# 7 Jan 2021 and beyond - the aftermath of the storming of the Capitol **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [January 8, 2021, 10:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020 "2021-01-08T10:28:28Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 223
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2023, 1:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/4451 "2023-07-25T13:32:37Z")
Another one bites the dust: [the man who struck a Capitol police officer with a flag has been sentenced to 52 months.](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-66301561) Apparently he’s “humbled, contrite, and extraordinarily remorseful for his actions”. Too late for that, chum. It should have been a longer sentence. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2023, 4:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/4452 "2023-07-25T16:00:13Z")
> [@PhillyGuy](#): > > However, that can’t explain why so many voters associate Biden and inflation. In Canada, worldwide inflation is entirely Trudeau’s fault. The right wing press tells me so. ---
**Author:** ![Tamerlane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tamerlane/32/7602_2.png) [@Tamerlane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tamerlane)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2023, 4:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/4453 "2023-07-25T16:48:04Z")
> [@Love\_Rhombus](#): > > Apparently he’s “humbled, contrite, and extraordinarily remorseful for his actions”. Too late for that, chum. It should have been a longer sentence. Saying you’re “humbled, contrite and extraordinarily remorseful” is very likely a major reason he got 4 years and 4 months rather than 6 years and 6 months. It pays to play the game, sincere or not. ---
**Author:** ![snowthx](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowthx/32/10660_2.png) [@snowthx](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snowthx)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2023, 5:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/4454 "2023-07-25T17:13:17Z")
> [@Love\_Rhombus](#): > > Apparently he’s “humbled, contrite, and extraordinarily remorseful for his actions”. Hah! Right. Only after getting caught, tried, and sentenced. Moron. ---
**Author:** ![Capn\_Carl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/838e76/32.png) [@Capn\_Carl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Capn_Carl)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2023, 7:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/4455 "2023-07-27T07:45:57Z")
Except he didn’t say any of that. It’s just his lawyer’s claim. ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2023, 5:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/4456 "2023-07-27T17:39:01Z")
His lawyer is speaking on his behalf. If the lawyer is not accurately representing his client’s statements during sentencing, that is misconduct. ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2023, 5:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/4457 "2023-07-27T17:40:54Z")
Ryan Kelley, who ran for the GOP Governor nomination in Michigan in 2022, has pled guilty to a misdemeanour charge of improperly entering the Capitol grounds on January 6. > **[Former GOP gubernatorial candidate Ryan Kelley pleads guilty to Jan. 6 crime](https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/justice-department/former-gop-gubernatorial-candidate-ryan-kelley-pleads-guilty-jan-6-cri-rcna96576?taid=64c291d184f2a80001e74b29&utm_campaign=trueanthem&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter)** > > Kelley ran for governor in Michigan last year but lost in the Republican primary. ---
**Author:** ![rocking\_chair](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rocking_chair/32/2918_2.png) [@rocking\_chair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rocking_chair)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2023, 1:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/4458 "2023-08-11T01:30:18Z")
> **[Michigan's fake GOP electors arraigned on state charges | CNN Politics](https://www.cnn.com/2023/08/10/politics/michigan-fake-elector-arraignments/index.html)** > > The 16 Michigan Republicans who served as fake electors in 2020 have pleaded not guilty to the first-of-their-kind felony charges stemming from the Trump-backed election subversion plot. The arraignments are wrapping up, next court date on the 18th. Some of them seemed really surprised that there are consequences to forging elector certifications. ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2023, 3:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/4459 "2023-08-15T15:36:43Z")
> [@Northern\_Piper](#): > > His lawyer is speaking on his behalf. If the lawyer is not accurately representing his client’s statements during sentencing, that is misconduct. Seems an easy enough system to game. I am in your office and say: “Northern\_Piper, I am humbled, contrite and extraordinarily remorseful about these events. _\<\< wink, wink, nudge, nudge\>\>_” Assume at all other times with you I have done nothing but express my disdain for those events. Now you can relay to the court my remorse and not get in trouble because I literally said that to you? ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2023, 11:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/4460 "2023-08-15T23:44:15Z")
Cross post (at a mod’s behest) It’s all over folks: > **[Trump Announces Plans to Finally Go Ahead and Prove Election Was Rigged](https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/trump-announces-press-conference-prove-election-stolen-1234806915/)** > > The former president says he will deliver a “CONCLUSIVE” report next Monday that should get everyone to drop all the charges ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2023, 11:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/4461 "2023-08-15T23:45:40Z")
