elitist like that Dijon loving Obama. In a solid gold mustard pot with a platinum mustard spoon like everyone uses. Because Trump isn’t an elitist. ---
**Author:** ![CurtC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ce73a5/32.png) [@CurtC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CurtC)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2023, 5:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/4389 "2023-07-15T05:21:55Z")
> [@Johnny\_L.A](#): > > I had no idea it was coined by a judge back in 1985. (And I’ve never seen _Bonfire Of The Vanities_.) Don’t - the movie was complete crap. Brian DePalma IIRC. The book on the other hand was very good. ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2023, 5:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/4390 "2023-07-15T05:50:34Z")
> [@Peter\_Morris](#): > > So Trump would be the mustard-stained napkin in this analogy? Did you mean to misspell ass-wipe? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020.md?page=218) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020.md?page=220)