# 7 Jan 2021 and beyond - the aftermath of the storming of the Capitol **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [January 8, 2021, 10:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020 "2021-01-08T10:28:28Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 256
**Author:** ![susan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/susan/32/17537_2.png) [@susan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/susan)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2024, 7:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/5111 "2024-08-26T19:06:30Z")
> [@Jihi](#): > > She was in the middle of an attempted coup. …and with Chuck Schumer, on the phone attempting to activate assistance. I see her as feeling remorse that she didn’t anticipate and head off an unprecedented attack (which she might not have been able to do anyway, since she can’t call up the Guard), not that she’s agreeing it was her responsibility to safeguard the process. ---
**Author:** ![SuntanLotion](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suntanlotion/32/16165_2.png) [@SuntanLotion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SuntanLotion)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2024, 7:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/5112 "2024-08-26T19:11:51Z")
Didn’t Pence finally call for the Guard? ---
**Author:** ![Jihi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jihi/32/17768_2.png) [@Jihi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jihi)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2024, 7:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/5113 "2024-08-26T19:13:22Z")
Exactly. It’s certainly possible to game out scenarios, but how do you truly prepare for something that’s never happened before? I’m reminded of the old Truman saying? “The buck stops here?” (I think that was Truman) That is the bare minimum we should be holding presidents to. Trump is the exact opposite, the buck NEVER stops with him. There’s always someone else he’s going to try to shift the blame on to. ---
**Author:** ![Shoeless](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shoeless/32/7099_2.png) [@Shoeless](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shoeless)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2024, 7:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/5114 "2024-08-26T19:15:59Z")
Well that’s not exactly true… the buck stops with Trump if it’s going in his pocket. ---
**Author:** ![Jihi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jihi/32/17768_2.png) [@Jihi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jihi)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2024, 7:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/5115 "2024-08-26T19:21:15Z")
> [@SuntanLotion](#): > > Didn’t Pence finally call for the Guard? Yep. > **[Pence — not Trump — asked Guard troops to help defend Capitol on Jan. 6,...](https://www.militarytimes.com/news/pentagon-congress/2022/06/10/pence-not-trump-asked-guard-troops-to-help-defend-capitol-on-jan-6-panel-says/)** > > The accusation was among multiple findings from the panel charged with investigating the lead-up and response to the attempted insurrection. > The statements were backed up with testimony from J[oint Chiefs Chairman Gen. Mark Milley](https://www.militarytimes.com/news/pentagon-congress/2021/09/15/lawmakers-call-for-milleys-resignation-after-report-he-worked-to-undermine-trumps-military-authority/), who said that Pence told Pentagon leaders to “get the Guard down here, put down this situation.” > In contrast, Milley said, Trump Chief of Staff Mark Meadows told Milley that military officials needed to “kill the narrative that the Vice President is making all the decisions” and worked against sending personnel to help with the escalating situation. So not only did Trump not deploy the national guard, his administration actively tried to interfere with getting it deployed. Pence stepped in because there was literally no one else with the authority that could do that. I hate to put it this way but Pence was the real president on January 6th. Trump had completely abandoned his responsibilities. (I know, big surprise right?) ---
**Author:** ![Railer13](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/railer13/32/9742_2.png) [@Railer13](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Railer13)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2024, 11:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/5116 "2024-08-28T11:58:06Z")
First clown to enter the capitol on 1/6 has been sentenced. > **[Jan. 6 Rioter Who First Breached The Capitol Building Gets More Than 4 Years...](https://www.huffpost.com/entry/first-jan-6-rioter-enter-capitol-sentenced_n_66ce8747e4b02e951604e1de?utm_source=cordial&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=hp-us-reg-morning-email_2024-08-28&utm_term=us-morning-email&email_hash=d35c5a397d502580201f8e31f42bed2ab2db7f68)** > > Michael Sparks was sentenced after being found guilty of obstruction of an official proceeding, civil disorder and several misdemeanor offenses. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2024, 5:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/5117 "2024-08-28T17:36:44Z")
> [@Jihi](#): > > Could Pelosi have done more? Maybe. She did not have the authority to deploy the National Guard. Was she involved in how advance plans were made wrt the placement of the Capitol Police, and if so, when were such decisions made and could she have asked that the NG be made available to supplement them (not that any such request was ever likely to bear fruit, given that the America-hating fuckstick would have had to sign off on it)? ---
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2024, 5:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/5118 "2024-08-28T17:46:10Z")
Regardless of her actual ability to influence the defenses, the argument your friend is advancing is a logical fallacy. Pelosi is using “responsible” in a completely different meaning than your friend is when he says “Pelosi was responsible for the violence, not Trump.” ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2024, 5:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/5119 "2024-08-28T17:48:46Z")
**Superdude** ’s friend, I think. ---
**Author:** ![Si\_Amigo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/si_amigo/32/2877_2.png) [@Si\_Amigo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Si_Amigo)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2024, 5:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/5120 "2024-08-28T17:59:06Z")
> [@kaylasdad99](#): > > he did not have the authority to deploy the National Guard. Could they have deployed more police? Could the fire department been called to hose down the rioters? Being sprayed with water in early Janaury has to be an unpleasant experiance. Sorry, but this may be a hijack now that I think about it. If anyone is interested lets start another thread or direct me an existing one please. ---