LOL, I love Rolling Stone’s lead-in to that story: “At long last!” ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2023, 11:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/4462 "2023-08-15T23:54:07Z")
Ha! Good catch. I had missed that. Do you think his health care plan will follow soon? ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2023, 11:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/4463 "2023-08-15T23:55:24Z")
My prediction: The “report” will just be another request for money. ---
**Author:** ![DWMarch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dwmarch/32/1010_2.png) [@DWMarch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DWMarch)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2023, 11:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/4464 "2023-08-15T23:55:45Z")
On the one hand, if Trump thinks this will in any way help him, I’d encourage him to continue talking or posting on social media or scratching out the names from whatever book report he was forced to write in sixth grade (but until now hasn’t found time to actually finish), replacing them with “ELECTION INTERFERENCE!” and finally handing that in. On the other hand, are Trump’s lawyers completely unable to convey the idea to him that there is absolutely nothing at all that he can say out loud that will change his situation for the better? I know defendants can appeal for ineffective counsel but can lawyers appeal for “client with no sense of self-preservation whatsoever”? ---
**Author:** ![DavidNRockies](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidnrockies/32/6279_2.png) [@DavidNRockies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidNRockies)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2023, 11:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/4465 "2023-08-15T23:57:54Z")
So … a bunch of screen grabs from “2000 Mules??” ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2023, 11:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/4466 "2023-08-15T23:58:38Z")
> [@DWMarch](#): > > On the other hand, are Trump’s lawyers completely unable to convey the idea to him that there is absolutely nothing at all that he can say out loud that will change his situation for the better? I am willing to bet many, many people over the years, including Trump’s attorneys, have tried very hard to explain the issues and stop him from torpedoing his own case. Trump simply doesn’t listen and, so far, it has actually worked for him. Against all odds. Yet, here we are. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2023, 12:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/4467 "2023-08-16T00:02:10Z")
It’s so weird that Trump isn’t instead planning to turn that report over to a judge, while he’s under oath. Trump supporters, golly by gosh, I sure do wonder why that is. You must, too, right? ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2023, 12:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/4468 "2023-08-16T00:05:05Z")
> [@Whack-a-Mole](#): > > I am willing to bet many, many people over the years, including Trump’s attorneys, have tried very hard to explain the issues and stop him from torpedoing his own case. At least in the DC election fraud indictment, people are on record trying to warn Trump and his co-conspirators that what they were doing was illegal and would be damaging to them, and they did it anyway. Trump does not hear things he doesn’t like, and surrounds himself with people that tell him what he wants to hear. When they say things he doesn’t like, he gets rid of them. This is all now documented for the public. ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2023, 12:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/4469 "2023-08-16T00:16:34Z")
> [@Atamasama](#): > > Trump does not hear things he doesn’t like, and surrounds himself with people that tell him what he wants to hear. When they say things he doesn’t like, he gets rid of them. What kills me about this is it has apparently worked for him his whole life. And he has failed at just about everything he has touched. I just can’t get my head around that. ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2023, 12:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/4470 "2023-08-16T00:31:19Z")
I think he was just such a miserable puke of a human being that no one wanted to take him on, so no one ever did. I don’t care what job you have, there is always one customer, client, patient, lawyer, defendant, fill-in-the-blank individual who is so horrible, everyone just kind of lets them get away with their hideous behavior rather than take them on. People are confrontation-averse. Trump doesn’t hold back and there is no low to which he will not stoop. Smear one of your beloved family members and endanger their life? Why not do it to all of them? I’ve never forgotten the story Rusty Bowers told when he testified to the January 6th Committee about the pressure campaign Trump and his henchmen brought to bear when Bowers refused to go along with the election subversion plot: > **[Arizona lawmaker Rusty Bowers details the pressure put on him by Trump and...](https://www.npr.org/2022/06/21/1106413341/arizona-lawmaker-rusty-bowers-pressure-giuliani)** > > Bowers testifies that Rudy Giuliani told him of allegations of voter fraud committed by undocumented immigrants or dead people who were listed as having voted. Trump’s not-so-secret sauce is to be so gawdawful that normal people just back away. It’s worked well for him up till now. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020.md?page=222) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020.md?page=224)