# 7 Jan 2021 and beyond - the aftermath of the storming of the Capitol **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [January 8, 2021, 10:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020 "2021-01-08T10:28:28Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 259
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2024, 9:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/5171 "2024-10-03T21:31:54Z")
The best part was when the prosecutor was like “you forgot to sentence her on count 6!”, and the judge was like, “Oh, yeah, lol, that’s another 15 months, lolol.” It’s awesome to see these vote thieves get metaphorically strung up. ---
**Author:** ![ParallelLines](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/parallellines/32/3575_2.png) [@ParallelLines](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ParallelLines)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2024, 9:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/5172 "2024-10-03T21:31:55Z")
Well, to be fair, it’s mostly the True Believers ™ that are getting hammered. You know, the ones that are getting caught breaking the law outside deeply protected State and Federal government members. You know. The little people. If you’re grifting big time, but barely squeaking within the letter of the law, or riding your MAGA waves into positions far beyond your ability and skills, it’s a hugely winning approach. And of course, the people voting for Trump/MAGA see most of this as proof positive that the They is real and out to get them, so push even harder. It’s the inability (thanks SC(r)OTUS! says I with much Sarcasm) to hold those closer to the top accountable that is making it ever so much worse. ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2024, 11:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/5173 "2024-10-03T23:49:52Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > The best part was when the prosecutor was like “you forgot to sentence her on count 6!”, and the judge was like, “Oh, yeah, lol, that’s another 15 months, lolol.” Where was that part? I wasn’t disbelieving you, I just didn’t read that in the article. ---
**Author:** ![DavidNRockies](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidnrockies/32/6279_2.png) [@DavidNRockies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidNRockies)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2024, 11:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/5174 "2024-10-03T23:49:58Z")
Another judge cutting _straight through_ all the bullshit – MAGA insanity and indefatigable gaslighting notwithstanding. From the linked article: > [@](#): > > “Your lies are well documented, and these convictions are serious,” District Judge Matthews Barrett said. “I’m convinced you would do it all over again if you could. You’re as defiant as a defendant as this Court has never seen.” > > “There are many things in my mind that are crystal clear about this case, you are no hero,” Barrett added. “You abused your position, and you’re a charlatan who used and is still using your prior position in office to peddle a snake oil that’s been proven to be junk, time and time again.” > > Barrett called the damage done by Peters to undermine the integrity of elections “immeasurable.” All but Aileen Cannon know the score. ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2024, 12:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/5175 "2024-10-04T00:06:59Z")
That’s a very unhappy judge. Countdown until Trump mentions her. ---
**Author:** ![DavidNRockies](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidnrockies/32/6279_2.png) [@DavidNRockies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidNRockies)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2024, 12:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/5176 "2024-10-04T00:17:45Z")
Aside from the insane number of threats that judges and their families have gotten because of Trump/MAGA, there’s also the metaphysical certainty that many of these jurists are _deeply proud of and committed to_ the institutions they represent and the roles they serve. And none more demagogic and iconoclastic than Trump has done everything in his power to weaken, neuter, undermine, and sow distrust _in_ the institutions that – in sum – represent our democracy. Because … authoritarianism. I like the judges who don’t put a whole lot of effort into disguising their contempt and righteous indignation when facing these pieces of shit who threaten to do them, their profession, and the foundational elements of our democracy such profound harm 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2024, 12:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/5177 "2024-10-04T00:20:10Z")
> [@Love\_Rhombus](#): > > Where was that part? I wasn’t disbelieving you, I just didn’t read that in the article. > ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2024, 12:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/5178 "2024-10-04T00:32:43Z")
> [@Love\_Rhombus](#): > > Where was that part? I wasn’t disbelieving you, I just didn’t read that in the article. Heck, I missed the whole video link in this thread! 😛 (Still haven’t seen it.) So I did a search. It’s at the 19:30 point of [this video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uXqkOM5Vbbw). ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2024, 12:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/5179 "2024-10-04T00:38:36Z")
And her lawyer did not seem prepared. ---
**Author:** ![Si\_Amigo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/si_amigo/32/2877_2.png) [@Si\_Amigo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Si_Amigo)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2024, 12:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/5180 "2024-10-04T00:59:08Z")
How do you prepare for being slammed to the mat? ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2024, 3:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/5181 "2024-10-04T03:33:34Z")
A lawyer for a MAGA type, not ready for court? That’s unpossible! ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2024, 3:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/5182 "2024-10-04T03:59:13Z")
> [@DavidNRockies](#): > > Aside from the insane number of threats that judges and their families have gotten because of Trump/MAGA, there’s also the metaphysical certainty that many of these jurists are _deeply proud of and committed to_ the institutions they represent and the roles they serve. You **can’t** just do whatever you want without consequences. Otherwise people would have done it before. They’re gonna find out what happens. ---