**Author:** ![Jihi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jihi/32/17768_2.png) [@Jihi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jihi)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2024, 11:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/5121 "2024-08-28T23:52:51Z")
> [@kaylasdad99](#): > > She did not have the authority to deploy the National Guard. Right. Just to clarify my previous post where I said “maybe”. Pelosi herself, in that clip, seems to think that there was possibly something else she could have done to prevent what was happening at the time. That’s a very reasonable response to such a chaotic situation, and I was trying to allow for her own statement. I’m not personally convinced she could. And I don’t know what sort of authority she may or may not have had over the capital police. That said, my greater point of course was that she was in the middle of an attempted coup/insurrection. Donald Trump was sitting in the White House eating big macs. The idea that Pelosi had some kind of greater responsibility here is insane. ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2024, 1:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/5122 "2024-08-30T13:16:36Z")
> [@Si\_Amigo](#): > > Could the fire department been called to hose down the rioters? Being sprayed with water in early Janaury has to be an unpleasant experiance. I’ve often thought of that. On the other hand, these people where so full of hate and ignorance it may not have mattered. Worth a shot though. The Grounds must have a sprinkler system, right? turn it on. It may require that that the big impact sprinklers be moved one by one. The get ‘plugged’ into the ground. If so, I would revise that with the ability to add an irritant. Nothing too serious. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2024, 2:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/5123 "2024-09-05T02:19:09Z")
There are a lot of threads I can post this in, but I felt it was most appropriate here: > Actual article here: > **[Trump admits he lost 2020 election ‘by a whisker’ during Lex Fridman podcast](https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-lex-fridman-podcast-interview-b2606533.html)** > > Trump repeats false claims about voter fraud as he concedes 2020 loss in podcast interview Video of Trump admitting he lost by a whisker is embedded in article. ---
**Author:** ![ParallelLines](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/parallellines/32/3575_2.png) [@ParallelLines](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ParallelLines)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2024, 2:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/5124 "2024-09-05T02:45:13Z")
So, is that _evidence_ that he knew he lost, and therefore wasn’t talking about material he believed (in error) correct, but was in fact 100% knowingly, inciting a insurrection? (specific to this thread) Otherwise, that sure seems like he’s just torpedoed a _bunch_ of his defenses in other cases as well. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2024, 3:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/5125 "2024-09-05T03:26:06Z")
> [@ParallelLines](#): > > So, is that _evidence_ that he knew he lost, and therefore wasn’t talking about material he believed (in error) correct, but was in fact 100% knowingly, inciting a insurrection? (specific to this thread) I guess it depends on _when_ he knew he lost, though I believe the Jan 6 Committee put out a lot of evidence that he knew shortly after the election that he’d lost. ---
**Author:** ![Si\_Amigo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/si_amigo/32/2877_2.png) [@Si\_Amigo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Si_Amigo)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2024, 10:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/5126 "2024-09-05T10:42:21Z")
Its another nail in his big fat coffin. Prosecutors will definitely use his many statements against him. ---
**Author:** ![PatrickLondon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/patricklondon/32/4422_2.png) [@PatrickLondon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PatrickLondon)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2024, 6:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/5127 "2024-09-06T06:46:39Z")
His grudging admission seems, not surprisingly, to have upset some of his past supporters… > **[What Is Even Left of MAGA?](https://rumble.com/v5dobot-what-is-even-left-of-maga.html?e9s=src_v1_ucp)** > > Follow Nicholas J. Fuentes: Twitter: https://x.com/nickjfuentes Telegram: https://t.me/nickjfuentes ORDER NEW MERCH HERE: https://americafirststore.net Watch the show on Cozy: https://cozy.tv/nick Fol > **[Trump admits he lost in 2020, leading white nationalist Nick Fuentes to...](https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2024/09/05/trump-admits-lost-2020-enrages-supporters/75086053007/)** > > Trump quietly admits he lost 2020, enrages supporters ---
**Author:** ![Hypno-Toad](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/b2d939/32.png) [@Hypno-Toad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hypno-Toad)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2024, 12:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/5128 "2024-09-06T12:37:40Z")
I thought EVEYTHING was left of MAGA. ---
**Author:** ![not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/not_what_you_d_expect/32/3246_2.png) [@not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/not_what_you_d_expect)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2024, 1:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/5129 "2024-09-06T13:33:39Z")
Good one! ---
**Author:** ![MulderMuffin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muldermuffin/32/2862_2.png) [@MulderMuffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MulderMuffin)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2024, 1:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/5130 "2024-09-06T13:57:31Z")
A great quote from the above linked USA Today article: > “So, why did we do Stop the Steal? Why did did anyone go to Jan. 6? Why did any one go to jail? … It would have been good to know that before 1,600 people got charged,” Fuentes said [**on his podcast**](https://rumble.com/v5dobot-what-is-even-left-of-maga.html?e9s=src_v1_ucp) Is it possible that disillusionment might finally be poking the tiniest of holes through the cult’s veil of lies? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020.md?page=255) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020.md?page=257)