# 7 Jan 2021 and beyond - the aftermath of the storming of the Capitol **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [January 8, 2021, 10:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020 "2021-01-08T10:28:28Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 220
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2023, 9:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/4391 "2023-07-15T09:31:26Z")
> [@CurtC](#): > > Don’t - the movie was complete crap. Brian DePalma IIRC. The book on the other hand was very good. There’s also a book about the making of the movie, which explains some of what went wrong. ---
**Author:** ![carrps](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carrps/32/2957_2.png) [@carrps](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carrps)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2023, 4:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/4392 "2023-07-15T16:26:40Z")
_The Devil’s Candy_? Or was it a different one? ---
**Author:** ![Railer13](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/railer13/32/9742_2.png) [@Railer13](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Railer13)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2023, 6:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/4393 "2023-07-15T18:46:42Z")
> [@carrps](#): > > _The Devil’s Candy_? Yep. > **[The Devil's Candy: The Bonfire of... by Salamon, Julie](https://www.amazon.com/Devils-Candy-Bonfire-Vanities-Hollywood/dp/0395569966)** > > The Devil's Candy: The Bonfire of the Vanities Goes to Hollywood \[Salamon, Julie\] on Amazon.com. \*FREE\* shipping on qualifying offers. The Devil's Candy: The Bonfire of the Vanities Goes to Hollywood ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2023, 6:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/4394 "2023-07-15T18:54:18Z")
Moderating: Ok. Enough hijacking about the origination of the “ham sandwich” comment and all the discussion that followed. Head over to Cafe Society for those discussions, please. ---
**Author:** ![Peter\_Morris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/peter_morris/32/359_2.png) [@Peter\_Morris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Peter_Morris)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2023, 7:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/4395 "2023-07-15T19:03:51Z")
Clarification, please. Are we allowed to discuss what “mustard-stained napkin” even means? Because, joking apart, I’d actually like to know. ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2023, 7:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/4396 "2023-07-15T19:06:35Z")
Speak about it all you wish in another forum and another thread. You can even link back to the thread that inspired your curiosity. ---
**Author:** ![Peter\_Morris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/peter_morris/32/359_2.png) [@Peter\_Morris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Peter_Morris)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2023, 8:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/4397 "2023-07-15T20:09:26Z")
[Okay, done.](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-georgia-case-and-the-mustard-stained-napkin/987080) ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2023, 8:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/4398 "2023-07-15T20:09:54Z")
Thank you. ---
**Author:** ![scabpicker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/scabpicker/32/8268_2.png) [@scabpicker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/scabpicker)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2023, 3:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/4399 "2023-07-16T03:55:55Z")
Heh, the Qanon Shaman is actually trying to withdraw his guilty plea, which would expose him to another trial. > **[The 'QAnon Shaman' and other Capitol rioters who regret pleading guilty](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-66169914)** > > Taking back their remorse could land defendants with stiffer sentences. > [@](#): > > Legally, rioters who try to take back a guilty plea are getting into potentially risky territory, said Mr Gross. It’s rare for courts to allow someone to do that, and when they do, they run the risk of facing a new trial - something that federal prosecutors have underlined in their response to Angeli’s case. Yeah, and people who have tried to fight their 1/6 charges had done so much better in terms of prison time, huh? ---
**Author:** ![Odesio](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/odesio/32/20003_2.png) [@Odesio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Odesio)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2023, 4:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/4400 "2023-07-16T04:37:54Z")
> [@scabpicker](#): > > Heh, the Qanon Shaman is actually trying to withdraw his guilty plea, which would expose him to another trial. I didn’t know you could withdraw a guilty plea once you’ve been sentenced let alone once you’ve served that sentence. I think the QAnon Shaman made his choice and he’s just going to have to live with it. No regerts, my friend. ---
**Author:** ![scabpicker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/scabpicker/32/8268_2.png) [@scabpicker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/scabpicker)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2023, 4:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/4401 "2023-07-16T04:50:53Z")
> [@Odesio](#): > > I think the QAnon Shaman made his choice and he’s just going to have to live with it. No regerts, my friend. Well, as the article says, it’s really rare. It normally would be due to something such as inadequate legal counsel if it happened at all. However, this fool seems to be a determined fool. It seems especially stupid considering he has already served his sentence, and could be sentenced to further time if he is exposed to a new trial. ---
**Author:** ![DavidNRockies](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidnrockies/32/6279_2.png) [@DavidNRockies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidNRockies)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2023, 8:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/4402 "2023-07-18T20:23:40Z")
Not sure where this lives, but … > **[Michigan attorney general charges fake Trump electors over alleged 2020...](https://www.cnbc.com/2023/07/18/fake-trump-electors-charged-with-michigan-election-crimes.html)** > > Donald Trump is also under criminal investigation by special counsel Jack Smith over efforts to overturn his loss to President Joe Biden. > [@](#): > > Michigan’s attorney general on Tuesday criminally charged 16 so-called “fake electors” for former President Donald Trump, accusing them of a fraudulent effort to reverse President Joe Biden’s victory in the state’s 2020 election. > > The 16 people each face eight charges, including election law forgery, uttering and publishing and conspiracy, state Attorney General Dana Nessel said in a video announcement. > > Nessel called the alleged plan “an effort to undermine democracy.” Several of the accused are active in Republican politics. ---
