# 7 Jan 2021 and beyond - the aftermath of the storming of the Capitol **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [January 8, 2021, 10:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020 "2021-01-08T10:28:28Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 231
**Author:** ![F.U.Shakespeare](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/aca169/32.png) [@F.U.Shakespeare](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/F.U.Shakespeare)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2023, 10:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/4611 "2023-08-31T22:46:38Z")
> [@aurora\_maire](#): > > The best part of this is that they all know that they have been abandoned. They really thought that they would be the heroes of the mighty MAGA revolution, risking life and limb to Stop the Steal. Instead, the movement turned out to be a con, their leader is ignoring them and **most of their fellow MAGAs believe they are FBI plants or antifa.** Rot in prison and think about that, assholes. Is this really the case? The few MAGAs I can’t avoid contact with claim that the Jan 6 rioters are noble patriots being persecuted by the Democrats. I could see a MAGA believing the rioters are false-flag actors if you corner him and make him watch particularly violent videos of Jan 6. _“Oh, yeah! That guy with the pepper spray is **definitely** antifa! And FBI too!”_ ---
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2023, 1:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/4612 "2023-09-01T01:25:44Z")
> [@Procrustus](#): > > Around 14 years. 15% good time in federal prisons. And [no early release on parole](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_parole_in_the_United_States) from federal prison. ---
**Author:** ![aurora\_maire](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aurora_maire/32/328_2.png) [@aurora\_maire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aurora_maire)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2023, 1:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/4613 "2023-09-01T01:53:38Z")
> [@F.U.Shakespeare](#): > > Is this really the case? The few MAGAs I can’t avoid contact with claim that the Jan 6 rioters are noble patriots being persecuted by the Democrats. Maybe it’s just wishful thinking on my part, but they are not really getting national attention from the leaders of the MAGA movement, as “noble patriots being persecuted” would deserve. Granted, a lot of those people have their own problems right now. I checked Fox News and Newsmax and they both have a brief story well down the page. Trump has posted over 100 times on Truth Social in the last couple days and hasn’t bothered to mention them. Of course, I don’t believe he has mentioned that any of his co-indictees are being persecuted either, so that’s not surprising. It just appears that anyone not named Donald Trump is an afterthought, if that, with the MAGA nation. > [@snowthx](#): > > I honestly think the opposite - they probably all still believe if Trump is returned to the White House, they’ll all be pardoned. Such is the depth of the brain washing: We can agree they are not very bright. But Trump could have pardoned all of them before he left office and he didn’t do that. They will spend almost two years in prison before there is a _chance_ of a pardon. That may be a wake-up call for them. ---
**Author:** ![Railer13](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/railer13/32/9742_2.png) [@Railer13](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Railer13)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2023, 1:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/4614 "2023-09-01T01:59:14Z")
> [@aurora\_maire](#): > > But Trump could have pardoned all of them before he left office Except none of them had been charged with a crime at that point. And certainly Trump didn’t think that any crime had been committed on 1/6. And he still doesn’t. ---
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2023, 2:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/4615 "2023-09-01T02:10:37Z")
> [@aurora\_maire](#): > > They will spend almost two years in prison before there is a _chance_ of a pardon. And it won’t be the Club Fed type of prison the white-collar higher-ups can expect if/when they’re convicted. ---
**Author:** ![aurora\_maire](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aurora_maire/32/328_2.png) [@aurora\_maire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aurora_maire)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2023, 2:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/4616 "2023-09-01T02:18:56Z")
> [@Railer13](#): > > Except none of them had been charged with a crime at that point. And certainly Trump didn’t think that any crime had been committed on 1/6. And he still doesn’t. It was discussed at the time if Trump would give pre-emptive pardons to the rioters. A lot of them were certainly hoping that he would. [Why Donald Trump never pardoned his Capitol riot accomplices (azcentral.com)](https://www.azcentral.com/story/opinion/op-ed/ej-montini/2021/02/09/donald-trump-not-pardon-his-capitol-riot-accomplices/4446261001/) ---
**Author:** ![dtilque](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/d6d6ee/32.png) [@dtilque](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dtilque)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2023, 2:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/4617 "2023-09-01T02:59:21Z")
> [@Railer13](#): > > Except none of them had been charged with a crime at that point. You don’t have to be charged with a crime to get a pardon. Richard Nixon, to give a very prominent example, had not been charged when Ford pardoned him. Similarly, the Vietnam draft resisters had mostly not been charged with crimes when Carter pardoned them. ---
