# 7 Jan 2021 and beyond - the aftermath of the storming of the Capitol **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [January 8, 2021, 10:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020 "2021-01-08T10:28:28Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 241
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2023, 8:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/4811 "2023-09-30T08:56:10Z")
Thank you! I agree, very weird. ---
**Author:** ![Si\_Amigo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/si_amigo/32/2877_2.png) [@Si\_Amigo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Si_Amigo)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2023, 3:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/4812 "2023-09-30T15:06:30Z")
> [@Kolak\_of\_Twilo](#): > > was apparently found unconscious in his home after sneaking back in. WTF. It sounds like he was drunk to me. Went on on a bender before he got locked up. I’m certain the judge has seen this type of lowlife behavior before. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2023, 7:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/4813 "2023-09-30T19:26:41Z")
I would love to have been the FBI agent who smiled at him and very cheerily said “Hi, there!” when he regained consciousness with a half-dozen guns pointed at him. ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2023, 8:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/4814 "2023-09-30T20:36:24Z")
I just realized that he’s the same one from this thread who has non-Hodgkin’s lymphoma. Maybe his “passed out” was a medical issue? > [@Proud Boy under House Arrest Disappears Before Sentencing](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/proud-boy-under-house-arrest-disappears-before-sentencing/988843/33): > > Don’t you remember? You sent it out for repairs. ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2023, 10:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/4815 "2023-10-17T22:49:38Z")
“Bullhorn lady”, who directed rioters via bullhorn and broke a Capitol window with an ice pick (?!) so people could get in, has been sentenced to five years. Threw herself on the mercy of the court, by saying that it was the fault of the police that the rioters broke into the Capitol. (No, really, that’s not an Onion headline.) Also asked not to go to jail because her 15 year old son would have to look after her younger children. Will no one think of the children?!? (Note: she didn’t.) > **['Bullhorn Lady' sentenced to nearly 5 years in prison for encouragin mob,...](https://www.wusa9.com/article/news/national/capitol-riots/bullhorn-lady-sentenced-to-nearly-5-years-in-prison-for-smashing-window-inciting-mob-on-jan-6-rachel-powell/65-1fe20571-c699-438e-8f0b-1e64614d946f)** > > Prosecutors said Rachel Powell, of Pennsylvania, tried to portray herself as a "victim" even after her conviction on multiple felony counts. ---
**Author:** ![ParallelLines](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/parallellines/32/3575_2.png) [@ParallelLines](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ParallelLines)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2023, 11:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/4816 "2023-10-17T23:14:47Z")
> [@Northern\_Piper](#): > > ice pick (?!) Ice Ax according to the article. Although yes, it looks more like what I expect a traditional miner’s pick to look like than an ax to me. [![](https://media.wusa9.com/assets/WUSA/images/e2aa406d-b506-4273-8a49-653827ebf6c3/e2aa406d-b506-4273-8a49-653827ebf6c3_1920x1080.jpg) ](https://media.wusa9.com/assets/WUSA/images/e2aa406d-b506-4273-8a49-653827ebf6c3/e2aa406d-b506-4273-8a49-653827ebf6c3_1920x1080.jpg) Rather than the more traditional “ice pick” as seen below. [![](https://i5.walmartimages.com/seo/Papaba-Ice-Pick-Stainless-Steel-Ice-Pick-Punch-Crusher-Icing-Breaker-Wooden-Handle-Kitchen-Tool_3b0d9bb2-cd1c-46df-bed0-5f0d8c3a4496_1.9e0dbae2d21ed37ccae516034dde31f2.jpeg?odnHeight=2000&odnWidth=2000&odnBg=FFFFFF) ](https://i5.walmartimages.com/seo/Papaba-Ice-Pick-Stainless-Steel-Ice-Pick-Punch-Crusher-Icing-Breaker-Wooden-Handle-Kitchen-Tool_3b0d9bb2-cd1c-46df-bed0-5f0d8c3a4496_1.9e0dbae2d21ed37ccae516034dde31f2.jpeg?odnHeight=2000&odnWidth=2000&odnBg=FFFFFF) Okay, nitPICK over (okay, I deserve a boo for that one), but the key point that N\_P touched on: > Powell’s attorney, Nicholas Smith, argued she shouldn’t receive a longer prison term than [“QAnon Shaman” Jacob Chansley](https://www.wusa9.com/article/news/national/capitol-riots/jacob-chansley-the-qanon-shaman-sentenced-to-41-months-in-prison-albert-watkins-royce-lamberth-capitol-riot-january-6-donald-trump/65-c5b8dca7-2d74-4fce-aaeb-d1e9f28180ec), who Lamberth sentenced to four years in prison. However, Lamberth said Chansley had pleaded guilty and taken responsibility for his actions – and had done so early on. > > Assistant U.S. Attorney Lucy Sun highlighted Powell’s continued downplaying and denial of her actions on Jan. 6, including an interview she participated in the night before her sentencing hearing on a show hosted by former White House adviser Steve Bannon. On social media, Powell has repeatedly blamed police for the violence at the Capitol – writing in one instance that police “instigated us and brutally abused the whole crowd.” For me it seems obvious: if you didn’t want to do jailtime, you should have taken a deal and not kept making it worse. 🙄 ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2023, 1:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/4817 "2023-10-18T01:23:56Z")
