# 7 Jan 2021 and beyond - the aftermath of the storming of the Capitol **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [January 8, 2021, 10:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020 "2021-01-08T10:28:28Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 23
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2021, 11:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/442 "2021-01-12T23:56:44Z")
Just so I’m clear: I’m all for impeachment if we can do it (or at least substantially get through most of it) by January 20 (or at least the end of the month). Maybe I’m wrong this time and maybe there really is momentum to do it, which would be great. I just don’t want to see it disrupt Biden’s agenda. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2021, 12:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/443 "2021-01-13T00:00:36Z")
What? Surely he thinks he has Presidential Spawn Immunity, right? 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Heffalump\_and\_Roo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/heffalump_and_roo/32/7691_2.png) [@Heffalump\_and\_Roo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Heffalump_and_Roo)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2021, 12:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/444 "2021-01-13T00:01:17Z")
> [@Fiveyearlurker](#): > > Apologies: [https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/12/us/mcconnell-impeachment-trump-mc.html](https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/12/us/mcconnell-impeachment-trump-mc.html) Earlier, McConnell had said that the Senate won’t take up the vote for impeachment until the 20th. In that article, Biden asks McConnell if the Senate could confirm Biden’s cabinet while holding a Senate trial. In this article, Schumer says that the Senate doesn’t have to wait until the 20th. [https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/533861-schumer-calls-on-mcconnell-to-allow-trump-impeachment-trial-immediately](https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/533861-schumer-calls-on-mcconnell-to-allow-trump-impeachment-trial-immediately) ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2021, 12:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/445 "2021-01-13T00:29:59Z")
> [@BlankSlate](#): > > > [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > > > _Whereas Cindy McCain has condemned President Trump for his criticism of her husband and erroneously placed behaviors over actual presidential results._ > > This is a parody? An actual adult wrote this? - If you mean a person beyond a specific age, yes. ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2021, 12:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/446 "2021-01-13T00:34:34Z")
> > ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2021, 12:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/447 "2021-01-13T00:52:42Z")
> [@Cervaise](#): > > This is so notable in part because the public has received very little information about the extent of officers’ injuries (quoting a tweet from Cervaise’s post, not Cervaise) I saw film of a guy with a pole with an American flag on it, beating a police officer down to the ground. A FREAKING AMERICAN FLAG. And there are elected shithead Republicans who want to call this criminal “a patriot” or “a freedom fighter”. ---
**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2021, 1:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/448 "2021-01-13T01:00:16Z")
> [@Mahaloth](#): > > [Mitch McConnell is reported to _support_ impeachment.](https://www.foxnews.com/politics/mcconnell-believes-trump-committed-impeachable-offenses-supports-democrats-impeachment-efforts-report) > > I think convicting Trump could help the Republican party. I agree. I made exactly the same point on another message board yesterday. If they vote to impeach Trump, and also ban him from seeking office again, I think that they can effectively (although not immediately) kill Trumpism as an electoral force on the national level. There will still be Trumpists around, of course, but Trump is the glue that holds these morons together, and without him I don’t think that someone like Josh Hawley can do it. Say what you like about Trump, but he has a unique style and personality that is magnetic to a particular type of embattled conservative. Without Trump, I think that the Republican establishment like McConnell would move to reassert themselves as the core leadership of the party. The Trumpists throughout the country would cry betrayal and there would probably be some riots and violence, but I don’t think that these idiots have what it takes to organize themselves without the Cheeto-Faced Shitgibbon rallying them together, and neither Trump’s Republican supporters (Hawley, Cruz, etc.), nor his gormless offspring, have the charisma to do it. Then we might be able to return to a situation where the Republicans are just garden-variety obstructionist, Democracy-hating, hypocritical assholes. ---
**Author:** ![TroutMan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/troutman/32/6721_2.png) [@TroutMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TroutMan)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2021, 1:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/449 "2021-01-13T01:06:32Z")
> [@mhendo](#): > > Then we might be able to return to a situation where the Republicans are just garden-variety obstructionist, Democracy-hating, hypocritical assholes. Who ever thought we’d long for those days? I think the best case for both Dems and non-insane Republicans would be to impeach him, drive Trumpism out of the party, and then try rebuild a party that can win by being popular, not by cheating. We can go back to civilized fights with them. And if that happens, the Trumpists can form their new splinter party. For my SDMB pool entry, I predict they’ll name it The Patriot Party. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2021, 2:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/450 "2021-01-13T02:05:22Z")
It looks like HR 38 will pass at 222-211; now Pence has 24 hours to respond or else impeachment starts again. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2021, 2:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/451 "2021-01-13T02:15:58Z")
Final tally was 222-204, for those curious. ---
