# 7 Jan 2021 and beyond - the aftermath of the storming of the Capitol **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [January 8, 2021, 10:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020 "2021-01-08T10:28:28Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 229
**Author:** ![snowthx](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowthx/32/10660_2.png) [@snowthx](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snowthx)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2023, 8:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/4571 "2023-08-25T20:16:22Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > Good grief. This really is a bottomless pit. I’d go with overflowing toilet. Same strategy as when he occupied the White House - keep saying and doing crazy stuff so everyone is so overwhelmed no one knows what to focus on. Hopefully, these legal teams for these indictments stay focused. ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2023, 8:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/4572 "2023-08-25T20:25:20Z")
> [@Aspenglow](#): > > Responding to your question here, because if my speculation is correct, this is probably going to need a new, different thread. But for sure it doesn’t belong in the Georgia thread. It is amazing, and telling, that Trump’s legal issues are so convoluted that even the mods here have a hard time sorting what should be where. Seems Trump Strategy-101 to consistently confuse and delay legal problems. He has something like 94 legal counts against him and he’s still living the good life. Pretty sure I’d not fare as well with even one legal count against me. Different rules for different people. ---
**Author:** ![chappachula](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/d2c977/32.png) [@chappachula](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/chappachula)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2023, 8:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/4573 "2023-08-25T20:28:10Z")
> [@enipla](#): > > - It does not matter if > - It does not matter if > - It does not matter if > It does not matter if . > - What matters is what he did. Don’t forget that there is one, and only one thing which matters much more than anything in this list: It matters ONLY that all 12 jurors agree on what matters. It only takes one Maga cultist to make a hung jury, and Trump will walk away a free man. We smart folks can discuss the minutiae of legal definitions, and convince ourselves that the facts leave Trump with no way to defend himself. But all our discussions and facts are irrelevant. There are only 12 people who count, and none of them are reading this thread. It’s too soon to start celebrating ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2023, 8:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/4574 "2023-08-25T20:30:33Z")
> [@snowthx](#): > > I’d go with overflowing toilet. If only Trump had learned from Nixon and hired some plumbers… ---
**Author:** ![Ann\_Hedonia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ann_hedonia/32/319_2.png) [@Ann\_Hedonia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ann_Hedonia)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2023, 9:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/4575 "2023-08-25T21:08:02Z")
> [@chappachula](#): > > > [@enipla](#): > > > > - It does not matter if > > - It does not matter if > > - It does not matter if > > It does not matter if . > > - What matters is what he did. > > Don’t forget that there is one, and only one thing which matters much more than anything in this list: > It matters ONLY that all 12 jurors agree on what matters. > It only takes one Maga cultist to make a hung jury, and Trump will walk away a free man. > > We smart folks can discuss the minutiae of legal definitions, and convince ourselves that the facts leave Trump with no way to defend himself. But all our discussions and facts are irrelevant. There are only 12 people who count, and none of them are reading this thread. > It’s too soon to start celebrating I really think the threat of “lying MAGA cultist on the jury” is way overblown. In addition to all the tools they have for identifying these people……well, I know that if I had to sit in a courtroom for 4-8 hours a day for weeks and listen to MAGA propaganda being presented as fact while 11 of my peers nodded in agreement, I wouldn’t be able to nod and bite my tongue and pretend to agree. I would actually find it intolerable, like watching Fox News every day. I imagine any MAGA plant would feel the same way, and they aren’t known for self-discipline. I think the chances are very slim that a MAGA cultist would not only make it on the jury but make it through the trial without being found out. Also, there have been lots of Trump adjacent cases that made it to a jury trial, and I think the juries got it right every single time. That said, lately I feel a little bit like the dog that caught the car sometimes. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2023, 9:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/4576 "2023-08-25T21:12:37Z")
> [@chappachula](#): > > It only takes one Maga cultist to make a hung jury, and Trump will walk away a free man. That’s wrong twice. #1: A MAGA person was in the NYC civil lawsuit case against Trump, where he was accused of defamation, and agreed with 11 other jurors that Trump was liable and owed damages. #2: A hung jury does not make Trump a free man. It just means they need a new trial. It’s possible that the prosecution might drop the case, but they don’t have to. All of this speculation is based on a misunderstanding of facts and unreasonable pessimism. ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2023, 9:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/4577 "2023-08-25T21:22:50Z")