**Author:** ![ParallelLines](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/parallellines/32/3575_2.png) [@ParallelLines](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ParallelLines)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2023, 3:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/4618 "2023-09-01T03:20:48Z")
For the record, I don’t think Trump will pardon those folks ( if god forbid he wins again) unless his advisors carefully persuade him - after all, he doesn’t reward losers, and they didn’t keep him in office. Although, he could be persuaded if it would be a huge media circus where they were all thanking him on bended knees with tears in their eyes. That sort of showboating he’d love, but anyway… But anyone other than Trump? I’d bed they will, using the language above, so they can fake the “kindler, gentler” and also show the crowds that may not love them as much as Trump that they’ve got their (the fanatics) back. ---
**Author:** ![rocking\_chair](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rocking_chair/32/2918_2.png) [@rocking\_chair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rocking_chair)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2023, 2:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/4619 "2023-09-01T14:26:18Z")
2 more for today. One is in court now, one to follow this afternoon. ---
**Author:** ![rocking\_chair](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rocking_chair/32/2918_2.png) [@rocking\_chair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rocking_chair)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2023, 5:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/4620 "2023-09-01T17:07:08Z")
10 years for the man who broke the window and breached the capitol. > **[Proud Boy who smashed Capitol window on January 6 sentenced to 10 years | CNN...](https://www.cnn.com/2023/09/01/politics/dominic-pezzola-proud-boys-sentencing/index.html)** > > The Proud Boy who smashed through a window to the US Capitol with a police riot shield on January 6, 2021, allowing the first wave of rioters to storm the building as members of Congress were being evacuated was sentenced Friday to 10 years in... I believe each of the 3 have been in the military. For me that would have taken the sentence up. You are taught to not follow unlawful orders. ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2023, 5:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/4621 "2023-09-01T17:12:47Z")
> [@rocking\_chair](#): > > 10 years for the man who broke the window and breached the capitol. I’m still amazed the first ones through were not shot. He should consider himself luck he’s alive to serve 10 years. ---
**Author:** ![rocking\_chair](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rocking_chair/32/2918_2.png) [@rocking\_chair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rocking_chair)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2023, 5:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/4622 "2023-09-01T17:32:50Z")
As soon as the judge left the court, pezzola yelled out “trump won” as he was lead away. While the judge was there, tearfully apology. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2023, 7:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/4623 "2023-09-01T19:09:42Z")
Not quite the “Eppur si muove” moment he was probably going for. ---
**Author:** ![Akaj](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/akaj/32/145_2.png) [@Akaj](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Akaj)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2023, 7:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/4624 "2023-09-01T19:44:05Z")
Probably won’t help his effort to get time off his sentence, either. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2023, 7:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/4625 "2023-09-01T19:47:30Z")
It does call into question his claim of remorse. /s Enjoy prison, fuckwit. Trump lost. ---
**Author:** ![velomont](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/8491ac/32.png) [@velomont](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/velomont)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2023, 8:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/4626 "2023-09-01T20:40:10Z")
Do you folks think that the three Proud Boys were under-sentenced, and what rationale do you think the judge would have had for sentences less than requested by the prosecutors? ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2023, 8:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/4627 "2023-09-01T20:56:14Z")
> [@Akaj](#): > > Probably won’t help his effort to get time off his sentence, either. Absent a pardon, he can only get 15% off for “good time.” Showing remorse (or anything else) is not necessary. All he has to do is behave in prison. ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2023, 8:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/4628 "2023-09-01T20:57:10Z")
> [@velomont](#): > > Do you folks think that the three Proud Boys were under-sentenced I think the sentences were fine. I wouldn’t cry if they were longer, but I think the point was made for deterrent purposes. ---
**Author:** ![Disinfectus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/disinfectus/32/11085_2.png) [@Disinfectus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Disinfectus)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2023, 9:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/4629 "2023-09-01T21:03:15Z")
> [@velomont](#): > > Do you folks think that the three Proud Boys were under-sentenced, and what rationale do you think the judge would have had for sentences less than requested by the prosecutors? The judge offered his rationale: “Kelly said in both hearings that he was “not trying to minimize the violence” that happened that day, but that he had to compare the sentences of other Jan. 6 defendants in other cases to avoid large disparities.” ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2023, 9:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/4630 "2023-09-01T21:15:00Z")
> [@Darren\_Garrison](#): > > He wasn’t too proud to cry. From Proud Boy to Cry Baby. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020.md?page=230) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020.md?page=232)