**Author:** ![psychonaut](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/psychonaut/32/4655_2.png) [@psychonaut](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/psychonaut)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2024, 4:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/5183 "2024-10-04T04:07:22Z")
> [@rocking\_chair](#): > > Former Mesa County clerk Tina Peters was sentenced to nine years in prison for leading a security breach of the [county’s election system](https://abcnews.go.com/US/colorado-voting-officials-adopt-safety-measures-state-target/story?id=84546801) after being inspired by false and baseless claims of voting fraud. > > Peters was convicted for giving an individual affiliated with MyPillow CEO [Mike Lindell](https://abcnews.go.com/US/voting-machine-company-sues-pro-trump-pillow-man/story?id=76043949), an ally of former President Donald Trump, access to the election software she used for her county. Screenshots of the software appeared on right-wing websites. If this summary is true, then this is deeply disturbing. An open and democratic electoral system should not rely on proprietary software that the public is not allowed to scrutinize, and any such software that can be subverted simply by having access to the source code was never secure to begin with. If there was any “security breach” here, surely it was on the part of the vendor and the government for providing and purchasing such a fragile system. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2024, 4:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/5184 "2024-10-04T04:16:40Z")
> [@psychonaut](#): > > If this summary is true, then this is deeply disturbing. She didn’t even hide what she did. She was proud of it. She thought she was being a hero and was going to save the country. And so she thought she was not only justified, but acting righteously. She went on one of Mike Lindell’s freaking telethons and confessed her crimes for crying out loud. I do IT for state government. I have access to extremely sensitive info too and I don’t take what I do lightly. People have to trust me or I can’t do my job. We need to have people in government we can trust or things will go wrong. You just can’t be totally protected from bad actors. That’s why what she did was so heinous. ---
**Author:** ![psychonaut](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/psychonaut/32/4655_2.png) [@psychonaut](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/psychonaut)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2024, 4:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/5185 "2024-10-04T04:19:49Z")
> [@Atamasama](#): > > She didn’t even hide what she did. She was proud of it. She thought she was being a hero If _all_ she did was publish source code that ought to have been public to begin with, then I’m proud of what she did too, though I probably disagree with her political views. > I do IT for state government. I have access to extremely sensitive info too and I don’t take what I do lightly. The source code for voting software should never be considered “extremely sensitive info”. It should be something any voter can review so that they can, if they wish, satisfy themselves that votes are being counted fairly. > We need to have people in government we can trust or things will go wrong. Yes, but the people the government employs to count votes do not fall into this category; this is why democratic countries invite observers to the count. The same argument should hold when it’s a machine that does the counting. ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2024, 4:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/5186 "2024-10-04T04:55:43Z")
> [@psychonaut](#): > > The source code for voting software should never be considered “extremely sensitive info”. It should be something any voter can review so that they can, if they wish, satisfy themselves that votes are being counted fairly. I don’t know if I’d go that far, but I do agree that there’s a lot about how electronic balloting has been implemented in various jurisdictions in the US that’s pretty hinky, and a lot of room for improvement. But a detailed discussion on that topic might be best suited for another thread. In the context of _this_ thread, what she did is not just firmly against the law, it’s _far_ outside the boundaries of what’s reasonable for election transparency, and she deserves every one of those nine years. ---
**Author:** ![not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/not_what_you_d_expect/32/3246_2.png) [@not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/not_what_you_d_expect)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2024, 5:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/5187 "2024-10-04T05:12:38Z")
She gave the information to Mike Lindell, an ally of trump. She didn’t give it to Joe Biden. I don’t know if that counts as publishing the source code. ---
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2024, 5:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/5188 "2024-10-04T05:39:52Z")
> [@psychonaut](#): > > If _all_ she did was publish source code that ought to have been public to begin with, then I’m proud of what she did too, though I probably disagree with her political views. > [@](#): > > The source code for voting software should never be considered “extremely sensitive info”. It should be something any voter can review so that they can, if they wish, satisfy themselves that votes are being counted fairly. I’d like to reply to these, but it seems a probable hijack. Is there a better thread to discuss open source code for voting machines? ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2024, 6:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/5189 "2024-10-04T06:24:05Z")
> [@Robot\_Arm](#): > > Is there a better thread The most recent discussion appears to be this one: > [@Voting Machines in Eastern PA malfunction, flip votes for judges](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/voting-machines-in-eastern-pa-malfunction-flip-votes-for-judges/992820): > > It’s been established that this was a localized glitch with the machines that was quickly caught and a solution created, but I can see it being used as fodder for more challenges down the road. Just thought people might want to know in case it does become a bigger issue, given that the GOP likes to grab onto any discrepancy that offers evidence of a “rigged election.” It starts out in the context of a specific election but rather quickly shifts into an examination of electronic voting in general. It didn’t last very long, though, so it’s not much of a conversational archive. Definitely better than this thread as a home for further consideration, though, I think. ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2024, 1:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/5190 "2024-10-04T13:25:03Z")
> [@Atamasama](#): > > I do IT for state government. I have access to extremely sensitive info too and I don’t take what I do lightly. People have to trust me or I can’t do my job. We need to have people in government we can trust or things will go wrong County Government GIS here. Years ago a sys admin was pulled over for a DUI. He threatened the cop “I could delete all your data, all your files” When he came to work the next day, he did not find a computer. He found an empty box on his desk “Get you shit and get out of here”. All credentials to sensitive info was changed immediately. We also take it very, very seriously. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020.md?page=258) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020.md?page=260)