Moderating: > [@chappachula](#): > > Don’t forget that there is one, and only one thing which matters much more than anything in this list: Do not ever, ever alter the quote(s) of another poster within the quote box. This is a strict rule on the SDMB. You can make your modifications below the actual quote if you wish, but not within the quote box quoting another poster. You will suffer a warning if you do this again. ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2023, 10:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/4578 "2023-08-25T22:38:53Z")
> [@Atamasama](#): > > #2: A hung jury does not make Trump a free man. It just means they need a new trial. It’s possible that the prosecution might drop the case, but they don’t have to. Yup. Unanimity goes both ways (guilty or not guilty…or whatever words they use that amount to the same thing). ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2023, 10:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/4579 "2023-08-25T22:53:22Z")
In my experience, if the verdict is close, say 11-1 or even 10-2 in favor of conviction, most prosecutors will opt to retry. And they’ll want to do it quickly. ---
**Author:** ![chappachula](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/d2c977/32.png) [@chappachula](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/chappachula)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2023, 5:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/4580 "2023-08-26T05:59:19Z")
> [@Aspenglow](#): > > You will suffer a warning if you do this again. I’ll respect your moderating of course. And I apologize. But I’ve opened a [ thread](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aspenglows-warning-why-cant-i-quote-martin-luther-king/989116) about it in “About this Message Board” . ---
**Author:** ![rocking\_chair](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rocking_chair/32/2918_2.png) [@rocking\_chair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rocking_chair)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2023, 12:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/4581 "2023-08-29T12:43:37Z")
Today through Friday will be the sentencing for the proud boys. Some are up for quite a few years in prison. ---
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2023, 3:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/4582 "2023-08-29T15:48:50Z")
Hey, the more, the merrier, for us anyway. ---
**Author:** ![rocking\_chair](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rocking_chair/32/2918_2.png) [@rocking\_chair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rocking_chair)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2023, 7:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/4583 "2023-08-30T19:51:11Z")
Sentencing had been delayed due to the judge calling out sick. I do hope it isn’t the covid strain going around now. ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2023, 10:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/4584 "2023-08-30T22:50:26Z")
Peter Navarro’s contempt of Congress case is proceeding apace. The judge says that Navarro has not shown thatTrump exerted executive privilege. His trial is Sept 5th. ---
**Author:** ![rocking\_chair](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rocking_chair/32/2918_2.png) [@rocking\_chair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rocking_chair)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2023, 3:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/4585 "2023-08-31T15:18:18Z")
Sentencing is back for the proud boys. I believe we have Mr biggs in court now. ---
**Author:** ![rocking\_chair](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rocking_chair/32/2918_2.png) [@rocking\_chair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rocking_chair)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2023, 5:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/4586 "2023-08-31T17:12:39Z")
Mr Biggs 17 years, prosecutors asked for 33. Bit disappointing, that. ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2023, 5:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/4587 "2023-08-31T17:20:18Z")
He wasn’t too proud to cry. > **[Proud Boys leader Joe Biggs sobs as he's sentenced to 17 years in prison](https://www.rawstory.com/proud-boys-leader-17-years/)** > > Proud Boys leader Joe Biggs sobbed in court Thursday as he was sentenced to 17 years in prison for his role in the Jan. 6 attacks on the U.S. Capitol.Biggs was convicted of seditious conspiracy and the government asked for a sentence almost twice as... ---
**Author:** ![Hatchie](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hatchie/32/3983_2.png) [@Hatchie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hatchie)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2023, 5:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/4588 "2023-08-31T17:31:35Z")
They were tears of relief. “17 years, hell yeah, I can do that in my sleep!” (I liked him better when he was reviewing drive-in movies, but oh well.) ---
**Author:** ![rocking\_chair](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rocking_chair/32/2918_2.png) [@rocking\_chair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rocking_chair)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2023, 5:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/4589 "2023-08-31T17:33:47Z")
Sobbed enough to sway the judge. ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2023, 5:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/4590 "2023-08-31T17:38:26Z")
I just found an interesting article mentioning him three days _before_ Jan. 6th. > **[Far-right group Proud Boys claim they will attend January 6 DC rally...](https://www.businessinsider.com/proud-boys-attend-january-6-dc-rally-incognito-all-black-2021-1)** > > The attorney general for Washington DC said he feared there could be mayhem in the city on Wednesday. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020.md?page=228) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020.md?page=230)