# 7 Jan 2021 and beyond - the aftermath of the storming of the Capitol **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [January 8, 2021, 10:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020 "2021-01-08T10:28:28Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 247
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2023, 3:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/4931 "2023-12-21T15:40:30Z")
:: golf clap :: ---
**Author:** ![not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/not_what_you_d_expect/32/3246_2.png) [@not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/not_what_you_d_expect)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2023, 2:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/4932 "2023-12-27T14:19:03Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > Related to Jan 6 insurrection: > > (Searching for a link that isn’t paywalled…) > > [Proud Boy On House Arrest Disappears Before Capitol Riot Sentencing | HuffPost Latest News](https://www.huffpost.com/entry/proud-boy-on-house-arrest-disappears-before-jan-6-sentencing_n_64df9534e4b00205f64716aa) > > Ya don’t say. Who’d a thunk that a patriot would flee the long arm of the law? > > Of note: > > > A total of about 1,000 people have been charged with federal crimes related to the Jan. 6 riot. More than 600 of them have pleaded guilty or been convicted after trials decided by a jury or judge. Roughly 450 have been sentenced, with over half getting terms of imprisonment ranging from seven days to 10 years. There’s a current story out there about how this guy faked a drug overdose when he was recaptured. The story (only seen on twitter so far) claims that he maintained the lie for a 5 day hospital stay. I have questions. I have a lot of questions. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2023, 11:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/4933 "2023-12-27T23:22:19Z")
As will a Federal judge. ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2023, 11:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/4934 "2023-12-28T23:49:33Z")
This is interesting. A man named Samuel Lazar, who participated in the Jan 6th insurrection, [apparently had all records of his conviction sealed](https://apnews.com/article/capitol-riot-secret-sentencing-3c4ffcc5ebeaff6fd6aa279d0ce888ad), with any requests for information by the press rebuffed. It was a big mystery, which has now been solved: [He’s been cooperating with the Feds.](https://www.pennlive.com/nation-world/2023/12/jan-6-rioter-sentenced-in-secret-provided-information-to-authorities-court-papers-say.html) I wonder what he was telling them that required so much secrecy. He can’t have been the only guy who was helping them. ---
**Author:** ![Capn\_Carl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/838e76/32.png) [@Capn\_Carl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Capn_Carl)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2024, 1:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/4935 "2024-01-04T01:31:30Z")
I assume the secrecy was for his protection. ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2024, 12:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/4936 "2024-01-05T12:16:55Z")
Two small notes: Christopher Worrell, whose disappearance sparked a six-week manhunt just before being sentenced, has received 10 years. Not too shabby. [Former Proud Boy involved in Jan. 6 who went on the run sentenced to 10 years in prison - ABC News](https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/former-proud-boy-involved-jan-6-run-sentenced/story?id=106111247) And Harry Dunn, a former Capitol Police officer, is running for Congress. Good for him. [Harry Dunn, Capitol Police officer on Jan. 6, announces run for Congress - ABC News](https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/harry-dunn-capitol-police-officer-jan-6-announces/story?id=106106641) ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2024, 4:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/4937 "2024-01-05T16:33:31Z")
Not that he won’t try: [Why Trump can't use the 'idiot' defense other Jan. 6 defendants often do](https://www.aol.com/news/why-trump-cant-idiot-defense-120000426.html) ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2024, 4:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/4938 "2024-01-05T16:56:35Z")
“Of course he called himself a ‘very stable genius’, that’s the sort of thing an idiot would say.” That argument might be hard to refute. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2024, 5:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/4939 "2024-01-05T17:50:04Z")
Huh. The description of one of the Jan 6 defendants seems to fit the modern Republican voter to a tee: > “he does not have sufficient ability to independently manage the basic language and literacy demands of life in a complex society,” that he “lacks sufficient ability to make responsible decisions for himself,” , and that he is at high risk for “manipulation and being taken advantage of by others,” ---
**Author:** ![Peter\_Morris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/peter_morris/32/359_2.png) [@Peter\_Morris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Peter_Morris)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2024, 1:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/4940 "2024-01-07T01:54:08Z")
Three years after the death of Capitol rioter Ashli Babbitt, her family has initiated a lawsuit for $30M claiming wrongful death. I think this warrants a separate thread > [@Ashli Babbitt's family sues for wrongful death](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ashli-babbitts-family-sues-for-wrongful-death/995722): > > Three years after the death of Capitol rioter Ashli Babbitt, her family has initiated a lawsuit for $30M claiming wrongful death. I don’t think this has a chance in a million of success. IANAL, but I understand there is a basic principle of law that says you can’t sue if you suffer an injury while committing a wrongful act. In the law of [tort](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tort), the principle would prevent a criminal from bringing a claim against (for example) a fellow criminal. In [National Coal Board v England](https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=National_Coal_Board_v_England&action=edit&redlink=1),[[5]](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ex_turpi_causa_non_oritur_actio#cite_note-5) [Lord A…](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyril_Asquith,_Baron_Asquith_of_Bishopstone) ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2024, 1:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/4941 "2024-01-07T01:56:39Z")
‘Stop, or I’ll shoot!’ ‘I’m not stopping!’ [Shoots] Sadly, she didn’t understand that Reality™ isn’t an Action movie. ---
**Author:** ![snowthx](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowthx/32/10660_2.png) [@snowthx](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snowthx)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2024, 3:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/4942 "2024-01-07T03:01:48Z")
“B-b-but, she really believed she was in the right!” ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2024, 3:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/4943 "2024-01-07T03:13:23Z")
Well… She was stupid. ---
**Author:** ![Riemann](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/riemann/32/3133_2.png) [@Riemann](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Riemann)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2024, 3:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/4944 "2024-01-07T03:23:40Z")
Poor girl didn’t deserve to get shot, it’s not as though she was insurrecting while Black. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2024, 3:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/4945 "2024-01-07T03:35:06Z")
If there’s a legitimate claim to be made, shouldn’t it be against the America-hating fuckstick? ---
**Author:** ![Peter\_Morris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/peter_morris/32/359_2.png) [@Peter\_Morris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Peter_Morris)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2024, 4:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/4946 "2024-01-07T04:13:59Z")
To be clear, I’ve started a separate thread for discussing it. You might like to post any further comments there. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2024, 4:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/4947 "2024-01-07T04:23:10Z")
Link? ---
**Author:** ![Peter\_Morris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/peter_morris/32/359_2.png) [@Peter\_Morris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Peter_Morris)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2024, 4:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/4948 "2024-01-07T04:24:48Z")
It’s in my previous post. ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2024, 10:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/4949 "2024-01-07T10:21:42Z")
The FBI got a three-fer over the weekend. Kind of them to group up like that, makes things easier. > **[Multiple Jan. 6 fugitives arrested at Florida ranch 3 years after Capitol...](https://abcnews.go.com/US/jan-6-fugitives-arrested-florida-ranch/story?id=106156662)** > > The fugitives include a Jan. 6 suspect who has been sought ever since the 2021 U.S. Capitol attack and two others who never showed up for trial, court records show. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2024, 11:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/4950 "2024-01-07T11:53:27Z")
> [@Love\_Rhombus](#): > > The FBI got a three-fer over the weekend. The Three MAGAteers! All for Trump and Trump for himself! [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020.md?page=246) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020.md?page=248)