**Author:** ![rocking\_chair](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rocking_chair/32/2918_2.png) [@rocking\_chair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rocking_chair)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2023, 8:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/4403 "2023-07-18T20:33:46Z")
i was going to post that. things are really moving now. After a magistrate in Ingham County, Mich., signed off on the charges Tuesday, Nessel released a video explaining her action. The 16 defendants and/or their attorneys were then notified and defendants given a week to turn themselves in or face arrest. She had previously attempted to [refer the Michigan electors’ case to the Justice Department](https://apnews.com/article/joe-biden-michigan-elections-electoral-college-criminal-investigations-8a0454f0a28fd3f5903fa3ab962f764b), but in the absence of federal action, she proceeded on her own. Nessel did not coordinate with either Smith or other state attorneys general before filing her case. Her closely guarded move might have taken Smith by surprise. it appears that ms nessel is keeping the charges just to the electors and michigan. she is not going for rico just keeping it at specific counts that are regularly prosecuted in state law. as to where it should go… these charges do go to the issues of jan 6th… although they could be a different thread as it was more election interference than attacking congress. ---
**Author:** ![DavidNRockies](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidnrockies/32/6279_2.png) [@DavidNRockies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidNRockies)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2023, 8:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/4404 "2023-07-18T20:51:22Z")
> [@rocking\_chair](#): > > these charges do go to the issues of jan 6th… although they could be a different thread as it was more election interference than attacking congress. I tend to err to the side of conflating the 6th with the entire “alternate slate of electors” scheme. Trump supporters – writ large – seem to be either: - in powerful denial about the electors piece or - are genuinely unaware of its existence and how the 1/6 actions were hoped to be “nothing more than” the scheme’s _denouement._ But I’d defer to the moderators if they feel strongly one way or the other. ---
**Author:** ![rocking\_chair](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rocking_chair/32/2918_2.png) [@rocking\_chair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rocking_chair)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2023, 8:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/4405 "2023-07-18T20:54:25Z")
i agree, as the “alternate slate” was to be used during the jan 6th meeting of congress. wisconsin tried to get them into pence’s hands that day. all connected. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2023, 8:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/4406 "2023-07-18T20:56:26Z")
> [@rocking\_chair](#): > > these charges do go to the issues of jan 6th… although they could be a different thread as it was more election interference than attacking congress. It’s all the same, though. Attacking Congress _was_ election interference, since they were attacking it specifically to stop the certification of the electoral votes. Ther was even a guy who was trying to interfere with the election _on the day of the election_, and then later participated in the riot: > **[Man charged with election interference tied to Capitol riot](https://apnews.com/article/capitol-siege-biden-arrests-riots-presidential-elections-47a73c5bf35f40892fdc3574bc5e549f)** > > A Virginia man who is facing trial on charges that he drove a Hummer packed with guns to Philadelphia to interfere with the 2020 presidential election has been arrested in a separate case that alleges his involvement in the Jan. 6 insurrection at the... > [@rocking\_chair](#): > > i agree, as the “alternate slate” was to be used during the jan 6th meeting of congress. wisconsin tried to get them into pence’s hands that day. Exactly, they were all the same effort, explicitly so. ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2023, 9:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/4407 "2023-07-18T21:12:32Z")
> **[Supreme Court could upend hundreds of Capitol riot cases](https://www.newsweek.com/supreme-court-could-upend-hundreds-capitol-riot-cases-1812836)** > > A January 6 Capitol rioter who is awaiting sentencing is asking the justices to stop the DOJ from trying to "chill political speech" before the 2024 election. From that article: > Edward Lang, who was arrested and charged for his role in the riot after he posted photos and videos on social media placing him at the Capitol that day, filed a petition with the Court on Friday. He is asking the justices to hear his appeal of one of the 11 charges he was indicted on: obstruction of an official proceeding. ---
**Author:** ![Dinsdale](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/97f17d/32.png) [@Dinsdale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dinsdale)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2023, 9:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/4408 "2023-07-18T21:31:05Z")
Boy, if those fuckers take up that challenge, they will have sunk to a new low (hard as that might be to imagine!). Fuckers won’t allow cameras into their chambers, but are fine with rioters crashing into Congress… ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2023, 10:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/4409 "2023-07-18T22:16:30Z")
> [@Dinsdale](#): > > Boy, if those fuckers take up that challenge, they will have sunk to a new low (hard as that might be to imagine!) There article leaves a lot of questions. What’s the procedural device to “petition” the Supreme Court to take a case before it even goes through normal appeals? What would the government have to prove if “corrupt” _was_ an element of the crime? > The statute that Lang’s legal team is arguing has been too broadly applied in his case comes from a federal law that states an individual who “corruptly alters, destroys, mutilates, or conceals a record, document” or “otherwise obstructs, influences, or impedes any official proceeding, or attempts to do so” can be imprisoned for up to 20 years. And then there’s this from crazytown: > It went on: “Our political life for centuries has been fractious, with violence all too frequent. Seeking to punish and silence dissent in the name of democracy is the twisted dream of a slumbering tyrant.” So, the insurrection was just “dissent.” ---
**Author:** ![susan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/susan/32/17537_2.png) [@susan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/susan)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2023, 10:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/4410 "2023-07-18T22:34:26Z")
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