> [@ParallelLines](#): > > Ice Ax according to the article. Although yes, it looks more like what I expect a traditional miner’s pick to look like than an ax to me. To confuse matters further, the ice ax tool has a pick on it. [![](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c2/Ice_axe.png) ](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c2/Ice_axe.png) The part labeled as 1 is a pick. So while not an “ice pick”, she did use a pick to break the window. Either way, potentially a very dangerous weapon, and I wonder if seeing her wielding it in any way influenced the judge as to her motives and how much of a threat she was. ---
**Author:** ![ParallelLines](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/parallellines/32/3575_2.png) [@ParallelLines](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ParallelLines)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2023, 3:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/4818 "2023-10-18T03:16:55Z")
I will accept your technically correct answer, so she used the pick of an ice axe to break the window. And yes, I do believe that the fact she brought such an item to a “peaceful” (hack, cough, Bulls\*\*t, cough) protest gave lie to any defense she may have had about motives and her threat level. I only wish they had the evidence (being careful to not wish unjust penalties on anyone) to further separate her from the sane(ish) portion of our population. ---
**Author:** ![Spoons](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spoons/32/3141_2.png) [@Spoons](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spoons)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2023, 3:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/4819 "2023-10-18T03:30:54Z")
> [@Northern\_Piper](#): > > Threw herself on the mercy of the court, by saying that it was the fault of the police that the rioters broke into the Capitol. (No, really, that’s not an Onion headline.) Ironically, many MAGAts, Trumpists, and other assorted right-wingers continue to assert on their discussion boards that police opened the doors of the Capitol and welcomed protestors in. But we have this woman, undoubtedly among others, implying that protestors _had_ to break in, because police wouldn’t let them in. Schrodinger’s protestors, perhaps; being simultaneously welcomed and excluded? ---
**Author:** ![ParallelLines](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/parallellines/32/3575_2.png) [@ParallelLines](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ParallelLines)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2023, 3:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/4820 "2023-10-18T03:37:28Z")
Oh, it’s much easier than that. -channels Trump-y mindset- Most of those good police know that the election was stolen, and tried to let us in, but the COMMIE/DEMONRAT traitors among them, working together with the agitator ANTIFA hiding among my fellow patriots created numerous fake conflicts. When my fellow patriots and myself attempted to stop the traitors and antifa, there was some minor, no, trivial damage, but after all, it’s our house, and we were serving at the behest of the lawful president! All those who say otherwise are obviously Antifa, or crisis actors, because all good people think just like us! -ends channeling- Seriously, that contradiction wouldn’t even register to someone who not only protested, but couldn’t be bothered to go for a plea out of common sense. How many others pleaded, got a reduced sentence, and concurrently or immediately after recanted / walked it back? ---
**Author:** ![Spoons](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spoons/32/3141_2.png) [@Spoons](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spoons)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2023, 4:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/4821 "2023-10-18T04:03:35Z")
Good channeling. From what I’ve seen, you’ve read their minds. The whole thing happened because of the Marxist commie socialist Dumbocrats, and their Antifa allies. At least, according to the Trump-y mindset that I’ve seen online. > [@ParallelLines](#): > > Seriously, that contradiction wouldn’t even register to someone who not only protested, but couldn’t be bothered to go for a plea out of common sense. How many others pleaded, got a reduced sentence, and concurrently or immediately after recanted / walked it back? I don’t know, but the example of the QAnon Shaman, stated above, ought to provide an example. The evidence was overwhelmingly against him, so the best thing to do was to plead guilty as soon as was reasonable, and be contrite. I can use a guilty plea at the earliest reasonable opportunity as a mitigating factor in sentencing (among other factors) as his lawyer did. It seems to me as if this woman expected to be seen as some sort of an “American Patriot™ who was only trying to save the Union from cheaters and to return the People’s House to the American People,” and she expected the court to go easy on her because of that. But that is no mitigating factor. No, after wasting the court’s time and resources on a trial, in the face of overwhelming evidence, she cannot expect to get the same sentence as the QAnon Shaman. ---