**Author:** ![Wesley\_Clark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wesley_clark/32/20581_2.png) [@Wesley\_Clark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wesley_Clark)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2021, 2:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/452 "2021-01-13T02:40:00Z")
> [@Ann\_Hedonia](#): > > That is real and it shows what the Republican Party has become. This is the kind of stuff they’re going to be required to sign onto if they want to run for public office with an R after their names. Otherwise they don’t get the fundraising and logistical platforms. Keep in mind those platforms have probably been used in furtherance of a scheme to overthrow the government and may become a law enforcement target. > > This is what happens to weak-willed people of low moral character. This _ **is** _ the Republican Party of 2021, like it or not. yes but sadly no matter how evil they are they’re guaranteed 70-75 million votes anyway. America is deeply deranged. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2021, 2:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/453 "2021-01-13T02:42:57Z")
Don, Jr. gave a defiant interview today; then abruptly cut the call after being asked a question: > **[Trump business backlash part of 'cancel culture,' son says](https://apnews.com/article/eric-trump-cancel-culture-78f8e2fa29715e142a281bd6480c0782)** > > NEW YORK (AP) — The PGA canceled its tournament at his golf course. Banks say they won’t lend to him anymore. > [@](#): > > Hits to President Donald Trump’s business empire since the deadly riots at the U.S. Capitol are part of a liberal “cancel culture,” his son, Eric, told The Associated Press on Tuesday, saying his father will leave the presidency with a powerful brand backed by millions of voters who will follow him “to the ends of the Earth.” > > “We live in the age of cancel culture, but this isn’t something that started this week. It is something that they have been doing to us and others for years,” said Trump, who along with his brother, Donald Jr., have been running the family company since their father took office four years ago. “If you disagree with them, if they don’t like you, they try and cancel you.” > [@](#): > > Eric Trump seemed unruffled but combative as he spoke by phone from his office in Trump Tower. He dismissed the hits as no big threat to a company that has minimal debt –$400 million against billions in assets – and can always tap its vast real estate holdings for cash, not to mention the allegiance of those sticking by the president. > > “You have a man who would get followed to the ends of the Earth by a hundred million Americans,” Eric Trump said. “He created the greatest political movement in American history and his opportunities are endless.” > [@](#): > > President Trump said Tuesday during a visit to the border wall in Texas that he bore no responsibility for fomenting the insurrection and warned that efforts to impeach him over his comments threatened only to further divide the country, “which is very dangerous.” > > Asked directly in his interview if he felt his father incited the crowd, Eric Trump paused and then the line went dead. No one has to do business with you, Jr. No one has to talk to you or listen to what you say. Fuck off. ---
**Author:** ![rocking\_chair](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rocking_chair/32/2918_2.png) [@rocking\_chair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rocking_chair)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2021, 2:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/454 "2021-01-13T02:59:47Z")
In the video of the officer being berated with the flag, you see one of the insurgents take his riot helmet off the officer’s head and put it on his own. In the video they were using police shields and mace against the police. The action in that video was just vicious and horrifying. The injuries stated tonight on the floor of Congress are heartbreaking. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2021, 3:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/455 "2021-01-13T03:08:42Z")
I think what really needs to happen at this point is that the Republicans who have “seen the light” at this point need to have a serious heart to heart discussion with their colleagues. They need to make it plain that they are either on board with impeachment NOW, or they completely utterly throw in with the people that attacked the Capitol, put 50 police in hospital (some by being beaten with the American flag, killed police and literally TOOK A SHIT in the seat of American government. That’s it. Make a choice. The Republican Party, or the seditionist mob of cop-killers. Choose. Now. ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2021, 3:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/456 "2021-01-13T03:16:59Z")
Pence has already sent a letter saying he won’t - [https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/12/politics/house-vote-25th-amendment-trump/index.html](https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/12/politics/house-vote-25th-amendment-trump/index.html) > “With just eight days left in the President’s term, you and the Democratic caucus are demanding that the Cabinet and I invoke the 25th Amendment. I do not believe that such a course of action is in the best interest of our nation or consistent with our Constitution,” Pence wrote. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2021, 3:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/457 "2021-01-13T03:24:56Z")
Let the impeachment begin. I want to see who is on record as supporting cop killing terrorists. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2021, 3:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/458 "2021-01-13T03:29:02Z")
Well, yeah. He is draining money, and they wont have him running in 2024. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2021, 3:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/459 "2021-01-13T03:32:09Z")
GOP: Fuck you and your security measures; rules are for _other_ people! > **[Republicans protest, circumvent new metal detectors inside Capitol after riot](https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/republicans-protest-circumvent-new-metal-detectors-inside-capitol-after-riot-n1254011)** > > The security checkpoint outside the House chamber has created tension between some members and Capitol Police. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2021, 3:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/460 "2021-01-13T03:32:12Z")
what is HR38?? ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2021, 3:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/461 "2021-01-13T03:32:43Z")
Demands that Pence agree to assemble to Cabinet to invoke the 25th. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020.md?page=22) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020.md?page=24)