**Author:** ![not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/not_what_you_d_expect/32/3246_2.png) [@not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/not_what_you_d_expect)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2023, 8:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/4822 "2023-10-18T08:06:58Z")
They still believe Trump is going to Pardon them when he is reelected so they see themselves as Patriots and Martyrs and not the criminals they actually are. ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2023, 12:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/4823 "2023-10-18T12:15:52Z")
What continues to blow me away is they use Antifa as a slur. As if being against fascism is a bad thing. ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2023, 12:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/4824 "2023-10-18T12:18:58Z")
No, no, no. You don’t think about what it _means_. You just snarl it out in a way that implies it is _eeeeeeeeee-vil_! This is the sole purpose of saying, “_Antifa_!” (I know you know this already.) ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2023, 12:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/4825 "2023-10-18T12:19:47Z")
> [@enipla](#): > > What continues to blow me away is they use Antifa as a slur. As if being against fascism is a bad thing. Didn’t you know? Anti-fascists are the real fascists. Anti-racists are the real racists. Persecuting LGBT+ teens is keeping them safe. Restricting healthcare for pregnant women is saving babies. Black is white. Slavery is freedom. Trump was a great president. Etc etc etc. ---
**Author:** ![CalMeacham](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/calmeacham/32/35_2.png) [@CalMeacham](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CalMeacham)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2023, 12:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/4826 "2023-10-18T12:27:56Z")
> [@ParallelLines](#): > > And yes, I do believe that the fact she brought such an item to a “peaceful” (hack, cough, Bulls\*\*t, cough) protest gave lie to any defense she may have had about motives and her threat level No. No no no. She just wanted to be prepared to climb any ice walls that might be in the way. It was January, after all. Winter. ---
**Author:** ![snowthx](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowthx/32/10660_2.png) [@snowthx](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snowthx)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2023, 12:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/4827 "2023-10-18T12:37:22Z")
I am glad these idjits are getting justice served on them. But I do have a shred of empathy. These are Americans, our fellow countrymen, our neighbors in some cases. They bear responsibility for letting themselves get brainwashed and for their actions. But one person is responsible for inciting them to do what they did on Jan 6, and my hope is that that individual is held to account and gets maximum justice served. ---
**Author:** ![Dinsdale](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/97f17d/32.png) [@Dinsdale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dinsdale)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2023, 12:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/4828 "2023-10-18T12:55:12Z")
> [@snowthx](#): > > But I do have a shred of empathy. I guess we disagree there. Trump took advantage of urges and emotions that already existed. ---
**Author:** ![snowthx](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowthx/32/10660_2.png) [@snowthx](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snowthx)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2023, 12:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/4829 "2023-10-18T12:58:39Z")
Yeah, you are probably right. I just find it appalling the such a huge percentage of our population has fallen under the spell of such a complete fraud. ---
**Author:** ![not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/not_what_you_d_expect/32/3246_2.png) [@not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/not_what_you_d_expect)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2023, 1:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/4830 "2023-10-18T13:12:42Z")
I was/am a pretty big fan of Barack Obama. I have often wondered what I might have done if he had told me that I needed to fight for him for some reason. I can’t sit here with a straight face and say I wouldn’t have acted, because I just don’t honestly know. It depends, is the best I can say, probably. My only hope would be that I would have recognized the error of my ways and taken my punishment with some humility. So, I do have some sympathy for some of them, but not the ones who continue to deny the truth. Them, I pity. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020.md?page=240) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020.md?page=242)